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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:33:33 +0200
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Deadly Disease Eliminated in Children under Five Years of Age in Uganda

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http://www.gavialliance.org/media_centre/press_releases/2008_03_10_ug...

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Deadly Disease Eliminated in Children under Five Years of Age in Uganda
Nearly 100 Percent Drop in Hib Meningitis as a Result of Widespread Vaccination

GENEVA, SWITZERLAND, 10 March 2008 - Hib meningitis has been virtually
eliminated in young children in Uganda just five years after the country
introduced Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) vaccine nationwide, according to
an independent study.

Haemophilus influenzae type b is a leading cause of pneumonia and meningitis, an
inflammation of the lining covering the brain and spinal cord. Each year, Hib
kills approximately 400,000 children under five years of age, most of them in
the developing world. It is also responsible for approximately three million
cases of serious illnesses resulting in long-term consequences such as deafness,
paralysis, mental retardation and learning disabilities. The positive results
are outlined in a study to be published in the April issue of The Bulletin of
the World Health Organization, an independent peer-reviewed international public
health journal. Advanced publication of the study can be found at
http://www.who.int/bulletin/publish_ahead_of_print/en/index.html

Upon monitoring occurrence of bacterial meningitis due to Hib between 2001 to
2006, the study&rsquo;s authors saw marked decline in the disease resulting from
implementation of a new vaccination program. Where monitored, the incidence rate
dropped by 85 percent within four years of vaccine introduction and fell to zero
in the fifth year. The authors estimate that Hib vaccine in the Ugandan
immunisation programme now prevents almost 30,000 cases of severe Hib disease
and 5,000 child deaths (under five years) annually, equivalent to the successful
control of measles in the country.

Funding for Hib vaccine is a major part of the GAVI Alliance's (formerly known
as the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation) programme support to
Uganda. With GAVI support, Uganda was able to introduce 16.5 million doses of
Hib vaccines nationwide from 2002 to 2006. The government chose to use what is
known as a pentavalent vaccine - a 5 in 1 injection that includes vaccines for
Hib as well as diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and hepatitis B.

"GAVI welcomes these extremely positive results" said Dr Julian Lob-Levyt,
Executive Secretary of the GAVI Alliance. "Thanks to the collaborative efforts
of the Ugandan Ministry of Health, the WHO, UNICEF and other partners, we can
applaud a true success in controlling this deadly disease that has too often
claimed so many lives."

Uganda was one of the first GAVI-eligible countries to adopt Hib vaccine,
preceding what is now a global trend. According to a recent report released by
WHO, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Hib Initiative,
between 2004 and 2007 the proportion of the 72 poorest countries eligible for
GAVI support using or approved to use Hib vaccine increased from 18 percent to
65 percent. In November, the GAVI board approved additional funding for Hib
vaccine, bringing the total number of countries with approved proposals to 44.

"This is excellent news for the future generations of Ugandanchildren. Uganda
has been afrontrunner in the Africa region in adopting this life-saving vaccine.
The leadership of early introducers such as Uganda, Kenyaand The Gambia
hasstronglyinfluencedthe decisions of many other countries in the region to
adoptHib vaccine. Today, 83% of the GAVI-eligible countries in Africa have now
included or will soon include Hib vaccine in their national immunization
programmes&rdquo; says Rana Hajjeh, Director of the Hib Initiative.

"We are proud of the results of this study. It's encouraging to know that these
kinds of interventions in Uganda and elsewhere are making a significant
contribution towards achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing
mortality in children less than 5 years of age," says Dr Sam Zaramba, Director
General of Uganda Ministry of Health "And GAVI's support was catalytic in
allowing us to tackle this disease quickly and efficiently."

The Government of Uganda recently committed national resources to procure Hib
vaccine for its infant immunisation programme, in line with the GAVI
co-financing policy.

"The introduction of Hib vaccine has now completely changed the epidemiology of
bacterial meningitis in Uganda, with elimination of meningitis due to Hib as a
public health problem" says Dr Kekitiinwa - Pediatrician at Mulago Hospital,in
Kampala Uganda, co-author of the study. "High quality surveillance has allowed
us to understand and monitor those trends to ensure the quality of the
immunisation programme, improve collaboration between clinicians and
laboratories and inform on drug susceptibility for the common organisms."

Although Hib vaccines for infants were first licensed in 1991 and have since
been widely adopted in industrialised countries, they have not been used
extensively in the developing world due to multiple barriers such as limited Hib
disease awareness, uncertainty about the burden of disease and concerns about
the financial and logistical implications of vaccine introduction. It took
almost 15 years for the Hib vaccine to be introduced in developing countries
after it was first licensed.

There are efforts underway to bridge this gap by reducing the number of years
developing countries have to wait to benefit from new vaccines. In 2007, a pilot
Advance Market Commitment (AMC) was announced, aiming at accelerating the
introduction of new vaccines in poor countries.

