<r...@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >In article <0136155f$0$15167$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, Memyself@not- >this.com wrote: >> > No Signal message for me on BBC 1 & 2 >> > is anybody receiving BBC from Winter Hill ?
>> Yes since retune about 12:00, but getting no EPG when tuned to BBC1 on >> both Humax 9200 and 8000, both working OK but slow on 4. Received EPG on >> Samsung TV tuned to BBC1.
>I wonder if there's something wrong with my Humax 8000 then, as it's not >seeing any BBC channels since this morning, despite several autotune >procedures. It identifies them all, but says they're scrambled or not >available. My other receivers, Panasonic, Tvonics and Samsung, all behave >perfectly on the same (looped) aerial feed. Perhaps I need to use a bigger >attenuator, but if anybody has any more clever ideas, I'm interested.
>Rod.
I have an old Philips (ITV Digital) box I have retuned many times today & I still have no BBC 1 & 2 It does not indentify them but my channels start at 3 (ITV) channel 1 & 2 blank. Will I need a new Digital box ?
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:17:52 -0000, Roderick Stewart
<r...@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >I wonder if there's something wrong with my Humax 8000 then, as it's not >seeing any BBC channels since this morning, despite several autotune >procedures. It identifies them all, but says they're scrambled or not >available. My other receivers, Panasonic, Tvonics and Samsung, all behave >perfectly on the same (looped) aerial feed. Perhaps I need to use a bigger >attenuator, but if anybody has any more clever ideas, I'm interested.
>Rod.
Same problem with humax PVR150 - need to reset it (delete all channel info) and then autotune, not just scan for changes.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:20:13 +0000, Paul Martin wrote: >> Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus >> would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a >> clue what one of those is.
> In Sainsburys this evening I saw one that's just larger than a pack of > cards and has only sockets for power, RF in and RF out, and an IR > extension. No SCART socket.
Fairy nuff. Engaging brain most would need RF in and RF out to loop the signal to other devices, a modulator would be optional though.
Can't say I'm paying all the much attention to DTTV we aren't down for DSO until 2012 and even then I probably won't bother with it unless the technical quality improves a massive amount (oink flap). Might get a box as a standby in case the dish gets blown off the house.
If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
>>> Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out thus >>> would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead haven't a >>> clue what one of those is.
>> In Sainsburys this evening I saw one that's just larger than a pack of >> cards and has only sockets for power, RF in and RF out, and an IR >> extension. No SCART socket.
> Fairy nuff. Engaging brain most would need RF in and RF out to loop > the signal to other devices, a modulator would be optional though.
> Can't say I'm paying all the much attention to DTTV we aren't down > for DSO until 2012 and even then I probably won't bother with it > unless the technical quality improves a massive amount (oink flap). > Might get a box as a standby in case the dish gets blown off the > house.
> If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number > display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
Plenty of Freeview boxes near the checkouts at our local Tesco. Grundig Freesat boxes too.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:14:21 -0000, Graham. wrote: >> If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number >> display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
> Plenty of Freeview boxes near the checkouts at our local Tesco. > Grundig Freesat boxes too.
> I have an old Philips (ITV Digital) box > I have retuned many times today & I still have no BBC 1 & 2 > It does not indentify them but my channels start at 3 (ITV) > channel 1 & 2 blank. > Will I need a new Digital box ?
Yes, none of the old On Digital/ITV Digital boxes will recognise the channel 62 signal. On December 2nd, when all WH muxes are transferred over to 8k, your box will not be capable of decoding any channels (unless it is moved to a pre-DSO area).
On BBC Wales Today this evening (6.30pm bulletin), after a small piece about the Long Mountain switchover (BBC2 carrier lost 1:01.50), the presenter then said that not everything had gone according to plan and that viewers from Winter Hill were watching BBC Wales Today instead of their usual BBC regional news. Any ideas what happened?
In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ksm73f1.pmin...@srv1.howhill.co.uk>, Dave Liquorice <allsortsnotthis...@howhill.com> writes
>If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number display >on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
You might not find one: the commercial aspects would dictate if there's a decent display nearby (?) it's not worth putting expensive components on the box itself.
