> Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen? > What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut?
Like Moel-y-Parc's BBC2 closure last week, the Winter Hill signal just cut-off mid programme, with not a caption in sight, at 00:26. There was a short period of low power beforehand.
The new BBC A digital signal came on air within 5 minutes. The old Mux 1 signal continued to be broadcast alongside it until 00:48.
I sat through the horrid "BBC North West Tonight" programme yesterday evening, to see if DSO1 was discussed (it was). Amongst other things, the presenters managed to confuse today's DSO1 retune with the switchover in the Isle of Man and The Lakes, which have already happened.
Choice quotes:
On-Location Reporter: "...tomorrow they're going to pull out this red link, and BBC2 analogue won't exist any longer. But that won't worry you, will it, because you will have already retuned. Please tell me you've done it by now!" Presenter1: "Yeah, we have! We had the man over this morning." Presenter2: "My TV did it for me actually."
...and later...
Presenter2: "If you have more than five channels, you don't need to do a thing".
...oh, and if you have a TV without a SCART socket...
Woman Guest from Switchover Help Scheme: "all you need is a Freeview box with an RSA lead".
Just watch for the pikeys driving off with the scrap.. grin.
Brian
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>> Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen? >> What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut?
> Like Moel-y-Parc's BBC2 closure last week, the Winter Hill signal just cut-off mid programme, with not a caption in sight, at > 00:26. > There was a short period of low power beforehand.
> The new BBC A digital signal came on air within 5 minutes. > The old Mux 1 signal continued to be broadcast alongside it until 00:48.
Oh bugger! both my Vestel PVR80s won't even see a MUX on 62, never mind decode it! Didn't I read a post here about the Vestel boxes not coping with the carrier offset and needing an OTH update? Currently 5.3(UK) and no sign of a pending update.
"Mike Tomlinson" <m...@none.invalid> wrote in message news:sTaTjIAT+X8KFwGG@none.invalid... > In article <hcqc52$ls...@news.eternal-september.org>, Graham. > <m...@privacy.net> writes
>>What should we expect,
> Lots of phone calls from elderly, deaf rellies.
> "No, Aunty. Press the DIGITAL button".
> "But we always press ANALOGUE and it works"
> "Not any more, Aunty. The men who look after the transmitters have made > some big changes. You'll have to press DIGITAL in future"
> "Oh. Why didn't anyone tell us?"
> I didn't go down the retune route. I'm gonna take the phone off the > hook and hide under the bedclothes.
See my previous post. I'm supposed to know a little about this stuff, and even I have lost BBC 1 & 2 and whatever else is on the new WH MUX. If it can happen to me, what chance has your maiden aunt got?
Graham. wrote: > Oh bugger! both my Vestel PVR80s won't even see a MUX on 62, > never mind decode it! > Didn't I read a post here about the Vestel boxes not coping with the carrier > offset and needing an OTH update? Currently 5.3(UK) and no sign of > a pending update.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:44:30 -0000, "Graham." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>"Mike Tomlinson" <m...@none.invalid> wrote in message news:sTaTjIAT+X8KFwGG@none.invalid... >> In article <hcqc52$ls...@news.eternal-september.org>, Graham. >> <m...@privacy.net> writes
>>>What should we expect,
>> Lots of phone calls from elderly, deaf rellies.
>> "No, Aunty. Press the DIGITAL button".
>> "But we always press ANALOGUE and it works"
>> "Not any more, Aunty. The men who look after the transmitters have made >> some big changes. You'll have to press DIGITAL in future"
>> "Oh. Why didn't anyone tell us?"
>> I didn't go down the retune route. I'm gonna take the phone off the >> hook and hide under the bedclothes.
>See my previous post. >I'm supposed to know a little about this stuff, and even I have lost >BBC 1 & 2 and whatever else is on the new WH MUX. >If it can happen to me, what chance has your maiden aunt got?
No Signal message for me on BBC 1 & 2 is anybody receiving BBC from Winter Hill ?