The Uganda results follow similar results found in Bangladesh, Kenya, Chile, the
Gambia, the United Kingdom, and United States. These studies have all concluded
that Hib vaccine cuts the incidence of disease by 88% or more within 3 to 5
years.

In July 2007, a study from Bangladesh showed that routine immunisation of
infants with a Hib conjugate vaccine prevented over one third of
life-threatening pneumonia cases and approximately 90% of Hib meningitis cases.

A Kenyan study in 2006 showed that the Hib vaccine cut the incidence of disease
by 88% within 3 years. The authors say that vaccinating against the bacterium
Haemophilus influenzae type b prevented approximately 3,370 Kenyan children from
being hospitalised in 2005.

The authors say that prior studies have shown that for every child with Hib
meningitis in developing countries, there may be 5 to 10 others with Hib-related
pneumonia, which is also preventable by vaccination. To achieve results more
quickly, the WHO position paper on Hib vaccine recommends that children at
highest risk, those under 2 years of age, be offered immunization at the time of
vaccine introduction.

The GAVI Alliance  

The GAVI Alliance is a public-private partnership of major stakeholders in
vaccines and immunisation. It includes developing country and donor governments,
the World Health Organization, UNICEF, the World Bank, the vaccine industry in
both industrialised and developing countries, research and technical agencies,
NGOs, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and other private philanthropists. WHO
projections show that GAVI support has prevented more than 2.9 million future
deaths by the end of 2007.

GAVI's efforts are critical to achieving the Millennium Development Goal on
child health, which calls for reducing childhood mortality by two thirds by
2015. Of the 10 million children who die before reaching their fifth birthday
every year, 2.5 million die from diseases that could be prevented with currently
available or new vaccines.

For more information, please visit: http://www.gavialliance.org

The Hib Initiative

In December 2005, the GAVI Alliance launched a $37 million program called the
Hib Initiative, which unites infectious disease experts from Johns Hopkins
Bloomberg School of Public Health, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical
Medicine, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and WHO to
advance evidence-informed decision-making regarding the use of Hib vaccine in
the developing world. An estimated 3 million cases of Hib disease occur each
year in children under the age of 5 years, resulting in approximately 400,000
deaths. For

more information, please visit: http://www.hibaction.org

For more information, please contact:
GAVI Alliance:
Jeffrey Rowland, (Geneva)
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Carol Vieira (New York)
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Michel Aublanc (Paris)
+33 6 08 71 97 95 mobile
michel.aublanc [bat] wanadoo.fr
Cathy Bartley (London)
+44 208 694 9138 office
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cathy.bartley [bat] bartley-robbs.co.uk
Claudio Tanca(Rome)
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ctanca [bat] apcoworldwide.com

B-roll:
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http://www.gavialliance.org/media_centre/videos/broadcast/index.php

Hib Initiative:
Lois Privor-Dumm
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From: "john" <nos...@bt.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:36:44 +0100
Local: Thurs 15 Oct 2009 22:36
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life
Woman Says Flu Shot Triggered Rare Disorder

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=92345&catid=158

14 Oct 2009

ASHBURN, Va. (WUSA) -- Many of you have been lining up to get the seasonal
flu shot. But there is one Ashburn woman who wants you to hear her story
before you do.

Desiree Jennings is trapped in her body. Intellectually she's all there, but
her muscles are fighting each other. She's been diagnosed with dystonia, an
extremely rare and debilitating neurological disease.

She says after taking the seasonal flu shot she witnessed her body's rapid
decline. She doesn't know what else it could be but she has serious
questions about the seasonal flu shot. The Centers for Disease Control
cannot comment on her case.
Desiree was a healthy 25-year-old up until two months ago, working at AOL
and as a Redskins cheerleading ambassador.

But her world has now been turned upside down.

Desiree has trouble talking and speaks in a staccato rhythm.

She says, "It's a battle every day because when I wake up I think it's going
to be normal, but then I'm quickly reminded that's not going to be the
case."

She says 10 days after getting a seasonal flu shot at a Reston grocery store
in August, and on her second wedding anniversary, she got sick. First, she
came down with flu like symptoms, then convulsions and blacking out.

She's seen more than 60 doctors. She says all of them were stumped until
Johns Hopkins diagnosed her with dystonia. She believes her seasonal flu
shot triggered it.

Desiree says, "Nothing else explains such a fast moving neurological damage.
The medical hospitals ruled out everything, CAT scans normal, blood normal,
MRI normal. The only thing that explains it is the shot caused the
neurologic damage."

She says it is a strange disorder where muscles work against each other. She
can't walk forward, only backwards. She can run, but she can't stop without
help. She can whisper but has difficulty speaking. Noises can cause
convulsions. Her resting heart rate is 90. When she runs her blood pressure
dips to 58. She gets exhausted walking a few steps but she could run for
hours.

Drugs such as valium and klonopin that make other people sleepy give her
energy for hours.

Simple exercises become nearly impossible.

Desiree's husband, Brendan, says, "It gets worse everyday. It's
heartbreaking to see."

