All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say “that’s really bad luck”. I mean, that’s really fucking bad luck.
Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain have sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. Liverpool paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a wreck. But Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for almost everything. Defensive changes
Too many injuries to the back line, some self-inflicted, others pure bad luck. The defence has been changing week on week, and it’s hard to get some consistency.
Carra’s header on Skrtel’s jaw on the opening day put the Slovakian out of the team for a while and he hasn’t looked the same since; that set the tone for the season. Last season, Skrtel was a rock; this season he’s been a jelly. (A bit like Vidic after Torres mauled him in March.)
Agger’s back has to be managed, and he came back very rusty (understandably) after surgery. The promising Kelly came in for a great debut, only to be badly injured towards the end of it. Degen came in, but got sent off for a yellow-card tackle; however, he was excluded from the Champions League due to quota rules, with Kelly his replacement. 18-year-old rookie Daniel Ayala was thrown into some big games.
Glenn Johnson’s missed a few games of late, notably after a consistent, unbroken run of games for both Liverpool and England that appear to have taken their toll.
Aurelio got a freak injury in the summer playing with his kids. And of late, Insua has looked a little jaded at times, after non-stop football for the first time in his life (something I foretold would see him struggle at some juncture), plus a call-up by Argentina. He has been excellent more often than not, but was struggling at times before the Lyon match.
You can say that part of the blame lies with Benítez in that the back- ups haven’t been good enough, but Andrea Dossena aside (who’s also been injured), he’s been stuck with kids or bargain-basement back-ups, and even some of the better reserves have been crocked. The first time Agger and Kyrgiakos played together was last night.
It’s worth noting that United have shipped goals without their best defenders this season, too. But I’m not sure they had their best midfielders and strikers absent at the same time.
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:31:11 -0800, Google Beta User wrote: > Injuries
> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say “that’s > really bad luck”. I mean, that’s really fucking bad luck.
> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain have > sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. Liverpool > paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a wreck. But > Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for almost > everything. > Defensive changes
> Too many injuries to the back line, some self-inflicted, others pure bad > luck. The defence has been changing week on week, and it’s hard to get > some consistency.
> Carra’s header on Skrtel’s jaw on the opening day put the Slovakian out > of the team for a while and he hasn’t looked the same since; that set > the tone for the season. Last season, Skrtel was a rock; this season > he’s been a jelly. (A bit like Vidic after Torres mauled him in March.)
> Agger’s back has to be managed, and he came back very rusty > (understandably) after surgery. The promising Kelly came in for a great > debut, only to be badly injured towards the end of it. Degen came in, > but got sent off for a yellow-card tackle; however, he was excluded from > the Champions League due to quota rules, with Kelly his replacement. > 18-year-old rookie Daniel Ayala was thrown into some big games.
> Glenn Johnson’s missed a few games of late, notably after a consistent, > unbroken run of games for both Liverpool and England that appear to have > taken their toll.
> Aurelio got a freak injury in the summer playing with his kids. And of > late, Insua has looked a little jaded at times, after non-stop football > for the first time in his life (something I foretold would see him > struggle at some juncture), plus a call-up by Argentina. He has been > excellent more often than not, but was struggling at times before the > Lyon match.
> You can say that part of the blame lies with Benítez in that the back- > ups haven’t been good enough, but Andrea Dossena aside (who’s also been > injured), he’s been stuck with kids or bargain-basement back-ups, and > even some of the better reserves have been crocked. The first time Agger > and Kyrgiakos played together was last night.
> It’s worth noting that United have shipped goals without their best > defenders this season, too. But I’m not sure they had their best > midfielders and strikers absent at the same time.
Injuries were not an acceptable excuse for Houllier between November 2002 and May 2004 so I do not see why they should be an acceptable excuse now.
Besides, a club which sustains so many "strain" injuries is quite likely overtraining to compensate for their under-achieving. The same happened under Souness but I wouldn;t expect that thick bastard Minister of Disinformation Tompkins to remember that.
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> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say “that’s > really bad luck”. I mean, that’s really fucking bad luck.
> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain > have sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. > Liverpool paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a > wreck. But Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for > almost everything. > Defensive changes
All teams cope with that...
> Too many injuries to the back line, some self-inflicted, others pure > bad luck. The defence has been changing week on week, and it’s hard to > get some consistency.
