> In article <zCGIm.26707$6O1.21...@newsfe08.ams2>, Woody said...
>>Interesting prospect. Unless you have to change to an up and down >>sat link, how are you going to tell the system what prog to show >>you?
> I presume you connect the box to a wired home network router and use > that. All freesat HD boxes have a LAN port that isn't usable. Yet ;)
OK if you have a fast broadband connection!
For those of us who don't have this luxury, it would be nice to be able to use a Freesat PVR to record a programme at low speed, and then see it a full speed later.
> In article <zCGIm.26707$6O1.21...@newsfe08.ams2>, Woody said... >>Interesting prospect. Unless you have to change to an up and down >>sat link, how are you going to tell the system what prog to show >>you?
> I presume you connect the box to a wired home network router and use > that. All freesat HD boxes have a LAN port that isn't usable. Yet ;)
That is indeed how it works according to other articles on the subject. I don't know how fast the broadband has to be for it to be useable, or what happens if someone else in the house is using it on a computer.
On Nov 6, 7:39 am, "David" <david.p...@tesco.net> wrote:
> How do you do it with a Wii console? > First I heard.
> -- > Regards, > David
> FREESAT HD as it is now it is a joke.
Easy - make sure your Wii is connected to your home network (usually via Wifi), download the (now free) Opera browser to your Wii and navigate to bbc.co.uk/iplayer There's a Wii specific screen layout which is quite nice to use really, though quality isn't fantastic; its watchable, particularly if its to catch up on something you unexpectedly missed. I wouldn't want to use it instead of a PVR for most of my viewing though.
Bloody elitest that lot. they have just effectively removed access to the internet version for the blind by discontinuing the old real feeds that could be accessed without the need to interact with the flash interface. Brian
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> On Nov 6, 7:39 am, "David" <david.p...@tesco.net> wrote: >> How do you do it with a Wii console? >> First I heard.
>> -- >> Regards, >> David
>> FREESAT HD as it is now it is a joke.
> Easy - make sure your Wii is connected to your home network (usually > via Wifi), download the (now free) Opera browser to your Wii and > navigate to bbc.co.uk/iplayer There's a Wii specific screen layout > which is quite nice to use really, though quality isn't fantastic; its > watchable, particularly if its to catch up on something you > unexpectedly missed. I wouldn't want to use it instead of a PVR for > most of my viewing though.
Yes just done that, thanks. Quality is awful. Probably as the Internet via it is very poor too. Will have to see if my laptop does better, TV has a computer input.
> > On Nov 6, 7:39 am, "David" <david.p...@tesco.net> wrote: > >> How do you do it with a Wii console? > >> First I heard.
> >> -- > >> Regards, > >> David
> >> FREESAT HD as it is now it is a joke.
> > Easy - make sure your Wii is connected to your home network (usually > > via Wifi), download the (now free) Opera browser to your Wii and > > navigate to bbc.co.uk/iplayer There's a Wii specific screen layout > > which is quite nice to use really, though quality isn't fantastic; its > > watchable, particularly if its to catch up on something you > > unexpectedly missed. I wouldn't want to use it instead of a PVR for > > most of my viewing though.
> Yes just done that, thanks. > Quality is awful. > Probably as the Internet via it is very poor too. > Will have to see if my laptop does better, TV has a computer input.
> -- > Regards, > David
> FREESAT HD as it is now it is a joke.
Laptop has the advantage that you can download the files in HD format for display (and therefore play them back as files rather than streaming over the internet), and (I think) the Wii is hampered in that its CPU power means it can only decode the SD streams anyway.
Downloading is good - 1.45gb of Strictly Come Dancing last week downloaded in about 20 mins on a 5.5meg ADSL line over wifi.
>>Interesting prospect. Unless you have to change to an up and down >>sat link, how are you going to tell the system what prog to show >>you?
>I presume you connect the box to a wired home network router and use >that. All freesat HD boxes have a LAN port that isn't usable. Yet ;)
>>If it is a Sky box with a landline then it ain't Freesat.
>Indeed
If the data comes in thru the LAN port then it isn't freesat either.
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On Nov 6, 2:23 pm, Mark <i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> wrote:
> >I presume you connect the box to a wired home network router and use > >that. All freesat HD boxes have a LAN port that isn't usable. Yet ;)
> >>If it is a Sky box with a landline then it ain't Freesat.
> >Indeed
> If the data comes in thru the LAN port then it isn't freesat either.
