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Paul Scott  
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 More options 11 Mar 2007, 17:55
Newsgroups: uk.transport.london
From: "Paul Scott" <notvalidpmsc...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:55:40 -0000
Local: Sun 11 Mar 2007 17:55
Subject: Re: Photography underground

"Rick Blaine" <d...@bother.com> wrote in message

news:qn98v29unh23e5qg80gijqk3g8m7emkeq7@4ax.com...

> David of Broadway <david.of.broad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>Visitors from the NYPD, perhaps?

> Hardly. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/arts/filming/filming-faqs.asp

As noted earlier - those are only the rules for commercial filming and
photography - the problem is that the rules that do allow private
photography are not accessible from the website...

Paul


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Rick Blaine  
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 More options 11 Mar 2007, 18:14
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From: Rick Blaine <d...@bother.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:14:31 -0600
Local: Sun 11 Mar 2007 18:14
Subject: Re: Photography underground

"Paul Scott" <notvalidpmsc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Hardly. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/arts/filming/filming-faqs.asp

>As noted earlier - those are only the rules for commercial filming and
>photography - the problem is that the rules that do allow private
>photography are not accessible from the website...

I don't think so - there's very obvious provisions for student filming, which
isn't considered commercial. Futhermore the first two rules state:

Do you need to obtain permission to film or photograph on London Underground?

Yes. Anybody wanting to film or take pictures must seek prior permission from
the London Underground Film Office.

How do you apply for a permit to film on the London Underground?

For all individuals and film production companies applying for a permit, you you
can email the London Underground Film Office to apply for a filming or
photography permit.

Note the references to "anybody" and "all individuals" - not just commercial
photographers...


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Paul Scott  
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 More options 11 Mar 2007, 18:18
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From: "Paul Scott" <notvalidpmsc...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:18:43 -0000
Local: Sun 11 Mar 2007 18:18
Subject: Re: Photography underground

"Rick Blaine" <d...@bother.com> wrote in message

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> "Paul Scott" <notvalidpmsc...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>>> Hardly. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/arts/filming/filming-faqs.asp

>>As noted earlier - those are only the rules for commercial filming and
>>photography - the problem is that the rules that do allow private
>>photography are not accessible from the website...

> I don't think so - there's very obvious provisions for student filming,
> which
> isn't considered commercial. Futhermore the first two rules state:

Please see earlier posts - especially the one by Steve Fitzgerald on 10/3
containing the extract from the LU staff manual:

>10. Photography on stations
>10.1 Passengers can take photographs with small cameras for private
>purposes, provided
> flashlights and/or tripods are not used
> no obstruction or inconvenience is caused to staff and/or passengers.
>10.2 Representatives of the media, press or photographic agencies and
>film companies, and other persons taking photographs for commercial
>purposes must first get permission from the Press Officer. See section
>13 of this document

Paul

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Bob Wood  
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 More options 11 Mar 2007, 22:08
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From: "Bob Wood" <bobw...@ntlwhirled.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:08:52 GMT
Local: Sun 11 Mar 2007 22:08
Subject: Re: Photography underground
In news:1173612654.716588.246700@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com,
Paul Weaver <use...@isorox.co.uk> typed:

Didn't it used to go under Spitalfields City Farm?  Does that count?

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michael adams  
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 More options 11 Mar 2007, 22:57
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From: "michael adams" <mjadam...@onetel.net.uk>
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:57:29 -0000
Local: Sun 11 Mar 2007 22:57
Subject: Re: Photography underground

"Paul Scott" <notvalidpmsc...@btinternet.com> wrote in message

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In the current Conditions of Carriage (Jan 007), there's the clear
implication that it's permissible to take non-flash photographs and
use a hand-held camera on London Underground stations and trains.
Otherwise presumably, all unlicensed photography would have been
banned outright.

< quote >

4.5. For safety reasons, on our buses, in our bus stations and
on London Underground stations and trains you must not:

• smoke

• use bicycles, roller skates, roller blades, scooters or skateboards

• take flash photographs and/or use a tripod or other camera support
equipment
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^
^^

• use emergency exits except in an emergency or when instructed to do so by
our staff

</quote>

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tickets/2007/downloads/CoC-January-2-...

michael adams

...


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alex_t  
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 More options 12 Mar 2007, 16:49
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From: "alex_t" <atereshche...@googlemail.com>
Date: 12 Mar 2007 09:49:59 -0700
Local: Mon 12 Mar 2007 16:49
Subject: Re: Photography underground

> Were they
> "real" police or "plastic" community support officers?

