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From: Rupert Candy <urptheb...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 03:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat 5 July 2008 11:36
Subject: Boris's New Routemaster competition
I'm quite surprised nobody's commented on this yet!
Not only is there a whole new section of the TfL site devoted to it I know Autocar magazine sponsored a design company (Capoco?) to come You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Tom Barry <il...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:08:15 +0100
Local: Sat 5 July 2008 12:08
Subject: Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition
Rupert Candy wrote: Bored? It's the only transport policy he's shown any interest in (I'm > I'm quite surprised nobody's commented on this yet! > Not only is there a whole new section of the TfL site devoted to it > I know Autocar magazine sponsored a design company (Capoco?) to come including the extra security on buses and tubes as a crime policy here). He's deadly serious, although buried yesterday was some sort of announcement that the first three bendy lines will go double-deck next year on contract re-award (the 38 was mentioned, anyone know the other two? Six lines have contracts expiring in 2009; 12, 25, 38, 73, 507, 521 - I'd like to see them try and operate the last two as single door entry double deckers). However, if the bendies do go at contract re-award it means the 436 and The Autocar proposal was about the same size as a normal double-decker I still think it's a total waste of everyone's time though - far more Tom You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Paul Corfield <aoo...@dsl.pipex.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:03:09 +0100
Local: Sat 5 July 2008 13:03
Subject: Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:08:15 +0100, Tom Barry <il...@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote: I wish he would come up with something that resembled a transport policy. I'm heartily fed up with this tokenistic tinkering. > He's deadly serious, although buried yesterday was some sort of I think they are referring to the 507 and 521 which are the earliest >announcement that the first three bendy lines will go double-deck next >year on contract re-award (the 38 was mentioned, anyone know the other >two? Six lines have contracts expiring in 2009; 12, 25, 38, 73, 507, >521 - I'd like to see them try and operate the last two as single door >entry double deckers). tranche in the "out to tender" list. The 25 and 73 have been awarded 2 year extensions to 2011. The 38 is definitely up for retender as I think the old crew contract was extended for 2 years to "finance" the conversion to bendy. TfL don't extend contracts beyond 7 years and always retender school, tendered gross contract and all cross boundary services after 5 years. Quite why on earth the sensible use of bendy buses on routes like the All we'll get are high density single decks on the former Red Arrows I think we'll just get conventional double decks on everything else I can't see operators wishing to buy a completely untried design for a 5 >However, if the bendies do go at contract re-award it means the 436 and And possibly through to 2015 if extensions are granted. >453 will still be bendy under the current contracts in 2013, having only >just been awarded this year. >The Autocar proposal was about the same size as a normal double-decker Precisely. The Borismaster is a waste of time and public money based on >but with a longer wheelbase, which presumably means it's actually *less* >maneouvrable. I'm not sure how serious it was meant to be, and in any >case it was hideous. >I still think it's a total waste of everyone's time though - far more a personal prejudice of the Mayor and an unhinged press campaign. And yes can we please have the go ahead for ELLX Phase 2 as soon as possible. -- Admits to working for London Underground! You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:24:22 GMT
Local: Sat 5 July 2008 13:24
Subject: Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:08:15 +0100, Tom Barry <il...@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote: > Six lines have contracts expiring in 2009; 12, 25, 38, 73, 507, Might the 507 and 521 work with Berlin-style 3-door full-length (12m?) >521 - I'd like to see them try and operate the last two as single door >entry double deckers). 3 axle deckers with stairs at both front and rear? I think that might have some potential. Single-entry buses of any kind are not a good way of shifting crowds. Neil -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Paul Corfield <aoo...@dsl.pipex.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:43:17 +0100
Local: Sat 5 July 2008 13:43