True, but if the only receivers capable of receiving the MHEG instructions which then prompt your TV to look for LAN / WAN content are Freesat receivers, then it is a Freesat service. Freesat have defined the spec for TVs / STBs / PVRs to have LAN connections, and I'm not yet aware of any Sky boxes having this capability. Just because the data doesn't come via a satellite doesn't mean its not a Freesat service. Hoover make washing machines you know.
: > : > : defined the spec for TVs / STBs / PVRs to have LAN connections, and : > : I'm not yet aware of any Sky boxes having this capability. : > : > All Sky+HD PVRs!
: I bow to your superior knowledge!
: Do the LAN connections do anything currently?
No! - going to be used for VOD (probably also including iPlayer) from sometime next year (Except that Sky have been very poor so far in keeping to their development schedules!)
>> Easy - make sure your Wii is connected to your home network (usually >> via Wifi), download the (now free) Opera browser to your Wii and >> navigate to bbc.co.uk/iplayer There's a Wii specific screen layout >> which is quite nice to use really, though quality isn't fantastic; its >> watchable, particularly if its to catch up on something you >> unexpectedly missed. I wouldn't want to use it instead of a PVR for >> most of my viewing though.
> Yes just done that, thanks. > Quality is awful. > Probably as the Internet via it is very poor too. > Will have to see if my laptop does better, TV has a computer input.
I'm very surprised that it works. Does this mean that the BBC have upgraded their iPlayer software to be Wii-compatible now? Ours used to work, then Nintendo upgraded the Wii software (at the same time as they made it free) and it was then no longer compatible with the iPlayer. Both BBC and Nintendo admitted there was a problem, and the BBC website still says they are going to fix it at some time in the future. Does this mean they have got a Round Tuit?
> >> Easy - make sure your Wii is connected to your home network (usually > >> via Wifi), download the (now free) Opera browser to your Wii and > >> navigate to bbc.co.uk/iplayer There's a Wii specific screen layout > >> which is quite nice to use really, though quality isn't fantastic; its > >> watchable, particularly if its to catch up on something you > >> unexpectedly missed. I wouldn't want to use it instead of a PVR for > >> most of my viewing though.
> > Yes just done that, thanks. > > Quality is awful. > > Probably as the Internet via it is very poor too. > > Will have to see if my laptop does better, TV has a computer input.
> I'm very surprised that it works. Does this mean that the BBC have upgraded > their iPlayer software to be Wii-compatible now? Ours used to work, then > Nintendo upgraded the Wii software (at the same time as they made it free) > and it was then no longer compatible with the iPlayer. Both BBC and Nintendo > admitted there was a problem, and the BBC website still says they are going > to fix it at some time in the future. Does this mean they have got a Round > Tuit?
> Allan
Has this happened recently? Opera only became free (as far as I can remember) in the last couple of months, though I have to admit I haven't used iPlayer through the Wii during that time. I'll give it a try this weekend and report back, but as far as I was aware there is no problem with Wii / iPlayer.
> larkim <matthew.lar...@gmail.com> wrote: > : > > : > : defined the spec for TVs / STBs / PVRs to have LAN connections, and > : > : I'm not yet aware of any Sky boxes having this capability. > : > > : > All Sky+HD PVRs!
> : I bow to your superior knowledge!
> : Do the LAN connections do anything currently?
> No! - going to be used for VOD (probably also including iPlayer) from > sometime next year (Except that Sky have been very poor so far in keeping > to their development schedules!)
Maybe Windows Media Center should also support the iPlayer directly, though I am not sure if this would be very different from the BBC iPlayer website.
David wrote: >> Easy - make sure your Wii is connected to your home network (usually >> via Wifi), download the (now free) Opera browser to your Wii and >> navigate to bbc.co.uk/iplayer There's a Wii specific screen layout >> which is quite nice to use really, though quality isn't fantastic; its >> watchable, particularly if its to catch up on something you >> unexpectedly missed. I wouldn't want to use it instead of a PVR for >> most of my viewing though.
> Yes just done that, thanks. > Quality is awful. > Probably as the Internet via it is very poor too. > Will have to see if my laptop does better, TV has a computer input.
I watched last week's James May 'Airfix Kit' programme via BBCi-player on my Sony PS3. I was surprised how good the quality was in fact, looked better than C5 DTT did a couple of weeks ago, and I'm not joking !
Didn't need to download it, it just streamed. I've got a 2.5 Mb/s internet connection, this programme consumed about 750 Mb/s of transfer data, which makes the data rate about 1.5 Mb/s. Of course I assume the coding is some sort of MPEG 4 variant or equivalent, so you can't compare with DTT SD bit rates. Perfectly watchable, and I forgot I was watching telly down a phone a line, until the PS3 screen saver cut in halfway through :-)
Of course if you're on some sort of capped data internet service, which many are, you'd quite quickly go over the limit if you made a habit of this.