> Carra’s header on Skrtel’s jaw on the opening day put the Slovakian > out of the team for a while and he hasn’t looked the same since; that > set the tone for the season. Last season, Skrtel was a rock; this > season he’s been a jelly. (A bit like Vidic after Torres mauled him in > March.)
> Agger’s back has to be managed, and he came back very rusty > (understandably) after surgery. The promising Kelly came in for a > great debut, only to be badly injured towards the end of it. Degen > came in, but got sent off for a yellow-card tackle; however, he was > excluded from the Champions League due to quota rules, with Kelly his > replacement. 18-year-old rookie Daniel Ayala was thrown into some big > games.
> Glenn Johnson’s missed a few games of late, notably after a > consistent, unbroken run of games for both Liverpool and England that > appear to have taken their toll.
> Aurelio got a freak injury in the summer playing with his kids. And of > late, Insua has looked a little jaded at times, after non-stop > football for the first time in his life (something I foretold would > see him struggle at some juncture), plus a call-up by Argentina. He > has been excellent more often than not, but was struggling at times > before the Lyon match.
> You can say that part of the blame lies with Benítez in that the back- > ups haven’t been good enough, but Andrea Dossena aside (who’s also > been injured), he’s been stuck with kids or bargain-basement back-ups, > and even some of the better reserves have been crocked. The first time > Agger and Kyrgiakos played together was last night.
> It’s worth noting that United have shipped goals without their best > defenders this season, too. But I’m not sure they had their best > midfielders and strikers absent at the same time.
Rooney, Fletcher, Hargreaves
When United had 8-9 defenders out injured a couple of seasons ago, that weren't a valid excuse. Giggs and Fletcher had to play in the back positions. Injuries are part of the game and you just have to cope.
>> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say “that’s >> really bad luck”. I mean, that’s really fucking bad luck.
>> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain have >> sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. Liverpool >> paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a wreck. But >> Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for almost >> everything. >> Defensive changes
> All teams cope with that...
>> Too many injuries to the back line, some self-inflicted, others pure >> bad luck. The defence has been changing week on week, and it’s hard to >> get some consistency.
> Same story for other teams...
>> Carra’s header on Skrtel’s jaw on the opening day put the Slovakian out >> of the team for a while and he hasn’t looked the same since; that set >> the tone for the season. Last season, Skrtel was a rock; this season >> he’s been a jelly. (A bit like Vidic after Torres mauled him in March.)
>> Agger’s back has to be managed, and he came back very rusty >> (understandably) after surgery. The promising Kelly came in for a great >> debut, only to be badly injured towards the end of it. Degen came in, >> but got sent off for a yellow-card tackle; however, he was excluded >> from the Champions League due to quota rules, with Kelly his >> replacement. 18-year-old rookie Daniel Ayala was thrown into some big >> games.
>> Glenn Johnson’s missed a few games of late, notably after a consistent, >> unbroken run of games for both Liverpool and England that appear to >> have taken their toll.
>> Aurelio got a freak injury in the summer playing with his kids. And of >> late, Insua has looked a little jaded at times, after non-stop football >> for the first time in his life (something I foretold would see him >> struggle at some juncture), plus a call-up by Argentina. He has been >> excellent more often than not, but was struggling at times before the >> Lyon match.
>> You can say that part of the blame lies with Benítez in that the back- >> ups haven’t been good enough, but Andrea Dossena aside (who’s also been >> injured), he’s been stuck with kids or bargain-basement back-ups, and >> even some of the better reserves have been crocked. The first time >> Agger and Kyrgiakos played together was last night.
>> It’s worth noting that United have shipped goals without their best >> defenders this season, too. But I’m not sure they had their best >> midfielders and strikers absent at the same time.
> Rooney, Fletcher, Hargreaves
> When United had 8-9 defenders out injured a couple of seasons ago, that > weren't a valid excuse. Giggs and Fletcher had to play in the back > positions. Injuries are part of the game and you just have to cope.
Love your posts Jesper but your English is slipping. Did you split up with your Scottish girlfriend?
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> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:00:59 +0100, JN Andersen wrote:
>> "Google Beta User" <wanyik...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen >> news:2bb5b9bb-c83d-404b- > bd10-550e264e7...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... >>> Injuries
>>> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say “that’s >>> really bad luck”. I mean, that’s really fucking bad luck.
>>> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain have >>> sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. Liverpool >>> paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a wreck. But >>> Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for almost >>> everything. >>> Defensive changes
>> All teams cope with that...
>>> Too many injuries to the back line, some self-inflicted, others pure >>> bad luck. The defence has been changing week on week, and it’s hard to >>> get some consistency.