> "Graham." <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:hcqc52$lst$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> Can anyone tell me what time it is due to happen? >> What should we expect, a period of blacks & syncs followed by carrier cut?
> Like Moel-y-Parc's BBC2 closure last week, the Winter Hill signal just cut-off mid programme, with not a caption in sight, at > 00:26. > There was a short period of low power beforehand.
> The new BBC A digital signal came on air within 5 minutes. > The old Mux 1 signal continued to be broadcast alongside it until 00:48.
> I sat through the horrid "BBC North West Tonight" programme yesterday evening, to see if DSO1 was discussed (it was). > Amongst other things, the presenters managed to confuse today's DSO1 retune with the switchover in the Isle of Man and The Lakes, > which have already happened.
> Choice quotes:
> On-Location Reporter: "...tomorrow they're going to pull out this red link, and BBC2 analogue won't exist any longer. But that > won't worry you, will it, because you will have already retuned. Please tell me you've done it by now!" > Presenter1: "Yeah, we have! We had the man over this morning." > Presenter2: "My TV did it for me actually."
> ...and later...
> Presenter2: "If you have more than five channels, you don't need to do a thing".
> ...oh, and if you have a TV without a SCART socket...
> Woman Guest from Switchover Help Scheme: "all you need is a Freeview box with an RSA lead".
An RSA lead? perhaps yet another name for the connecter that dare not speak its name, viz. the TV aerial connector, which I believe has the modern name of IEC-169-2, but I insist in calling them Belling-Lee plugs. I am not sure if a pedant wouldn't correct that to Belling & Lee. Let's not even mention the pass-through vs. UHF modulator trifle.
Thanks for putting the video on youtube, but what I wanted to see was the nose when the carrier went off.
On this occasion, a camera pointing at a telly, preferably a mid-sixties vintage dual-standard set would be appropriate.
That would be the direct analogue to this (pun very much intended) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG52HcgKaD4 Which no doubt you have seen before. Mind you, it still has a locked raster at the end, and who's to say it's a genuine off air feed?
In article <hcs0g0$61...@news.eternal-september.org>, Graham. <m...@privacy.net> writes
>If it can happen to me, what chance has your maiden aunt got?
My aunt isn't quite so maiden, she cooked me a mean fish pie last night. Yum.
Even my Mum called me, and she's fiercely independent and highly intelligent. She had the booklet from Digital TV and couldn't get anywhere with either of her tellies.
Neither of them were aware of the switchover today. Very, very poorly publicised IMO.
Nor was my colleague at work, who has watched TV via a bit of coax tied to the curtain rail for years and years. Said to him just now, "how's your TV picture?" His reply was "same as ever, excellent, why?" Not tonight it won't be mate, was my reply. :)
mm wrote: > No Signal message for me on BBC 1 & 2 > is anybody receiving BBC from Winter Hill ?
Have you run a rescan since 6am this morning ? You need to, to get the main BBC mux back, because it's moved frequency (to where BBC 2 analogue was until last night).
-- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.
>> Oh bugger! both my Vestel PVR80s won't even see a MUX on 62, >> never mind decode it! >> Didn't I read a post here about the Vestel boxes not coping with the carrier >> offset and needing an OTH update? Currently 5.3(UK) and no sign of >> a pending update.
Thanks Mark, that worked a treat on both boxes. Nice of Bill (not our Bill, the American one), to ship Vista without a terminal application, and my XP laptop didn't ship with a COM port.
Anyway, I discovered the hypertrm.exe & dll files from XP work in Vista without any installation.
How on earth is the average punter going to cope with that then? Has there been an OTA update that I have missed, I doubt it as they are on 24/7
>> No Signal message for me on BBC 1 & 2 is anybody receiving BBC from >> Winter Hill ?
> Have you run a rescan since 6am this morning ? You need to, to get the main > BBC mux back, because it's moved frequency (to where BBC 2 analogue was > until last night).