Desiree says the disease is irreversible. Once she loses an ability it
doesn't come back. She says there are only three ways you can get dystonia
as an adult and they include head trauma, drug use, and poisoning. She says
she has not experienced any of that.

There is no cure. One in a million are diagnosed with the disease. She says
she just wants healthy people to talk to their doctors and weigh the risk.

While the Centers for Disease Control cannot comment directly on this case,
they say they have no knowledge of a link between the seasonal flu shot and
dystonia.

Written by Surae Chinn
9NEWS NOW & wusa9.com


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 More options 15 Oct, 22:44
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From: Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:44:05 +0200
Local: Thurs 15 Oct 2009 22:44
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:36:44 +0100, "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote:
>Woman Says Flu Shot Triggered Rare Disorder

>http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=92345&catid=158

>14 Oct 2009

http://www.gavialliance.org/media_centre/press_releases/2009_08_11_in...

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18 million Indian children to receive life-saving five-in-one vaccine

One of the millions of Indian children set to benefit from the pentavalent
vaccine. Copyright: UNICEF/2005/Pallava Bagla
US$165 million grant from GAVI will kick off massive introduction of new
vaccine.

Geneva, 11 August 2009 –More than 18 million children in India will be immunised
with a pentavalent five-in-one vaccine thanks to funding worth US$ 165 million
from the GAVI Alliance, a public-private partnership which brings together all
key players in immunisation including the Indian government, the World Health
Organization, UNICEF, donors, industry and the Hib Initiative.

A decision by the GAVI Alliance’s Executive Committee in Geneva announced today
paves the way for the introduction of the combination vaccine in India, where
some 27 million children are born each year. This is the first phase of a
national roll-out which will start in 10 states.

The decision to approve the funding was communicated to Indian Health Minister
Ghulam Nabi Azad by GAVI Alliance Deputy CEO Helen Evans  on Monday 10 August.

Ninety percent of world's poorest children
“India’s important and far-sighted decision to introduce the pentavalent vaccine
will bring the country and the world significantly closer to achieving
Millennium Development Goal 4"
GAVI CEO, Dr. Julian Lob-Levyt

The pentavalent vaccine protects against five potential killers -- diphtheria,
tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), hepatitis B, and Haemophilus influenzae
type b (often known as Hib) which causes some severe forms of pneumonia and
meningitis. Children need to be vaccinated three times before they can be
considered fully immunised.

While children in all countries are routinely immmunised against diphtheria,
tetanus, pertussis and increasingly hepatitis B, the introduction of this
pentavalent vaccine in India, will mean that now more than 90% of the world’s
poorest children will be vaccinated against Hib.

Globally, Hib kills more than 370,000 children under five every year; nearly 20%
of these children die in India. Survivors are often permanently paralyzed,
deafened or brain damaged.

Routine introduction of Hib vaccine has been proven to prevent the majority of
severe bacterial meningitis and up to one third of life-threatening cases of
bacterial pneumonia, the leading infectious cause of death in children
worldwide.

Critical step

“The introduction of the pentavalent vaccine in India is a critical step in our
government’s efforts to protect all Indian children from deadly diseases,” said
India’s Health Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad.

“We are glad to be working with the GAVI Alliance to turn this long-held vision
into a reality for millions of families. I am extremely thankful to GAVI for
assistance given for pentavalent vaccine.”

“India’s important and far-sighted decision to introduce the pentavalent vaccine
will bring the country and the world significantly closer to achieving
Millennium Development Goal 4, which aims to reduce child mortality by
two-thirds by 2015,” said Dr. Julian Lob-Levyt.

“With such a significant number of pneumonia deaths occurring in India, we are
pleased to see India recognising the importance of adding protection against Hib
while continuing to work on strengthening routine immunisation."

One of largest-ever GAVI grants

In one of its largest-ever single grants, GAVI will fund the first two years of
pentavalent vaccine introduction in India. In the first year, the pentavalent
vaccine will reach more than 10 million children in 10 states -- about 40
percent of India’s total number of babies born each year.

By funding the introduction of the pentavalent vaccine, GAVI will equip India to
expand its use in the rest of the country.

Pneumonia control strategy

“Introduction of Hib vaccine in India will save thousands of children’s lives,”
said Panna Choudhury, President of the Indian Academy of Pediatrics.

“Routine use of Hib vaccine is an essential piece of a comprehensive pneumonia
control strategy to reduce the disease's terrible burden on children.”

"No child should die or suffer from this preventable disease,” said Dr. Mathuram
Santosham, executive committee member of the Hib Initiative at Johns Hopkins
Bloomberg School of Public Health.

“Hib vaccine is a safe, effective intervention that has been used for more than
nearly 20 years in developed countries. Where used routinely in countries such
as Kenya, Uganda and the Gambia, it has been proven to virtually eliminate Hib
disease.”

Pentavalent vaccine is now available from Indian suppliers and is expected to be
used both in children in India and around the world. With increasing demand,
this indigenous supply will play an important role in saving children’s lives.

