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Swamiji  
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 More options 13 Jun, 00:11
From: Swamiji <manavatav...@lycos.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:11:09 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri 13 Jun 2008 00:11
Subject: A Comment on Vegetarian Humanist Group Message
Though the Arabic Ethnic Word 'Hindu' was an attempt to make it a
religion during 14th to 16th centuries AD during the Islamic reign
in 'BHARAT' for which the Europian Word 'INDIA' is widely dominated
all over, for this land's identity related to a border making river
called as 'SINDHU' by the people dwelled on this land and had been
called as 'AAB E HINDU' by Afghans and Arabs and as 'River Indus' by
the Europians. The priestly people (Brahmin or Purohitas) who had
been diminished their status from 'Voluntary Teachers of Ethics to
all People' finding a religion as a right place for them to rule
over the minds and emotions of lay people, the unconscious captives
of the religious beliefs may never have the scope to reason out the
realities, facts and the Truth Prepetuation. There had been no
religion as Hindu Religion before the Muslim Reign. During 7th or
8th Century AD one Cult Leader a Fanatic Brahmin converted himself
as a Missionary Brahminism by mis-naming himself as 'SAMNYASI' also
wrongly added a prefix 'SANATANA' means 'perpetual' with the very
old word used by the thinkers there for 'FREETHINKING, RELATIVELY
UNIVERSAL HUMAN DUTIES, INNATE NATURE AND HUMAN VALUES' as 'DHARMA'
making it 'SANATANA-DHARMA' by making a very absurd meaning as both
the connecting words have almost similar meanings;
means 'perpetuating' just in an intention to dissociate the
BUDDHISTS and the JAINAS from the main stream of the society, who
also had been logically establishing their derivations to lead the
people to the state of 'DHARMA'; the word established by far more
ancient seers of the land as 'Universal Ethics'. So Acharya Shankara
with his scholarship in Sanskrit language misused the word 'DHARMA'
for a cult and subsequently it was converted to 'HINDU-DHARMA'
during the Islamic Reign in 'BHARAT' replacing the meaning
of 'DHARMA' as 'Universal Ethics' to 'MAZHAB or Religion'.

So in this way there is no HINDU-Religion or SANATANA-Religion.
These two trials don't have any Religious bases; like they don't
have a prophet and no message sent by any assumed or imposed
supernatural imp for the entire human beings either to accept or to
be killed by the believers. The VEDAS are not the messages of any
supernatural imp rather the thoughts and derivations of certain
Seers who were very polite to declare with a word "NA+ITI=NETI"
which mean not ended yet and requires more analysis and development;
does not sound as a religious commandment rather a humane and human
proposition admitting all possible corrections in the findings.

The people lived on this land including the Brahmins had never been
Vegetarians at their base. They were hunters and meat eaters even
there are many tales about their beaf eting.

This uncompassionate way of life was passively opposed by VARDHAMAN
MAHAVEERA who afterwards became known as JEENA means the person who
has overcome of or have enough regulations on his senses and sensory
organs and also on his emotions to reach at a equilibium state of
mental judgement being not or less effected by any type of biases or
prejudice. He born about a century before SIDDHARTHA GAUTAMA
latterer became known as the BUDDHA means the enlightened one.

So, after VARDHAMAN MAHAVEERA the JEENA; many people irrespective of
their beliefs, practices or styles of worship started becoming
VEGETARIANS.

So HINDU as a Rligion is a very new attempt of the diminished status
priests called as Brahmans with the help of the Muslim rulers of
that time couldn't become that much successful to make a religion
yet, but simply tried to adultrate some amount of religious
chareceristics of blind belief with the logical character of
the "DHARMA".

So VEGETARIANISM is not a HINDU Religious Character rather Ethical
valu assessment of the JEENAS the Jains which influenced all others
of the land. The Gujrat State was more efected by the JEENA and
there after the Sravakas or the dedicated practisers of his path.

Vegetarianism is not religious rather Ethical.

Cordially,
Swamiji


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 More options 15 Jun, 04:24
From: "HMurphy" <hmur...@etain.fsworld.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:24:12 -0700
Local: Sun 15 Jun 2008 04:24
Subject: Re: A Comment on Vegetarian Humanist Group Message
Thank you most interesting


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