Oddly, pre-DSO Mux C has also moved (from UHF60), to the old pre-DSO Mux 1 frequency (UHF56).
Here in South Yorkshire we do not expect to receive Winter Hill, because the Pennines are in the way. However, my house has a good view to the west, so I have an XG21CD on a pole on the back yard. We used to use it for Granada in the days when having more than three channels was rather exotic. The aerial is actually pointing almost at Emley Moors as well as at Winter Hill, which is unfortunate because the Emley signals from it are at about 30dBmV (analogue ch51) whereas the Winter Hill analogues were always at about -17dBmV. I used to use a single channel preamp made from an old TV tuner for ch59. Anyway, please excuse this long and tedeous preamble, but I am an old man and I am much given to waffling. Today I hooked up a 9dB masthead amp to the XG21. The amp was one of Mr Wade's excellent products, and it withstood the onslaught of Emley signals perfectly. Not a trace of a problem there. Remarkable.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:36:57 -0000, Graham. wrote: >> Amongst other things, the presenters managed to confuse today's DSO1 >> retune with the switchover in the Isle of Man and The Lakes, which >> have already happened.
Which bit of "The Lakes"? The north, served from Calbeck, went last year but the south is served from Winter Hill...
>> Woman Guest from Switchover Help Scheme: "all you need is a Freeview >> box with an RSA lead".
> An RSA lead? perhaps yet another name for the connecter that dare not > speak its name, viz. the TV aerial connector, which I believe has the > modern name of IEC-169-2, but I insist in calling them Belling-Lee > plugs.
Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a clue what one of those is.
> How on earth is the average punter going to cope with that then?
Indeed !
> Has there been an OTA update that I have missed, I doubt it > as they are on 24/7
AIUI it was carried in Nov 2008, but on Mux B, because the problem was discovered after Selkirk's DSO, and affected Mux 1 (PSB 1) reception in that area.
-- Mark Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.
>>> Amongst other things, the presenters managed to confuse today's > DSO1 >>> retune with the switchover in the Isle of Man and The Lakes, > which >>> have already happened.
> Which bit of "The Lakes"? The north, served from Calbeck, went last > year but the south is served from Winter Hill...
>>> Woman Guest from Switchover Help Scheme: "all you need is a > Freeview >>> box with an RSA lead".
>> An RSA lead? perhaps yet another name for the connecter that dare not >> speak its name, viz. the TV aerial connector, which I believe has the >> modern name of IEC-169-2, but I insist in calling them Belling-Lee >> plugs.
> Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus > would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a > clue what one of those is.
Most have a male output, usually just pass-through, but a small proportion do indeed have a modulator. The ones with only an input tend to be very small form-factor, including USB sticks and those built into an oversized SCART plug.
I've never seen a DTTV box with a F type, but I would applaud the first manufacturer to do so
Yes, it seems that Emley penetrates to the west far more than WH penetrates to the east. It's surprising because I believe it doesn't radiate a great deal of power in that direction, and compared to the height of the hills it isn't actually all that elevated.
WH reception here is possible in a few places, and these places have, on the face of it, nothing special about them. Presumably the shape of the hills is responsible.
In article <0136155f$0$15167$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, Memyself@not-
this.com wrote: > > No Signal message for me on BBC 1 & 2 > > is anybody receiving BBC from Winter Hill ?
> Yes since retune about 12:00, but getting no EPG when tuned to BBC1 on > both Humax 9200 and 8000, both working OK but slow on 4. Received EPG on > Samsung TV tuned to BBC1.
I wonder if there's something wrong with my Humax 8000 then, as it's not seeing any BBC channels since this morning, despite several autotune procedures. It identifies them all, but says they're scrambled or not available. My other receivers, Panasonic, Tvonics and Samsung, all behave perfectly on the same (looped) aerial feed. Perhaps I need to use a bigger attenuator, but if anybody has any more clever ideas, I'm interested.
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