I thought it might be of some fun to let the group know where any of us are posting on the net on vegetarian humanist stuff.
I try to keep an eye on the blogs and news dealing with the subject but most of it is not complete or well written enough to warrant posting on our site, but some of it can be fun to join in with. Here is one that caught my eye today:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" <step...@makessense.co.uk> To: <vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 3:03 AM Subject: NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD MAKES MUSLIMS VIOLENT
> Hi guys,
> I thought it might be of some fun to let the group know where any of us > are posting on the net on vegetarian humanist stuff.
> I try to keep an eye on the blogs and news dealing with the subject but > most of it is not complete or well written enough to warrant posting on > our site, but some of it can be fun to join in with. Here is one that > caught my eye today:
> I thought it might be of some fun to let the group know where any of us
> are posting on the net on vegetarian humanist stuff.
> I try to keep an eye on the blogs and news dealing with the subject but
> most of it is not complete or well written enough to warrant posting on
> our site,
HMurphy wrote: > Why does Darwin have a fish for a symbol?
It is the Christians that have the fish symbol - they put them on the back of their cars. Perhaps it means - beware a person with irrational thoughts is driving this car.
Oh yes. No its just that at the Humanist AGM a long standing Humanist was wearing a fish badge he was talking to a friend of mine and I caught him saying that he hopes people do not take it that he is a Christian because of this fish badge but I didn't see it very clearly - the badge I mean.. Of course some people go fishing but that wasn't the explanation as far as I could tell. It is also used by the gay community but not as a badge although with all the reclaiming of insulting names at one time its a wonder! But I can see it would be used ironically.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" <step...@makessense.co.uk> To: <vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Re: NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD MAKES MUSLIMS VIOLENT
> HMurphy wrote: > > Why does Darwin have a fish for a symbol?
> It is the Christians that have the fish symbol - they put them on the > back of their cars. Perhaps it means - beware a person with irrational > thoughts is driving this car.
> On 28 Dec, 06:03, Stephen <step...@makessense.co.uk> wrote: > > I thought it might be of some fun to let the group know where any of us > > are posting on the net on vegetarian humanist stuff.
> > I try to keep an eye on the blogs and news dealing with the subject but > > most of it is not complete or well written enough to warrant posting on > > our site,
> On 28 Dec, 06:03, Stephen <step...@makessense.co.uk> wrote: > > I thought it might be of some fun to let the group know where any of us > > are posting on the net on vegetarian humanist stuff.
> > I try to keep an eye on the blogs and news dealing with the subject but > > most of it is not complete or well written enough to warrant posting on > > our site,
I don't want to cause an argument but personally I really do shy away from deliberately annoying Christians (maybe the really fundamentalist types sometimes when they go on and on, and then I will argue, but they are not the majority thankfully). If I find that if we have something in common, either vegetarianism or veganism or if we share another strong belief for the betterment of this life for animals or people, then I can get on with some Christians and our differences can be put aside because many of them are actually very nice people and do care about some of the same issues as I care about. I am almost certainly a humanist but do not want to let this get in the way of cooperating with people who are like-minded in some ways.
I like the idea of the "O Project" http://www.oproject.co.uk/ What do people here think of this? It seems they want cooperation between Christians and Humanists for a change, I like that, the idealist in me likes that very much.
I would also like to get more involved in some human causes that are almost entirely Christian-led, in particular pro-life and especially befriending women in crisis pregnancy, but I have unfortunately found that as an openly "out" Bright/atheist/humanist there are many groups that do this type of work where they cannot welcome me to help because they only welcome those who share their faith (Care groups more than Life groups have this attitude, and my most local one is a Care group while the nearest Life group do not have befriending type support set up). This is quite frustrating for me because it is an area where I really want to help! I even contemplated lying and pretending I was a Christian just to get accepted to help on the practical side, if it helped women so they did not feel desperate enough to abort their unborn babies! However I am not a good or convincing liar so decided against that strategy pretty quickly, I just knew it was doomed to fail.