The GAVI Alliance
The GAVI Alliance is a Geneva-based public-private partnership aimed at
improving health in the world’s poorest countries. The Alliance brings together
developing country and donor governments, the World Health Organization, UNICEF,
the World Bank, the vaccine industry in both industrialised and developing
countries, research and technical agencies, NGOs, the Bill & Melinda Gates
Foundation and other private philanthropists. GAVI support consists of providing
life-saving vaccines and strengthening health systems. Since 2000, 213 million
children have been vaccinated and 3.4 million premature deaths averted thanks to
GAVI-funded programmes. For more information, please visit: www.gavialliance.org
The Hib Initiative
The Hib Initiative unites experts from Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public
Health, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, the World Health
Organization, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and
provides technical, coordination and communication support to countries making
decisions regarding the use of Hib vaccine. The Hib Initiative is supported by a
4-year grant from the GAVI Alliance. The Hib vaccine is being used or will soon
be used in at least 62 developing countries eligible for support from the GAVI
Alliance. For more information, visit www.hibaction.org

For more information, please contact:

Dan Thomas
GAVI Alliance
Tel: +41.22.909.6524
Mobile: +41 79 251 8581
dtho...@gavialliance.org

Ariane Leroy
GAVI Alliance
Tel: +41.22.909.6521
Mobile: +41 79 340 1878
ale...@gavialliance.org

Rose Reis
Hib Initiative
Tel: +1- 410-502-4283
rr...@jhsph.edu

Dr. Sunil D. Khaparde
India’s Ministry of Health & Family Welfare
Mobile: + 91-9958097015
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From: "JohnSmith" <some...@microsoft.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:31:21 -0600
Local: Sat 24 Oct 2009 00:31
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life

"john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote in message

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> She's been diagnosed with dystonia, an extremely rare and debilitating
> neurological disease.
>She doesn't know what else it could be

a common effect in dumb people.

> She says 10 days after getting a seasonal flu shot at a Reston grocery
> store in August, and on her second wedding anniversary, she got sick.
> First, she came down with flu like symptoms, then convulsions and blacking
> out.

sore throat?  headache?  NO, she barfed.  not a h1n1 symptom DUMBASS

> She believes her seasonal flu  shot triggered it.
> Desiree says, "Nothing else explains such a fast moving neurological
> damage.

except for dystonia

> The medical hospitals ruled out everything, CAT scans normal, blood
> normal, MRI normal. The only thing that explains it is the shot caused the
> neurologic damage."

Not at all, this is a dumb uneducated girl talking.

 > She says it is a strange disorder where muscles work against each other.
She

> Desiree's husband, Brendan, says, "It gets worse everyday. It's
> heartbreaking to see."

> Desiree says the disease is irreversible. Once she loses an ability it
> doesn't come back. She says there are only three ways you can get dystonia
> as an adult and they include head trauma, drug use, and poisoning.
> While the Centers for Disease Control cannot comment directly on this
> case, they say they have no knowledge of a link between the seasonal flu
> shot and dystonia.

WELL, there you go.  no link.  thanks for posting this debunking.
I new it was horseshit!  lol

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From: The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:45:50 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat 24 Oct 2009 00:45
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life
On Oct 23, 7:31 pm, "JohnSmith" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:

It appears that while Ms Jennings sincerely believes that she is a
victim of a adverse vaccine reaction, she is much more likely
suffering from psychogenic dystonia.  The facts, not her conjecture,
are what really matters.  It is impossible to get the flu from the
vaccine.  Also, she accepts the Johns Hopkin's diagnosis of dystonia,
but not the fact that they refer to her case as an example of
Psychogenic Dystonia.

http://www.examiner.com/x-13791-Baltimore-Disease-Prevention-Examiner...

On the October 16, 2009, Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor", Dr.
Leigh Vinocur from the University of Maryland Medical System offered
an alternative cause to Ms. Jennings' syndrome. Dr. Vinocur stated
that there have been no cases of dystonia associated with the flu
vaccine and that neurology experts at the University of Maryland were
using Ms. Jennings' case to teach neurology residents about
psychogenic dystonia.

Dystonia is a neurological disorder where twitches and other
repetitive, involuntary reactions occur. Normally, these repetitive
actions do not let up. In the interview videos, Ms. Jennings' symptoms
subside at times. According to Dr. Vinocur, neurologists saw the video
and were convinced it was psychogenic.

Psychogenic disorders do not mean that a person is faking their
symptoms. Rather, it means that the person truly believes that the
symptoms are real. However, there is no physiological reason for the
symptoms. It truly is all in their head. Examples include phantom limb
syndrome, where a hand that has been amputated along with a limb is
felt by the person as being clinched or still being there.
Psychotherapy or some medications to treat the mental issues can help
deal with psychogenic disorders.