>> Same story for other teams...
>>> Carra’s header on Skrtel’s jaw on the opening day put the Slovakian out >>> of the team for a while and he hasn’t looked the same since; that set >>> the tone for the season. Last season, Skrtel was a rock; this season >>> he’s been a jelly. (A bit like Vidic after Torres mauled him in March.)
>>> Agger’s back has to be managed, and he came back very rusty >>> (understandably) after surgery. The promising Kelly came in for a great >>> debut, only to be badly injured towards the end of it. Degen came in, >>> but got sent off for a yellow-card tackle; however, he was excluded >>> from the Champions League due to quota rules, with Kelly his >>> replacement. 18-year-old rookie Daniel Ayala was thrown into some big >>> games.
>>> Glenn Johnson’s missed a few games of late, notably after a consistent, >>> unbroken run of games for both Liverpool and England that appear to >>> have taken their toll.
>>> Aurelio got a freak injury in the summer playing with his kids. And of >>> late, Insua has looked a little jaded at times, after non-stop football >>> for the first time in his life (something I foretold would see him >>> struggle at some juncture), plus a call-up by Argentina. He has been >>> excellent more often than not, but was struggling at times before the >>> Lyon match.
>>> You can say that part of the blame lies with Benítez in that the back- >>> ups haven’t been good enough, but Andrea Dossena aside (who’s also been >>> injured), he’s been stuck with kids or bargain-basement back-ups, and >>> even some of the better reserves have been crocked. The first time >>> Agger and Kyrgiakos played together was last night.
>>> It’s worth noting that United have shipped goals without their best >>> defenders this season, too. But I’m not sure they had their best >>> midfielders and strikers absent at the same time.
>> Rooney, Fletcher, Hargreaves
>> When United had 8-9 defenders out injured a couple of seasons ago, that >> weren't a valid excuse. Giggs and Fletcher had to play in the back >> positions. Injuries are part of the game and you just have to cope.
> Love your posts Jesper but your English is slipping. Did you split up > with your Scottish girlfriend?
Yes actually :-)... I'll try to sharpen up. Got 115 in a toefl test the other day, so maybe it's overconfidence ;-)
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:05:46 +0100, JN Andersen wrote: > "Pope Pompous XVIII" <popepompousxv...@iol.ie> skrev i meddelelsen > news:pan.2009.11.06.12.07.04@popesnews.invalid... >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:00:59 +0100, JN Andersen wrote:
>>> "Google Beta User" <wanyik...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen >>> news:2bb5b9bb-c83d-404b- >> bd10-550e264e7...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... >>>> Injuries
>>>> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say “that’s >>>> really bad luck”. I mean, that’s really fucking bad luck.
>>>> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain >>>> have sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. >>>> Liverpool paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a >>>> wreck. But Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for >>>> almost everything. >>>> Defensive changes
>>> All teams cope with that...
>>>> Too many injuries to the back line, some self-inflicted, others pure >>>> bad luck. The defence has been changing week on week, and it’s hard >>>> to get some consistency.
>>> Same story for other teams...
>>>> Carra’s header on Skrtel’s jaw on the opening day put the Slovakian >>>> out of the team for a while and he hasn’t looked the same since; that >>>> set the tone for the season. Last season, Skrtel was a rock; this >>>> season he’s been a jelly. (A bit like Vidic after Torres mauled him >>>> in March.)
>>>> Agger’s back has to be managed, and he came back very rusty >>>> (understandably) after surgery. The promising Kelly came in for a >>>> great debut, only to be badly injured towards the end of it. Degen >>>> came in, but got sent off for a yellow-card tackle; however, he was >>>> excluded from the Champions League due to quota rules, with Kelly his >>>> replacement. 18-year-old rookie Daniel Ayala was thrown into some big >>>> games.
>>>> Glenn Johnson’s missed a few games of late, notably after a >>>> consistent, unbroken run of games for both Liverpool and England that >>>> appear to have taken their toll.
>>>> Aurelio got a freak injury in the summer playing with his kids. And >>>> of late, Insua has looked a little jaded at times, after non-stop >>>> football for the first time in his life (something I foretold would >>>> see him struggle at some juncture), plus a call-up by Argentina. He >>>> has been excellent more often than not, but was struggling at times >>>> before the Lyon match.