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Richard W. Jones wrote: > On BBC Wales Today this evening (6.30pm bulletin), after a small piece > about the Long Mountain switchover (BBC2 carrier lost 1:01.50), the > presenter then said that not everything had gone according to plan and > that viewers from Winter Hill were watching BBC Wales Today instead of > their usual BBC regional news. Any ideas what happened?
The post DSO transmission powers are such that in overlap areas (Manchester is a prime example) digital receivers are often finding the 'wrong' transmissions before the 'correct' ones, resulting in the wrong regions being assigned Chs 1,2,3 etc, and the intended regions being pushed to Ch 8**. Particularly when the out of region transmitters are lower in the UHF band, than the local ones.
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> In article <hcs0g0$61...@news.eternal-september.org>, Graham. > <m...@privacy.net> writes > >If it can happen to me, what chance has your maiden aunt got? > My aunt isn't quite so maiden, she cooked me a mean fish pie last night. > Yum. > Even my Mum called me, and she's fiercely independent and highly > intelligent. She had the booklet from Digital TV and couldn't get > anywhere with either of her tellies. > Neither of them were aware of the switchover today. Very, very poorly > publicised IMO.
From my PoV, I have to agree. However, it was my missus who mentioned the planned ending of analogue BBC2 when she got a strong reminder in the form of discovering for herself, its actual absence when she tried to tune to BBC2 analogue this afternoon as a result of the mux that carried it _also_ being shifted.
Talk about a "Double Whammy"! D'oh! It's bad enough to lose the BBC2 analogue as a 'weening off" of the analogue channel dependency exercise, but to compound that loss by presenting would be digital viewers with a 'Loss' of that very same channel, along with BBC1 and BBC3 as well, borders on sheer bloody minded stupidity.
I have to say, with a change of this magnitude (Storeton _Main_ Relay), I'm surprised there wasn't an intensive publicity campaign.
Once it had become apparent that the BBC2 transmissions had also disappeared from the digital STBs as well as the analogue channel and I had gotten over my initial (erroneous) assumption that someone had pulled the wrong plug somewhere in the system, I did a retune on the Toppy to confirm the mux change then did the same for the cheap stb in the back kitchen before retuning the DVB-T USB stick on the laptop and the PCI tuner in my desktop.
I've already noted the min and max channel frequencies that Storeton will be using over the whole period of the changeover so that I could avoid the spurious crap from other transmitters and speed up the tuning process.
The PCI card managed to retune ok, but no ITV3. The usb stick on the laptop was intermittently causing the DTVR program to give up with an error message box during my many attempts to scan all 6 muxes. In the end, I decided to try an attenuator in line.
A quick rummage in my desk drawer revealed a pair of 10 db pads joined together which I quickly inserted into the USB stick's antenna feed. Rather noteworthy of the effect was that there was no apparent effect on the signal meter readings which had been at the max. However, my next retune attempt successfully tuned all 6 muxes with no loss of the ITV3 channel stream.
Now I know we're quite close to the Storeton relay (about 2 miles or so) and I'm using, afaicr, a ten ele vertical on a pole lashed to the main chimney stack with about 10 metres worth of brown 'low loss' co-ax feeding a four way distribution amp in the attic. I'm not certain but I think it might be an SLx4B made by Philex (at least it matches the looks of an SLx2B, complete with obscenely bright blue "power on" indicator LED (2 way splitter with 6db gain).
I suspect the gain on the fourway is also 6db but that's just an educated guess since I bought it mainly to allow me to split the feed and provide just a modest boost to mitigate the effect of feeder loss on the WH signals we were using at the time (an 18 ele HP Yagi mounted higher up the same pole as the Storeton antenna which I'd fitted at a later date),
Both antennas are still in working order but we're now using the Storeton one, leaving the feeder from the WH antenna hanging by the amp for a 'quick changeover' in the unlikely event that Storeton ever goes off the air.