Another important detail in Ms. Jennings' story is that she acquired
flu from the flu vaccine. This is a scientific impossiblity. The flu
virus in the injected vaccine is dead, inactive. In the solution being
injected, the virus has no cells in which to live and reproduce.
Viruses are, by definition, obligate intracellular parasites. They
need cells to live, grow, and reproduce. There has been no recorded
case of acquired flu from the flu shot vaccine. Likewise, if true, Ms.
Jennings would be the first case of dystonia as a result of the flu
vaccine. Furthermore, the Food and Drug Administration did not find
anything wrong or different about the lot of vaccine used.


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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life
On Oct 23, 7:31 pm, "JohnSmith" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:

Not only that, but dystonia is genetic:

http://www.dystonia-foundation.org/pages/faq_causes/104.php


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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:29:09 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life
On Oct 23, 7:45 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Of course not.  With their vested interests and lies.
Seeing is believing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4MIm1mB7GM

http://www.medicalconsumers.org/pages/FluVaccinesDoNotWorkforKidsorth...

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_70107.html

Kids' Flu Shot Largely Ineffective Over Past Few Years
Study finds it didn't keep them from hospitals, doctors' offices

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080829091323.htm

Flu Shot Does Not Reduce Risk Of Death, Research Shows

Not enough proof that flu shots work, researcher warns
Last Updated: Friday, October 27, 2006 | 2:03 PM ET
The Canadian Press
There isn't enough evidence that the flu vaccine is effective to
support public programs advocating widespread use of flu shots, a
controversial vaccine epidemiologist suggests.

In a commentary in Friday's British Medical Journal, Dr. Tom Jefferson
argues that large-scale, long-term randomized controlled trials — the
gold standard for generating scientific evidence — should be
"urgently" undertaken to determine if flu shot programs are achieving
their goals of lowering rates of cases and deaths.

Not enough proof that flu shots work, researcher warns
Last Updated: Friday, October 27, 2006 | 2:03 PM ET
The Canadian Press
There isn't enough evidence that the flu vaccine is effective to
support public programs advocating widespread use of flu shots, a
controversial vaccine epidemiologist suggests.

In a commentary in Friday's British Medical Journal, Dr. Tom Jefferson
argues that large-scale, long-term randomized controlled trials — the
gold standard for generating scientific evidence — should be
"urgently" undertaken to determine if flu shot programs are achieving
their goals of lowering rates of cases and deaths.

 Flu Shot Season - Think twice before you shoot!
I'd like to repeat the Flu/Alzheimer's connection that
so many of you have asked about. According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the
world's leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our
times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual
has had five consecutive flu shots his/her chances of getting
Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or
no shots. I asked Dr. Fudenberg why this was so and he said it was due
to the mercury and aluminum that is in every flu shot (and some
childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the
brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Is that why Alzheimer's is
expected to quadruple? Notes: Recorded from Dr. Fudenberg's speech at
the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September,
1997. Quoted with permission. Alzheimer's to quadruple statement is
from John's Hopkins Newsletter Nov 1998. Dr. Fudenberg's web address
is www.nitrf.org. Interesting info on treating autism on the site.
Randall Neustaedter OMD author of The Vaccine Guide says this: The flu
vaccine gets the most-useless-vaccine-of-all-time award. Now the CDC
is recommending the vaccine for children under two years old and all
adults over 50. Don't fall for it.

Flu Facts

* Flu vaccine manufacturers are notoriously inaccurate at predicting
the appropriate viruses to use in an individual year's vaccine,
rendering the vaccine ineffective.

* Flu vaccine is relatively ineffective in those patients most at risk
of flu complications.

* The vaccine has caused GBS in recipients during several different
flu seasons.

* Those most at risk of flu complications probably share a higher risk
of adverse reactions to the flu vaccine as well.

Fluzone is the new flu vaccine for babies (recommended 6 months to 23
months). You can get it as a 0.25 mL prefilled syringe (for pediatric
use) and as a 0.5 mL prefilled syringe. Fluzone contains mercury: 25
µg mercury/0.5 mL dose. It also has chicken embryos and formaldehyde
and Sucrose, Sodium phosphate, Sodium Chloride, Mercury, Gelatin,
Polyethylene Glycol p-Isooctylphenyl Ether, Fluzone is the new flu
vaccine for babies (recommended 6 months to 23 months). You can get it
as a 0.25 mL prefilled syringe (for pediatric use) and as a 0.5 mL
prefilled syringe. Fluzone contains mercury: 25 µg mercury/0.5 mL
dose. It also has chicken embryos and formaldehyde and Sucrose, Sodium
phosphate, Sodium Chloride, Mercury, Gelatin, Polyethylene Glycol p-
Isooctylphenyl Ether, Fluzone is the new flu vaccine for babies
(recommended 6 months to 23 months). You can get it as a 0.25 mL
prefilled syringe (for pediatric use) and as a 0.5 mL prefilled
syringe. Fluzone contains mercury: 25 µg mercury/0.5 mL dose. It also
has chicken embryos and formaldehyde and Sucrose, Sodium phosphate,
Sodium Chloride, Mercury, Gelatin, Polyethylene Glycol p-
Isooctylphenyl Ether, Hemaggluttinin.