I am personally committed to reverence for life largely BECAUSE I believe this life is all we get (and same applies to other sentient species). My non-belief in anything supernatural or godly is completely at the heart of my vegan and also at the heart of my pro-life beliefs, and therefore is a positive belief in THIS life, and now my kids are in school I have a bit more time to do more for others.
I am in contact with Feminists for Life and also the Atheist and Agnostic Pro-life League, but they cannot help me to get involved in a "real-life" way in the cause I care about, as they are US-based groups and all their active ppl are so few and far between.
I am quite involved in veggie and vegan groups, both social and occasionally activist, and as a humanist I do not find that I need any help or advice on that, it is not really an issue as many seem not to be religious people within the movement, and those who are I can usually get on with OK, but if anyone can advise on getting on better with Christians and convincing them I am genuinely committed to some of their causes, especially prevention of abortion, please advise away as I am listening!
I do not want to get into an abortion debate with those many humanists who disagree with me on the political side, but if anyone can help me to get involved in the practical and caring side while remaining a humanist, I would like to hear from you. I am not looking to get involved in protests outside abortion clinics, I know that is not the place for me. But those women who want to choose life but need support, those are the ones I would like to help, just as I would like to do by bit to save animals.
Please mail me off-list if you prefer, that is fine with me.
[mailto:vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of HMurphy Sent: 02 January 2008 05:45 To: vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD MAKES MUSLIMS VIOLENT
Oh yes. No its just that at the Humanist AGM a long standing Humanist was wearing a fish badge he was talking to a friend of mine and I caught him saying that he hopes people do not take it that he is a Christian because of this fish badge but I didn't see it very clearly - the badge I mean.. Of course some people go fishing but that wasn't the explanation as far as I could tell. It is also used by the gay community but not as a badge although with all the reclaiming of insulting names at one time its a wonder! But I can see it would be used ironically.
Happy New Year
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen" <step...@makessense.co.uk> To: <vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Re: NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD MAKES MUSLIMS VIOLENT
> HMurphy wrote: > > Why does Darwin have a fish for a symbol?
> It is the Christians that have the fish symbol - they put them on the > back of their cars. Perhaps it means - beware a person with irrational > thoughts is driving this car.
HMurphy wrote: > Oh yes. No its just that at the Humanist AGM a long standing Humanist was > wearing a fish badge he was talking to a friend of mine and I caught him > saying that he hopes people do not take it that he is a Christian because of > this fish badge but I didn't see it very clearly - the badge I mean.. Of > course some people go fishing but that wasn't the explanation as far as I > could tell. > It is also used by the gay community but not as a badge > although with all the reclaiming of insulting names at one time its a > wonder!
Is that not a ribbon that is shaped like a fish but pointing upwards? This maybe: http://www.redribbon.net/
> But I can see it would be used ironically.
As veggies, perhaps we should take the Darwin Fish symbol and morph it for our own purposes, e.g.
depict it some way that explains that fish feel pain, or, replace the fish with a carrot with legs - "vegetarians don't eat fish" ....
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen" <step...@makessense.co.uk> > To: <vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD MAKES MUSLIMS VIOLENT
>> HMurphy wrote:
>>> Why does Darwin have a fish for a symbol?
>> It is the Christians that have the fish symbol - they put them on the >> back of their cars. Perhaps it means - beware a person with irrational >> thoughts is driving this car.
Perhaps you could go in for a Community work course which is fairly secular then you could possibly help in this way. Or perhaps a Women's Aid group. Now I know Women's Aid in the past have tended to support pro-abortion organisations but their real work is to support women and I know a pro-abortion group who counselled a pregnant woman and the outcome came about that she decided to keep the child with the support and blessing of the pro-abortionists. Another way would be through the medical profession but that is a bit clinical of course. Hope you get on okay. I think with some Christian groups they are unaccepting but others may not be so bad if you stick to your guns. Another option would be to start your own group but as you say there are some secular groups which you feel are appropriate.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Dove" <Les...@vegan4life.org.uk> To: <vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:30 AM Subject: RE: NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD MAKES MUSLIMS VIOLENT
> I don't want to cause an argument but personally I really do shy away from > deliberately annoying Christians (maybe the really fundamentalist types > sometimes when they go on and on, and then I will argue, but they are not > the majority thankfully). If I find that if we have something in common, > either vegetarianism or veganism or if we share another strong belief for > the betterment of this life for animals or people, then I can get on with > some Christians and our differences can be put aside because many of them > are actually very nice people and do care about some of the same issues as I > care about. I am almost certainly a humanist but do not want to let this get > in the way of cooperating with people who are like-minded in some ways.