What do you mean by "plastic"? IMHO they had usual police hats and
clothes, then again - I'm ignorant immigrant who had never have any
contact with the police before...

> The main issue is to check with the station supervisor so they know you
> are there and can provide any requisite local knowledge.

Seems a bit unreasonable - if all anoraks will start contacting
station supervisors, when would they do their work?

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Michael Hoffman  
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 More options 12 Mar 2007, 17:30
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From: Michael Hoffman <cam.ac...@mh391.invalid>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:30:31 +0000
Local: Mon 12 Mar 2007 17:30
Subject: Re: Photography underground

alex_t wrote:
>> Were they
>> "real" police or "plastic" community support officers?

> What do you mean by "plastic"? IMHO they had usual police hats and
> clothes, then again - I'm ignorant immigrant who had never have any
> contact with the police before...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Community_Support_Officer
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alex_t  
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 More options 12 Mar 2007, 17:44
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From: "alex_t" <atereshche...@googlemail.com>
Date: 12 Mar 2007 10:44:58 -0700
Local: Mon 12 Mar 2007 17:44
Subject: Re: Photography underground

Thank you for the link, now I can see that they were (most likely)
PCSOs... at least colours were as described in the article + high
visibility clothing... :-/

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Michael Hoffman  
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 More options 12 Mar 2007, 18:11
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From: Michael Hoffman <cam.ac...@mh391.invalid>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:11:22 +0000
Local: Mon 12 Mar 2007 18:11
Subject: Re: Photography underground

alex_t wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Community_Support_Officer

> Thank you for the link, now I can see that they were (most likely)
> PCSOs... at least colours were as described in the article + high
> visibility clothing... :-/

But constables also wear high-vis clothing and similar colors. You can
tell a PCSO because their clothing will be labeled COMMUNITY SUPPORT
OFFICER in addition or instead of POLICE.
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Paul Corfield  
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 More options 12 Mar 2007, 18:20
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From: Paul Corfield <aoo...@dsl.pipex.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:20:56 +0000
Local: Mon 12 Mar 2007 18:20
Subject: Re: Photography underground
On 12 Mar 2007 09:49:59 -0700, "alex_t" <atereshche...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

>> Were they
>> "real" police or "plastic" community support officers?

>What do you mean by "plastic"? IMHO they had usual police hats and
>clothes, then again - I'm ignorant immigrant who had never have any
>contact with the police before...

Yes they look like policemen and we're supposed to believe that they are
policemen but they aren't. In my experience they are probably well
meaning people trying to do their bit for society but some are a bit too
stupid or arrogant for their own good. They therefore like to believe
they have "power" over individuals going about their business and the
stupid ones then believe they are doing their job by making treating the
public, who they are to serve, like morons.  My own encounter with such
an idiot has soured my view of community support officers. Stories from
a range of other people simply confirm my worst suspicions. I say this
despite being fully aware of the current security issues and concerns.

Almost all properly trained policemen and women are capable of
exercising appropriate discretion, judgement and civility in their
dealings with the public. This way they get the respect they deserve in
return.

If I had the choice of 1,000 properly trained policemen vs 2,500
community support officers I'd go for the 1,000 policemen every time.

>> The main issue is to check with the station supervisor so they know you
>> are there and can provide any requisite local knowledge.

>Seems a bit unreasonable - if all anoraks will start contacting
>station supervisors, when would they do their work?

It is not at all unreasonable - it is the minimum sensible thing to do.
Most supervisors will be perfectly amenable and will be pleased that
someone has taken the trouble to identify themselves and to ask the
right questions/ obtain permission. It saves a lot of work and hassle
compared to having to deal with someone wandering around but obviously
not catching a train.  Some of our better supervisors would probably
point out the best things to take a picture of if they are at one of our
more photogenic stations.
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Paul C

Admits to working for London Underground!


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alex_t  
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 More options 12 Mar 2007, 18:21
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From: "alex_t" <atereshche...@googlemail.com>
Date: 12 Mar 2007 11:21:44 -0700
Local: Mon 12 Mar 2007 18:21
Subject: Re: Photography underground

> But constables also wear high-vis clothing and similar colors. You can
> tell a PCSO because their clothing will be labeled COMMUNITY SUPPORT
> OFFICER in addition or instead of POLICE.

Well, then I have no idea - unfortunately I did not read the labels :(

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David Cantrell  
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 More options 13 Mar 2007, 11:31
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From: David Cantrell <da...@cantrell.org.uk>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:31:22 +0000
Local: Tues 13 Mar 2007 11:31
Subject: Re: Photography underground