Kids' Flu Shot Largely Ineffective Over Past Few Years
Study finds it didn't keep them from hospitals, doctors' offices

MONDAY, Oct. 6 (HealthDay News) -- Over the past two flu seasons,
vaccinating children five and younger did not reduce the number of
child hospitalizations or doctor's visits linked to influenza,
according to results of a new study.

Given the poor match between the flu vaccine and circulating strains
during the last two years, "this finding is not surprising," said Dr.
Robert Belshe, a professor of medicine and pediatrics and director of
the Center for Vaccine Development at the Saint Louis University
Medical Center, who was not involved in the study.

"We know that the inactivated vaccine -- the flu shot -- doesn't work
real well in children, particularly when the virus has evolved and
drifted away from the type that is put in the vaccine," he said.
...

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Agreed. I see your posts and believe that you are one of most ignorant
people I have ever encountered.

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 CDC says they have no evedence. That means that they do not KNOW that it
did not. In fact, they know very little about what this stuff can do /
cause. Almost no testing. Unlike you who believes in horseshit. LOL!!

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Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life-Psychogenic Dystonia
On Oct 15, 4:27 am, "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote:

For those interested in Real Medical information:

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=1152

The Dystonia Flu-Shot Case
Published by Steven Novella under Neuroscience, Science and Medicine,

Robert E. Bartholomew is a social scientist who specializes in mass
delusions. He describes them here, in an article he wrote for the
NESS, but also in a longer article here for the Skeptical Inquirer and
in his several books. About mass delusions he writes:

A collective delusion is the term most commonly used by social
scientists to describe the relatively spontaneous spread of false
beliefs that do not occur in an organized, institutionalized or
ritualistic fashion.

Today, we live in a connected virtual community, and YouTube, Twitter,
Facebook, and blogs, in addition to traditional media, are the medium
through which community panic and delusions spread.

At this time there are two slow panics spreading through the community
– fear of the H1N1 “swine” flu pandemic, and fear of the vaccine to
prevent H1N1 flu. Regarding the pandemic itself  – this is a real
threat, it is just not known at this time how severe it will turn out
to be. So far it is looking like another seasonal flu in severity, but
with some different features, such as a greater tendency to severely
affect otherwise healthy individuals.

The panic over the vaccine, however, is entirely manufactured,
primarily by dedicated conspiracy theorists and anti-vaccinationists,
and then aided by irresponsible media. There have been two stories in
particular about alleged severe reactions following vaccines recently,
one dealing with the HPV vaccine and the recent cased of what is being
called dystonia following the seasonal flu vaccine. The young girl who
died within hours of getting the HPV vaccine was found to have a heart
defect, and her death had nothing to do with the vaccine, so that
story was rather short-lived.

The new case making the rounds, however, appears to have some legs. It
is getting international news attention, and I am being flooded with e-
mail requests to analyze the case.

This is the story of Desiree Jennings, who is a 28 year old
cheerleader who was apparently healthy until August when she received
the seasonal flu vaccine. Ten days later she developed a severe
respiratory illness, probably the flu, requiring hospitalization. She
then developed  an apparent neurological reaction in which she has
difficulty speaking and walking, with involuntary muscle contractions
and contortions. Her symptoms (including speech) are relieved,
however, by walking backwards or by running. She also seems to have
attacks of muscle contortions.

News reports are presenting her story as a rare vaccine reaction. Take
a look at the video of her movements on this news report also.

This case, of course, has been immediately picked up by the anti-
vaccine crowd. Generation Rescue, Jenny McCarthy’s anti-vaccine
organization, wasted no time in exploiting this poor girl for their
own agenda. She is now the latest poster child in the war against
vaccines.

The media is largely covered in fail over their reporting of this
case. They failed to ask basic journalistic questions – was the
illness Jennings suffered from due to the vaccine,  was it confirmed
as the flu, and was it the strain from the vaccine, was the incubation
period compatible with a vaccine-induced flu, did she get the live-
virus version of the vaccine, does she really have dystonia, has that
diagnosis been verified, are their other possibilities, and what is
the plausibility that it was caused by the vaccine?

None of these basic questions are addressed in the news reports –
instead we are given an emotional report of a “one in a million” (a
figure apparently pulled out of someone’s butt) vaccine reaction. Her
episodes are called “seizures” when they are almost certainly not
seizures. Her condition has also been called permanent and
irreversible – without any justification.

Normally I try to refrain from making medical diagnoses in public
cases – but Jennings has now inserted herself in to the anti-vaccine
movement, and is using her own case to “warn about the dangers of
vaccines.” To mitigate the damage to public health brought about by
misinformation in this case, I think it is necessary to provide some
expert opinion.

The movements and symptoms that Ms. Jennings displays on the public
videos I have seen (linked to above) are not compatible with the
diagnosis of dystonia, or any other movement disorder. Dystonia is one
type of involuntary contraction of muscles. It can be reduced or
exacerbated by certain movements or positions, and there are “task
specific” dystonia, such as writer’s cramp, that come out only with
certain activity. Jennings does not display the type of movements that
are consistent with dystonia. Her speech and movement are, however,
very suggestive of a psychogenic disorder.