> I like the idea of the "O Project" http://www.oproject.co.uk/ > What do people here think of this? It seems they want cooperation between > Christians and Humanists for a change, I like that, the idealist in me likes > that very much.
> I would also like to get more involved in some human causes that are almost > entirely Christian-led, in particular pro-life and especially befriending > women in crisis pregnancy, but I have unfortunately found that as an openly > "out" Bright/atheist/humanist there are many groups that do this type of > work where they cannot welcome me to help because they only welcome those > who share their faith (Care groups more than Life groups have this attitude, > and my most local one is a Care group while the nearest Life group do not > have befriending type support set up). This is quite frustrating for me > because it is an area where I really want to help! I even contemplated lying > and pretending I was a Christian just to get accepted to help on the > practical side, if it helped women so they did not feel desperate enough to > abort their unborn babies! However I am not a good or convincing liar so > decided against that strategy pretty quickly, I just knew it was doomed to > fail.
> I am personally committed to reverence for life largely BECAUSE I believe > this life is all we get (and same applies to other sentient species). My > non-belief in anything supernatural or godly is completely at the heart of > my vegan and also at the heart of my pro-life beliefs, and therefore is a > positive belief in THIS life, and now my kids are in school I have a bit > more time to do more for others.
> I am in contact with Feminists for Life and also the Atheist and Agnostic > Pro-life League, but they cannot help me to get involved in a "real-life" > way in the cause I care about, as they are US-based groups and all their > active ppl are so few and far between.
> I am quite involved in veggie and vegan groups, both social and occasionally > activist, and as a humanist I do not find that I need any help or advice on > that, it is not really an issue as many seem not to be religious people > within the movement, and those who are I can usually get on with OK, but if > anyone can advise on getting on better with Christians and convincing them I > am genuinely committed to some of their causes, especially prevention of > abortion, please advise away as I am listening!
> I do not want to get into an abortion debate with those many humanists who > disagree with me on the political side, but if anyone can help me to get > involved in the practical and caring side while remaining a humanist, I > would like to hear from you. I am not looking to get involved in protests > outside abortion clinics, I know that is not the place for me. But those > women who want to choose life but need support, those are the ones I would > like to help, just as I would like to do by bit to save animals.
> Please mail me off-list if you prefer, that is fine with me.
> Love and liberation, > Lesley
> -----Original Message----- > From: vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com > [mailto:vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of HMurphy > Sent: 02 January 2008 05:45 > To: vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD MAKES MUSLIMS VIOLENT
> Oh yes. No its just that at the Humanist AGM a long standing Humanist was > wearing a fish badge he was talking to a friend of mine and I caught him > saying that he hopes people do not take it that he is a Christian because of > this fish badge but I didn't see it very clearly - the badge I mean.. Of > course some people go fishing but that wasn't the explanation as far as I > could tell. It is also used by the gay community but not as a badge > although with all the reclaiming of insulting names at one time its a > wonder! But I can see it would be used ironically.
> Happy New Year
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen" <step...@makessense.co.uk> > To: <vegetarian-humanist-group@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: NON-VEGETARIAN FOOD MAKES MUSLIMS VIOLENT
> > HMurphy wrote: > > > Why does Darwin have a fish for a symbol?
> > It is the Christians that have the fish symbol - they put them on the > > back of their cars. Perhaps it means - beware a person with irrational > > thoughts is driving this car.