Anyhow, one outlet feeds the original (chopped into) brown co-ax feed to the ground floor living room with a feed to my son's bedroom and one to my office on the floor below using white ex-NTL co-ax (double screened as I recall ;) with F connectors fitted each end (belling lee adapters used where needed) so I'd expect to get a healthy signal into my office. However, I've split it using an ex-NTL 3 way splitter so I can feed the two PC tuners as well as our bedroom next door.
I'd expect the recievers to be seeing the equivilent of an unsplit unamplified antenna signal as a result, but I was surprised it was so strong that the pair of 10 db 'Forward Path Attenuators' (also ex-NTL) that I had cascaded still allowed a healthy signal level to reach the USB tuner. Since I'd previously had no trouble tuning the muxes prior to the BBC2 analogue switch off, I'm wondering whether the power has been turned up on the muxes in spite of the presence of the remaining analogue services.
Anyway, I suspect I might need to attenuate the signal going to the PCI tuner (it might solve the issue of the missing ITV3 channel). At the moment I've taken one of the pads out of the line feeding the USB stick so I think I'll relocate the remaining pad to the input of the three way splitter to apply an all round reduction to the PC tuners (and the next door bedroom feed).
Does anyone know if the mux power levels from Storeton have already been boosted at this early stage of the proceedings? I thought that wasn't going to happen until _all_ the analogue transmissions had been switched off.
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> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:20:13 +0000, Paul Martin wrote:
>>> Not sure there are any DTTV set top boxes that have an RF out >>> thus >>> would use a Belling-Lee or F connector. As for RSA lead >>> haven't a >>> clue what one of those is.
>> In Sainsburys this evening I saw one that's just larger than a >> pack of >> cards and has only sockets for power, RF in and RF out, and an >> IR >> extension. No SCART socket.
> Fairy nuff. Engaging brain most would need RF in and RF out to > loop > the signal to other devices, a modulator would be optional > though.
> Can't say I'm paying all the much attention to DTTV we aren't > down > for DSO until 2012 and even then I probably won't bother with > it > unless the technical quality improves a massive amount (oink > flap). > Might get a box as a standby in case the dish gets blown off > the > house.
> If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number > display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
> -- > Cheers > Dave.
May be wrong but I think the Humax FoxT2 has such.
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:46:55 GMT, SpamTrapSeeSig wrote: > You might not find one: the commercial aspects would dictate if there's > a decent display nearby (?) it's not worth putting expensive components > on the box itself.
Quite possibly, I've yet to find one that has a display but more often than not you have to go by the picture on the box as the one on display isn't powered up.
As for no channel display on TVs or set top boxes it annoys me as 1) you have to press a button to find out what channel you are one 2) if gives the broadcasters a (weak) excuse to use DOGs.
> This prompts the thought: is there any metadata in the SP-DIF datastream > you might use?
I was just going to grab the audio from the SCART, probably into some old PC speakers...
In article <31303030373730364AF2685...@plugzetnet.co.uk>, Johnny B Good <jcs.computersb...@plugzetnet.co.uk> writes
> Talk about a "Double Whammy"! D'oh! It's bad enough to lose the BBC2 >analogue as a 'weening off" of the analogue channel dependency exercise, >but to compound that loss by presenting would be digital viewers with a >'Loss' of that very same channel, along with BBC1 and BBC3 as well, >borders on sheer bloody minded stupidity.
Totally agreed. Letters will be sent as soon as addresses are found. The pointy hats, burning crosses, and pitchforks are being prepared.
> The PCI card managed to retune ok, but no ITV3. The usb stick on the >laptop was intermittently causing the DTVR program to give up with an >error message box during my many attempts to scan all 6 muxes.
H'm. On a working box pointed at WH, I get 8, with a total of 126 programmes.
> However, my next >retune attempt successfully tuned all 6 muxes with no loss of the ITV3 >channel stream.
Ah. Interesting. Mum (who can't get BBC1 or 2 on an Inverto 7000 PVR) has an amp. Must try retuning without it.