This also seems to be the consensus opinion of experts who have viewed
this case. The Dystonia Medical Research Foundation had this to say
about the case:

Because of the concern of individuals with dystonia as to whether or
not to get a flu shot because of this reported case, we have sought
the opinion of dystonia experts on this case. Based on the footage
that has been shared with the public, it is their unanimous consensus
that this case does not appear to be dystonia.

The one news report that I saw that actually consulted an expert for
their opinion was Fox News. Leigh Vinocur, and emergency room
physician, was interviewed and relayed the opinion that the
neurologists she consulted were of the opinion that Jennings’ symptoms
were consistent with a psychogenic disorder. In other words – her
symptoms are not neurological, they are psychological. This does not
mean she has any insight or voluntary control over her symptoms – they
are involuntary and “real” – just not neurological in origin. Symptoms
such as this are not uncommon reactions to emotional stress in some
individuals. Given the evidence presented, I think this is a
reasonable opinion.

Dr. Vinocur also points out that there are no reported cases of true
dystonia resulting from the flu vaccine – this is not a known or
established vaccine reaction.

Here is another interview on Fox with a movement disorder specialist,
Dr. Stephen Grill, who concurs that (based upon the video, and not
personal examination) Ms. Jennings does not have true dystonia but
psychogenic dystonia.

It is therefore highly unlikely that whatever Jennings is suffering
from now had anything to do with the flu vaccine she received in
August. Unfortunately, this is not stopping irresponsible news
coverage or exploitation by anti-vaccinationists. Further, Jennings is
now in the hands of the Generation Rescue anti-vaccine quacks. I
predict that they will be able to “cure” her, because psychogenic
disorders can and do spontaneously resolve. They will then claim
victory for their quackery in curing a (non-existent) vaccine injury.

In addition to the public harm, Ms. Jennings herself is likely to be
harmed by the media attention her case is garnering. She likely could
benefit from proper medical attention of her condition. But now she is
publicly invested in her disorder, and is likely to accept care from
those with their own anti-vaccine agenda. It is difficult enough
dealing with psychogenic disorders without international public
attention and controversy.

The medical community is always careful to point out that there are
very rare reactions to vaccines. No one is claiming that they are 100%
safe – no medical intervention is. But severe reactions are very rare.
Meanwhile, about 36,000 people die each year in the US alone from the
seasonal flu. That figure is likely to be higher this year, as
seasonal strains are combined with the H1N1 strain to form a
particularly bad flu season. We are fortunate that there are vaccines
both for the seasonal flu and the H1N1 flu, which is particularly well
targeted because we know the strain.

Other measures for minimizing spread of the flu are, as always, also
important – wash your hands, stay home if you are ill, and avoid
contact with those with respiratory symptoms. But the vaccines are
likely to significantly reduce the spread and severity of the flu. And
yet, fear-mongering and misinformation, such as with the Jennings
case, are scaring people away from the vaccines, without good cause.


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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:29:47 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life Psychogenic Dystonia
On Oct 23, 7:29 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:

You have to know how to interpret what you see.

Psychogenic Dystonia

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=1152

Interpret this:

ii!ii


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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:37:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life-Psychogenic Dystonia
On Nov 2, 4:27 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 15, 4:27 am, "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote:

> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzOrohPEDS8

> For those interested in Real Medical information:

http://www.mixx.com/videos/8726173/youtube_jerry_emmons_puyallup_man_...

Jerry Emmons Puyallup man paralyzed after routine vaccination

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBcUQXNIMEk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxxYIeE0_p0&feature=related


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On Oct 23, 7:45 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Of course not.  With their vested interests and lies.
Seeing is believing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4MIm1mB7GM

http://www.medicalconsumers.org/pages/FluVaccinesDoNotWorkforKidsorth...

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_70107.html

Kids' Flu Shot Largely Ineffective Over Past Few Years
Study finds it didn't keep them from hospitals, doctors' offices

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080829091323.htm

Flu Shot Does Not Reduce Risk Of Death, Research Shows

Not enough proof that flu shots work, researcher warns
Last Updated: Friday, October 27, 2006 | 2:03 PM ET
The Canadian Press
There isn't enough evidence that the flu vaccine is effective to
support public programs advocating widespread use of flu shots, a
controversial vaccine epidemiologist suggests.

In a commentary in Friday's British Medical Journal, Dr. Tom
Jefferson
argues that large-scale, long-term randomized controlled trials — the
gold standard for generating scientific evidence — should be
"urgently" undertaken to determine if flu shot programs are achieving
their goals of lowering rates of cases and deaths.

Not enough proof that flu shots work, researcher warns
Last Updated: Friday, October 27, 2006 | 2:03 PM ET
The Canadian Press
There isn't enough evidence that the flu vaccine is effective to
support public programs advocating widespread use of flu shots, a
controversial vaccine epidemiologist suggests.