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> David wrote: >>> Easy - make sure your Wii is connected to your home network (usually >>> via Wifi), download the (now free) Opera browser to your Wii and >>> navigate to bbc.co.uk/iplayer There's a Wii specific screen layout >>> which is quite nice to use really, though quality isn't fantastic; its >>> watchable, particularly if its to catch up on something you >>> unexpectedly missed. I wouldn't want to use it instead of a PVR for >>> most of my viewing though.
>> Yes just done that, thanks. >> Quality is awful. >> Probably as the Internet via it is very poor too. >> Will have to see if my laptop does better, TV has a computer input.
> I watched last week's James May 'Airfix Kit' programme via BBCi-player on > my Sony PS3. I was surprised how good the quality was in fact, looked > better than C5 DTT did a couple of weeks ago, and I'm not joking !
> Didn't need to download it, it just streamed. I've got a 2.5 Mb/s internet > connection, this programme consumed about 750 Mb/s of transfer data, which > makes the data rate about 1.5 Mb/s. Of course I assume the coding is some > sort of MPEG 4 variant or equivalent, so you can't compare with DTT SD bit > rates. > Perfectly watchable, and I forgot I was watching telly down a phone a > line, until the PS3 screen saver cut in halfway through :-)
> Of course if you're on some sort of capped data internet service, which > many are, you'd quite quickly go over the limit if you made a habit of > this.
I've got an Apple TV connected via 10 mb cable broadband and watched the same programme on iplayer at full screen on a 32" LCD TV, I have to say that I was also impressed by the quality (I've seen a lot worse from some so called professional satellite channels) I assume that the Apple TV must be capable of some pretty good upscaling, as even many of the photos I took circa 2001 on my (back then expensive) 1.3 megapixel Olympics camera look amazingly good at full screen, in fact better than I've ever seen them before, even on my Philips 22" LCD monitor.
The way they are going to do this is confusing me.
As far as I know FreeSat is a global broadcast via satellite and so everyone receives the same data.
Conversely Virgin Cable is a two way point to point service where each end point receives its own transmission and so you can select (by sending data back up the link) which data you wish transmitting to your cable box.
I think this is how iPlayer works - a Video on Demand service which sends the programs down cable to you as requested.
Unless all the iPlayer programs are already being streamed to you through the satellite and you just select which you wish to view I don't see how you can get this service via satellite.
However, I don't see how this could work with Sky either due to the same constraints.
I have assumed that the 'red button' functions on Sky (not that I have ever subscribed to Sky) send small amounts of data back through a phone line to support added functions such as voting, entering competitions, and buying stuff from the sales channels.
Presumably if the Ethernet connection is used to stream the data then this is just setting up a FreeSat box to behave like a PC streaming (or downloading then playing) content from the BBC iPlayer site? And treating the broadband connection like a Virgin (kissed for the very first time) cable connection?
Not that I am knocking this - I have just installed a Bush FreeSat HD box in my bedroom and if I can stream iPlayer content to this over my Virgin cable Internet connection this will be a much better solution than paying for another Virgin cable box (not that I would).
This just means that after going totally wireless I may have to dig out the reel of CAT5 and start wiring up the house because this is probably cheaper than buying Wireless Access Units for each room to bridge my wireless network to Ethernet segments.
>> The way they are going to do this is confusing me. > [...]
>> So - how does the technology work?
> It's already been explained in this thread.
> You connect your Freesat box to your home broadband router using an > Ethernet cable.
> Presumably the software in the Freesat will need to be upgraded over air > to facilitate this.
There wasn't a clear explanation in the thread - most comments started with "If...". That is why I asked for clarification.
That is a fairly big "Presumably" unless this feature is already catered for in the FreeSat specification.
This won't be a service until/unless the majority of FreeSat firmware can interact with it. This also relies on manufactureres updating existing kit instead of just adding a feature to new kit.
> >> The way they are going to do this is confusing me. > > [...]
> >> So - how does the technology work?
> > It's already been explained in this thread.
> > You connect your Freesat box to your home broadband router using an > > Ethernet cable.
> > Presumably the software in the Freesat will need to be upgraded over air > > to facilitate this.
> > --
> What about Freesat TV set?
> -- > Regards, > David
> FREESAT HD as it is now it is a joke.
Ditto. The spec for Freesat HD (including recorders, STBs and integrated TVs) required an ethernet port, so my TV has one on the back (Panasonic Freesat TV) which will be required for the iPlayer/ Freesat service.
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