I also have an Inverto but can't face retuning it just yet.
In article <31303030373730364AF2685...@plugzetnet.co.uk>, Johnny B Good <jcs.computersb...@plugzetnet.co.uk> writes
> Does anyone know if the mux power levels from Storeton have already >been boosted at this early stage of the proceedings?
I don't know for sure, but a colleague reported this morning that the signal strength reported by a STB fed from a loft-mounted aerial pointed roughly in the direction of Storeton went from ca. 50% to ca. 90%. He lives on the Greasby side of Upton.
In article <slrnhf4iio.r9t...@nowster.eternal-september.org>, Paul Martin <p...@nowster.org.uk> writes
>Yes, Moel-y-Parc on E45 is a good enough signal in some parts of the >Northwest that it is being chosen by boxes in preference to Winter >Hill's BBC A MUX on E62. (A rescan will encounter the M-y-P signal >first.)
What's on E28? Picked up BBC1 and 2 this morning on that, but too corrupt/weak a signal to be watchable. My box (Inverto 7000) paused on 62 for a think but rejected it.
Don't know if this is relevant, but I tried to rescan my Thomson DHD4000 between about 6pm and 8.30pm last night and couldn't "see" Ch62 (hence no BBC etc), despite my Panasonic TV and DTT card in the PC both returning successfully. However, at about 10pm last night I rescanned again and Ch62 mux was found successfully so all BBC was restored. I'm a decent distance away, but have flawless WH reception (have had for a number of years), so signal strength certainly shouldn't have been a problem. I can't think of anything which would account for this other than some freaky weather?
On Nov 4, 9:33 pm, "Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthis...@howhill.com> wrote:
> If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number > display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
> -- > Cheers > Dave.
Can't think of a current one but maybe a shop somewhere has a Wharfedale dv832 or Humax fox-T gathering dust, they both have channel displays. I recently bought a Digihome ( Vestel) 80GB PVR from ebuyer for 40 quid which also has a channel display. More functionality than you need but not terribly expensive.
> I don't know if they're still available, but they weren't cheap - > typically £55. > -- > Ian
As noted on this group a few weeks back Misco have been selling 'refurb' Humax Fox-Ts for 20 quid, none in stock now :-/. Maybe worth keeping an eye on teh site as sometimes more stock turns up.
In article <02q3f553h6k92ja1tphebch6j2vnma4...@4ax.com>, David wrote: > >I wonder if there's something wrong with my Humax 8000 then, as it's not > >seeing any BBC channels since this morning, despite several autotune > >procedures. It identifies them all, but says they're scrambled or not > >available. My other receivers, Panasonic, Tvonics and Samsung, all behave > >perfectly on the same (looped) aerial feed. Perhaps I need to use a bigger > >attenuator, but if anybody has any more clever ideas, I'm interested.
> >Rod.
> Same problem with humax PVR150 - need to reset it (delete all channel > info) and then autotune, not just scan for changes.
I've found that the box has actually tuned all the BBC channels, but they're numbered from 800 upwards! It may be possible to get them back in the right places by judicious use of attenuators and/or manual channel selection but I can't be bothered until after the final reshuffle on 2nd December, as I'd probably only have to do it all over again. Frankly I'm becoming more than a little disenchanted with modern technology in general, and television in particular. It's sad to see what a mess it has become.
>>> If anyone knows of a (cheap) DTTV box that has a channel number >>> display on it I'd be interested for use a radio.
>> Plenty of Freeview boxes near the checkouts at our local Tesco. >> Grundig Freesat boxes too.
> Yeah, now read the question again, properly.
Wasn't intended to be an answer Dave. Just making conversation.
I had just been to my all-night Tesco for a bread in the Granada region post ASO1 and noticed the timely promotion.
Bread wouldn't scan on the self-checkout. Operative came to help and went away, when I pressed the "finish & pay button" it said my purchase required autherisation (for a loaf?) At that point I lost patience, left the bread and walked.
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