>>>> You can say that part of the blame lies with Benítez in that the >>>> back- ups haven’t been good enough, but Andrea Dossena aside (who’s >>>> also been injured), he’s been stuck with kids or bargain-basement >>>> back-ups, and even some of the better reserves have been crocked. The >>>> first time Agger and Kyrgiakos played together was last night.
>>>> It’s worth noting that United have shipped goals without their best >>>> defenders this season, too. But I’m not sure they had their best >>>> midfielders and strikers absent at the same time.
>>> Rooney, Fletcher, Hargreaves
>>> When United had 8-9 defenders out injured a couple of seasons ago, >>> that weren't a valid excuse. Giggs and Fletcher had to play in the >>> back positions. Injuries are part of the game and you just have to >>> cope.
>> Love your posts Jesper but your English is slipping. Did you split up >> with your Scottish girlfriend?
> Yes actually :-)... I'll try to sharpen up. Got 115 in a toefl test the > other day, so maybe it's overconfidence ;-)
I used to teach English literature at NUIG. I also taught EFL informally with a small group of Spanish students. If you ever need help on a point of grammar in your Benitez rants please don't hesitate to mail My secretary.
-- "Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice"- GK Chesterton
>>>> "Google Beta User" <wanyik...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen >>>> news:2bb5b9bb-c83d-404b- >>> bd10-550e264e7...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... >>>>> Injuries
>>>>> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say “that’s >>>>> really bad luck”. I mean, that’s really fucking bad luck.
>>>>> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain >>>>> have sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. >>>>> Liverpool paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a >>>>> wreck. But Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for >>>>> almost everything. >>>>> Defensive changes
>>>> All teams cope with that...
>>>>> Too many injuries to the back line, some self-inflicted, others pure >>>>> bad luck. The defence has been changing week on week, and it’s hard >>>>> to get some consistency.
>>>> Same story for other teams...
>>>>> Carra’s header on Skrtel’s jaw on the opening day put the Slovakian >>>>> out of the team for a while and he hasn’t looked the same since; that >>>>> set the tone for the season. Last season, Skrtel was a rock; this >>>>> season he’s been a jelly. (A bit like Vidic after Torres mauled him >>>>> in March.)
>>>>> Agger’s back has to be managed, and he came back very rusty >>>>> (understandably) after surgery. The promising Kelly came in for a >>>>> great debut, only to be badly injured towards the end of it. Degen >>>>> came in, but got sent off for a yellow-card tackle; however, he was >>>>> excluded from the Champions League due to quota rules, with Kelly his >>>>> replacement. 18-year-old rookie Daniel Ayala was thrown into some big >>>>> games.
>>>>> Glenn Johnson’s missed a few games of late, notably after a >>>>> consistent, unbroken run of games for both Liverpool and England that >>>>> appear to have taken their toll.
>>>>> Aurelio got a freak injury in the summer playing with his kids. And >>>>> of late, Insua has looked a little jaded at times, after non-stop >>>>> football for the first time in his life (something I foretold would >>>>> see him struggle at some juncture), plus a call-up by Argentina. He >>>>> has been excellent more often than not, but was struggling at times >>>>> before the Lyon match.
>>>>> You can say that part of the blame lies with Benítez in that the >>>>> back- ups haven’t been good enough, but Andrea Dossena aside (who’s >>>>> also been injured), he’s been stuck with kids or bargain-basement >>>>> back-ups, and even some of the better reserves have been crocked. The >>>>> first time Agger and Kyrgiakos played together was last night.
>>>>> It’s worth noting that United have shipped goals without their best >>>>> defenders this season, too. But I’m not sure they had their best >>>>> midfielders and strikers absent at the same time.
>>>> Rooney, Fletcher, Hargreaves
>>>> When United had 8-9 defenders out injured a couple of seasons ago, >>>> that weren't a valid excuse. Giggs and Fletcher had to play in the >>>> back positions. Injuries are part of the game and you just have to >>>> cope.
>>> Love your posts Jesper but your English is slipping. Did you split up >>> with your Scottish girlfriend?
>> Yes actually :-)... I'll try to sharpen up. Got 115 in a toefl test the >> other day, so maybe it's overconfidence ;-)
> I used to teach English literature at NUIG. I also taught EFL informally > with a small group of Spanish students. If you ever need help on a point > of grammar in your Benitez rants please don't hesitate to mail My > secretary.
>> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say “that’s >> really bad luck”. I mean, that’s really fucking bad luck.
>> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain >> have sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. >> Liverpool paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a >> wreck. But Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for >> almost everything. >> Defensive changes
> All teams cope with that...
What a miracle you have provided there. What other choice do they have otherwise?
>>> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say "that's >>> really bad luck". I mean, that's really fucking bad luck.
>>> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain >>> have sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. >>> Liverpool paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a >>> wreck. But Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for >>> almost everything. >>> Defensive changes
>> All teams cope with that...
> What a miracle you have provided there. What other choice do they have > otherwise?
Exactly. So no point whining about it. Prepare for the eventuality and deal with it. It's silly to 'build' a squad of 40 players and then still rely on very few players, who 'has' to stay fit.
There'll be no players playing 60+ games, injuries or not.
>>>> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say "that's >>>> really bad luck". I mean, that's really fucking bad luck.
>>>> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain >>>> have sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. >>>> Liverpool paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a >>>> wreck. But Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for >>>> almost everything. >>>> Defensive changes
>>> All teams cope with that...
>> What a miracle you have provided there. What other choice do they have >> otherwise?
> Exactly. So no point whining about it. Prepare for the eventuality and > deal with it. It's silly to 'build' a squad of 40 players and then still > rely on very few players, who 'has' to stay fit.
> There'll be no players playing 60+ games, injuries or not.
>>>>> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say "that's >>>>> really bad luck". I mean, that's really fucking bad luck.
>>>>> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain >>>>> have sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. >>>>> Liverpool paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a >>>>> wreck. But Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for >>>>> almost everything. >>>>> Defensive changes
>>>> All teams cope with that...
>>> What a miracle you have provided there. What other choice do they have >>> otherwise?
>> Exactly. So no point whining about it. Prepare for the eventuality and >> deal with it. It's silly to 'build' a squad of 40 players and then still >> rely on very few players, who 'has' to stay fit.
>> There'll be no players playing 60+ games, injuries or not.
> I wasn't whining was i?
'Torres comes back from Spain injured, boohoo...and Rafa gets the blame'
No he doesn't. He gets the blame for not having a proper replacement when the inevitable happens. Had Torres never played for Spain, he'd still be injured now and then.
>>>>>> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say "that's >>>>>> really bad luck". I mean, that's really fucking bad luck.
>>>>>> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain >>>>>> have sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. >>>>>> Liverpool paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a >>>>>> wreck. But Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for >>>>>> almost everything. >>>>>> Defensive changes
>>>>> All teams cope with that...
>>>> What a miracle you have provided there. What other choice do they have >>>> otherwise?
>>> Exactly. So no point whining about it. Prepare for the eventuality and >>> deal with it. It's silly to 'build' a squad of 40 players and then still >>> rely on very few players, who 'has' to stay fit.
>>> There'll be no players playing 60+ games, injuries or not.
>> I wasn't whining was i?
> 'Torres comes back from Spain injured, boohoo...and Rafa gets the blame'
> No he doesn't. He gets the blame for not having a proper replacement when > the inevitable happens. Had Torres never played for Spain, he'd still be > injured now and then.
I don't see where i said that in this thread, do you?
>>>>>>> All teams have injuries, but there comes a time when you say "that's >>>>>>> really bad luck". I mean, that's really fucking bad luck.
>>>>>>> Injuries to Reds on international duty is a massive concern; Spain >>>>>>> have sent Torres back in strapping on four or five occasions now. >>>>>>> Liverpool paid £20m for him, pay his wages, and they send back a >>>>>>> wreck. But Benítez will be blamed for these injuries, as he is for >>>>>>> almost everything. >>>>>>> Defensive changes
>>>>>> All teams cope with that...
>>>>> What a miracle you have provided there. What other choice do they have >>>>> otherwise?
>>>> Exactly. So no point whining about it. Prepare for the eventuality and >>>> deal with it. It's silly to 'build' a squad of 40 players and then >>>> still rely on very few players, who 'has' to stay fit.
>>>> There'll be no players playing 60+ games, injuries or not.
>>> I wasn't whining was i?
>> 'Torres comes back from Spain injured, boohoo...and Rafa gets the blame'
>> No he doesn't. He gets the blame for not having a proper replacement when >> the inevitable happens. Had Torres never played for Spain, he'd still be >> injured now and then.
> I don't see where i said that in this thread, do you?
No GBU was whining about Torres coming back injured. I said 'cope with it'. You said there is no other choice. We agree, and I said so no point 'whining'. I was commenting on the original post in the thread. It wasn't you whining.
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