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Russell W. Barnes  
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 More options 3 Nov, 13:35
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From: "Russell W. Barnes" <russell dot barnes at huttonrow dot co dot uk>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:35:28 -0000
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Subject: Re: Brampton... correction to ancient discussion.
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"Russell W. Barnes" <russell dot barnes at huttonrow dot co dot uk> wrote in
message news:Y9ednaSUycskrW3XnZ2dnUVZ7qGdnZ2d@brightview.com...

> "Russell Hafter News" <see....@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote in message
> news:50afd5f094see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid...
>> In article <KZZEm.37055$GY2.33...@newsfe11.ams2>, Woody
>> <harroga...@ntlworld.spam.com> wrote:

> 8><-------------------------
>> Going due south, it does not hit 01768 (Penrith) until you
>> get to Calthwaite, which is more than halfway from Carlise
>> to Penrith. On the west coast, the boundary is between
>> Silloth (01697) and Newton (01900).

> It actually hits a satellite exchange of Penrith (Skelton, 017684 84xxx to

8><--------------

Ah; see what you mean...  Calthwaite exchange is indeed further north than
Skelton, but the curtilage of Skelton's exchange is further north than that
of Calthwaite's exchange!  Apologies for the confusion.
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From: "Smurf" <sm...@smurf.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:36:10 -0000
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Subject: Re: Brampton... correction to ancient discussion.
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Russell W. Barnes wrote:
>> hallbankgate, brampton, raughton head and gilsland are all parts of
>> Carlisle.

> Whilst some of Gilsland's postal, council and other administration
> may be Carlisle based, it is not in, nor part of, Carlisle.  Half of
> Gilsland is in the county of Northumberland, the other half is in
> Cumbria (where Carlisle is) and is divided by the River Irthing,
> being the original Cumberland/Northumberland boundary.  The centre of
> Gilsland is 25km, as the crow flies, from Carlisle telephone exchange.

It is true that Gilsland village is split between Northumberland and
Cumbria, but in this case, the county boundary of cumbria is shared with the
City, ie those parts that fall in Cumbria are within the City of Carlisle.

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From: "Russell W. Barnes" <russell dot barnes at huttonrow dot co dot uk>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 00:19:20 -0000
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"Smurf" <sm...@smurf.com> wrote in message

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> It is true that Gilsland village is split between Northumberland and
> Cumbria, but in this case, the county boundary of cumbria is shared with
> the City, ie those parts that fall in Cumbria are within the City of
> Carlisle.

Blimey!  It must be the only city with more sheep than people!
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From: "Smurf" <sm...@smurf.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:41:47 -0000
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Russell W. Barnes wrote:
> "Smurf" <sm...@smurf.com> wrote in message
> news:7lm43dF3a3potU1@mid.individual.net...

>> It is true that Gilsland village is split between Northumberland and
>> Cumbria, but in this case, the county boundary of cumbria is shared
>> with the City, ie those parts that fall in Cumbria are within the
>> City of Carlisle.

> Blimey!  It must be the only city with more sheep than people!

that may be true, especially when you move up to Penton and Burgh by Sands

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 More options 11 Nov, 20:21
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From: nrs22 <nr...@fsmail.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:21:30 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed 11 Nov 2009 20:21
Subject: Re: Brampton... correction to ancient discussion.
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I didn't expect a protracted discussion as to what constitutes a
'city', but interesting none the less.

Are we all agreed that:

1697    72              Allocated               BT      4+4     03/2003
1697    73              Allocated               BT      4+4     03/2003
1697    74              Allocated               BT      4+6     07/1994

should really be:

1697    72              Allocated               BT      5+4     03/2003
1697    73              Allocated               BT      5+4     03/2003
1697    74              Allocated               BT      5+5     07/1994

It seems clear that this is the case from looking at other prefix
lists and the phonebook.

The 5+4 numbers would have been 4+4 numbers before PhONEday. The
addition of the '1' should have changed them to 5+4.

Based on the above, I am not sure if this should be 4+6, or 5+5 for
Hallbankgate (0169 77) 5xxxx, though:

1697    75              Allocated               BT      4+6     09/1995

It looks like the range is allocated but may not actually be in use.

Likewise I am not sure if this should be 4+6, or 0+10 for Hallbankgate
0169 77 0xxxx and 0169 77 1xxxx National Dialling:

1697    70              Allocated               LogicStar Limited               4+6     02/2008
1697    71              Allocated               Danemere Street Creative        4+6     06/2005

It looks like the range is allocated, but I haven't been able to find
a listing for any of these numbers.

Are there any other number ranges still in dispute in this list?

01697    000000 - 199999  Brampton National Dialling (ND)
01697    200000 - 299999  Brampton

0169 73   00000 -  19999  Protected (ND)
0169 73   20000 -  76999  Wigton
0169 73   77000 -  79999  Protected

01697    380000 - 389999  Brampton

0169 73   90000 -  98999  Wigton
0169 73   99000 -  99999  Protected ('999')

0169 74   00000 -  19999  Protected (ND)
0169 74   20000 -  54999  Raughton Head
0169 74   55000 -  69999  Protected
0169 74   70000 -  79999  Raughton Head
0169 74   80000 -  89999  Protected
0169 74   90000 -  99999  Protected (ND) ('999')

01697    500000 - 529999  Brampton
01697    530000 - 532999  Brampton (Free)
01697    533000 - 599999  Protected

01697    600000 - 699999  Protected

01697    700000 - 719999  Brampton (4+6)  -[- OR  -]-   0169 77
00000 -  19999  Hallbankgate (ND) ???

0169 77    2000 -   3999  Hallbankgate    -[- NOT -]-   01697
7200  -  7399   Brampton

0169 77   40000 -  49999  Hallbankgate    -[- NOT -]-   01697
740000 - 749999  Brampton

01697    750000 - 759999  Brampton        -[- OR  -]-   0169 77
50000 -  59999  Hallbankgate ???

01697    760000 - 799999  Brampton

01697    800000 - 899999  Protected

01697    900000 - 989999  Brampton
01697    990000 - 999999  Protected ('999')

Key: (ND) = Numbers marked as 0+10

If the Ofcom data is wrong, then it has been wrong for a very long
time.


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 More options 11 Nov, 23:45
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From: "Smurf" <sm...@smurf.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:45:26 -0000
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nrs22 wrote:
> I didn't expect a protracted discussion as to what constitutes a
> 'city', but interesting none the less.

Who would have thought that such a thing could happen on usenet.

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