Subject: Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:24:22 GMT, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote: 13.7m IIRC. Buses of that length would not get round Horseferry Road or >On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:08:15 +0100, Tom Barry <il...@blueyonder.co.uk> >wrote: >> Six lines have contracts expiring in 2009; 12, 25, 38, 73, 507, >Might the 507 and 521 work with Berlin-style 3-door full-length (12m?) turn at Waterloo round to the garage area. I like the concept but it wouldn't work and I suspect the 4m height with its "squashed" upper deck ceiling would be very unpopular in the UK. >Single-entry buses of any kind are not a good way of shifting crowds. Agreed -- Admits to working for London Underground! You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Mr Thant <maha.thray.sithu.u.th...@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 05:49:26 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat 5 July 2008 13:49
Subject: Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition
On 5 Jul, 13:43, Paul Corfield <aoo...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> 13.7m IIRC. Buses of that length would not get round Horseferry Road or The design rules do allow a 13.5m maximum length and more than one > turn at Waterloo round to the garage area. staircase, so something similar could win. >I like the concept but it There's a 1.78m headroom requirement per deck. > wouldn't work and I suspect the 4m height with its "squashed" upper deck > ceiling would be very unpopular in the UK. U -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: MIG <googles...@doreenbird.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:22:52 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat 5 July 2008 23:22
Subject: Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition
On Jul 5, 1:24 pm, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams)
wrote: > On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:08:15 +0100, Tom Barry <il...@blueyonder.co.uk> Surely the need for single entry is to do with having to show > wrote: > > Six lines have contracts expiring in 2009; 12, 25, 38, 73, 507, > Might the 507 and 521 work with Berlin-style 3-door full-length (12m?) > Single-entry buses of any kind are not a good way of shifting crowds. something to the driver, and has nothing to do with the shape and flexibility of the bus. This requirement also results in people having to squeeze through the So presumably the competition ought to be to design something that You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Mike Hughes <m...@mikehughes.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:25:12 +0100
Local: Sun 6 July 2008 15:25
Subject: Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition
In message <qCIbk.233502$M63.144...@newsfe13.ams2>, Tom Barry
<il...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes >Rupert Candy wrote: Not quite. He recently went out late at night (think it was a Friday) in >> I'm quite surprised nobody's commented on this yet! >> Not only is there a whole new section of the TfL site devoted to it >> (http://tinyurl.com/5euecn), they've even produced detailed >> specifications for the 'serious' competition in proper house style. >> These look very businesslike and impressive, with the occasional bit >> of humour (Articulated design: No. Doors/Apertures: 1 open platform at >> nearside). It's at http://tinyurl.com/6gnvpt if anyone's interested. >> I know Autocar magazine sponsored a design company (Capoco?) to come >> up with a New Routemaster concept a while back - I wonder if they will >> enter it. Otherwise, I can't see any of the bus builders taking this >> as anything other than the humorous whim of a bored politician... >Bored? It's the only transport policy he's shown any interest in a taxi together with lady from a rape crisis (or something like it) unit and was shown the extant that the unlicensed touts were completely ignoring the law and potentially putting 'vulnerable' (i.e drunken hence the use of the commas!) women in danger. The best part of the story was that one minicab driver was seen Boris has promised to double the number of officers employed on specific -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:33:30 GMT
Local: Sun 6 July 2008 15:33
Subject: Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:25:12 +0100, Mike Hughes
<m...@mikehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote: Why can the general police not make some progress in enforcing this? >Boris has promised to double the number of officers employed on specific >enforcement from 34 to 68. I doubt if that will be enough but it is a >start. After all, a crime is, in my understanding, being committed. Neil -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:51:50 +0100
Local: Sun 6 July 2008 15:51
Subject: Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition
In message <4870d79b.762556...@news.individual.net>, at 14:33:30 on Sun,
6 Jul 2008, Neil Williams <wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk> remarked: >>Boris has promised to double the number of officers employed on specific It's common misconception that the "general police" enforce all >>enforcement from 34 to 68. I doubt if that will be enough but it is a >>start. >Why can the general police not make some progress in enforcing this? legislation. A desperately needed reform (IMHO) is that every Act of Parliament should state clearly which agency is expected to enforce its provisions. -- Roland Perry You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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