In a commentary in Friday's British Medical Journal, Dr. Tom
Jefferson
argues that large-scale, long-term randomized controlled trials — the
gold standard for generating scientific evidence — should be
"urgently" undertaken to determine if flu shot programs are achieving
their goals of lowering rates of cases and deaths.

 Flu Shot Season - Think twice before you shoot!
I'd like to repeat the Flu/Alzheimer's connection that
so many of you have asked about. According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the
world's leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of
our
times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual
has had five consecutive flu shots his/her chances of getting
Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or
no shots. I asked Dr. Fudenberg why this was so and he said it was
due
to the mercury and aluminum that is in every flu shot (and some
childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the
brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Is that why Alzheimer's is
expected to quadruple? Notes: Recorded from Dr. Fudenberg's speech at
the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September,
1997. Quoted with permission. Alzheimer's to quadruple statement is
from John's Hopkins Newsletter Nov 1998. Dr. Fudenberg's web address
is www.nitrf.org. Interesting info on treating autism on the site.
Randall Neustaedter OMD author of The Vaccine Guide says this: The
flu
vaccine gets the most-useless-vaccine-of-all-time award. Now the CDC
is recommending the vaccine for children under two years old and all
adults over 50. Don't fall for it.

Flu Facts

* Flu vaccine manufacturers are notoriously inaccurate at predicting
the appropriate viruses to use in an individual year's vaccine,
rendering the vaccine ineffective.

* Flu vaccine is relatively ineffective in those patients most at
risk
of flu complications.

* The vaccine has caused GBS in recipients during several different
flu seasons.

* Those most at risk of flu complications probably share a higher
risk
of adverse reactions to the flu vaccine as well.

Fluzone is the new flu vaccine for babies (recommended 6 months to 23
months). You can get it as a 0.25 mL prefilled syringe (for pediatric
use) and as a 0.5 mL prefilled syringe. Fluzone contains mercury: 25
µg mercury/0.5 mL dose. It also has chicken embryos and formaldehyde
and Sucrose, Sodium phosphate, Sodium Chloride, Mercury, Gelatin,
Polyethylene Glycol p-Isooctylphenyl Ether, Fluzone is the new flu
vaccine for babies (recommended 6 months to 23 months). You can get
it
as a 0.25 mL prefilled syringe (for pediatric use) and as a 0.5 mL
prefilled syringe. Fluzone contains mercury: 25 µg mercury/0.5 mL
dose. It also has chicken embryos and formaldehyde and Sucrose,
Sodium
phosphate, Sodium Chloride, Mercury, Gelatin, Polyethylene Glycol p-
Isooctylphenyl Ether, Fluzone is the new flu vaccine for babies
(recommended 6 months to 23 months). You can get it as a 0.25 mL
prefilled syringe (for pediatric use) and as a 0.5 mL prefilled
syringe. Fluzone contains mercury: 25 µg mercury/0.5 mL dose. It also
has chicken embryos and formaldehyde and Sucrose, Sodium phosphate,
Sodium Chloride, Mercury, Gelatin, Polyethylene Glycol p-
Isooctylphenyl Ether, Hemaggluttinin.

Kids' Flu Shot Largely Ineffective Over Past Few Years
Study finds it didn't keep them from hospitals, doctors' offices

MONDAY, Oct. 6 (HealthDay News) -- Over the past two flu seasons,
vaccinating children five and younger did not reduce the number of
child hospitalizations or doctor's visits linked to influenza,
according to results of a new study.

Given the poor match between the flu vaccine and circulating strains
during the last two years, "this finding is not surprising," said Dr.
Robert Belshe, a professor of medicine and pediatrics and director of
the Center for Vaccine Development at the Saint Louis University
Medical Center, who was not involved in the study.

"We know that the inactivated vaccine -- the flu shot -- doesn't work
real well in children, particularly when the virus has evolved and
drifted away from the type that is put in the vaccine," he said.

Kids' Flu ...

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suffer and die from drugs?

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Mark, why do you wish death on so many people?

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On Nov 2, 11:37 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 4:27 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Oct 15, 4:27 am, "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote:

> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzOrohPEDS8

> > For those interested in Real Medical information:

I did not write what you claimed I did. Thus, you are a liar.

Here is a link to factual information, which is well documented. Not
something from Stoopid's YouBOOB.


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On Nov 3, 7:15 am, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:b109b6f0-c9f5-4336-a005-58af4e54cd

Mark, why do you want people to

> suffer and die from drugs?

Strawman.

As for suffering, it is obvious that you are projecting your own.

You were born stupid.

Get over it.


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On Nov 3, 7:16 am, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:9925cc2b-6cc3-4cc7-b0ae
> Mark, why do you wish death on so many people?

Strawman. I wish health for all, even you.

Tikkun Olam


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Discussion subject changed to "Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life" by Mark Probert
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From: Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:19:34 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed 4 Nov 2009 22:19
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life
On Nov 2, 11:48 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:

Like I said, you have to know how to interpret what you are seeing.
And, anyway, merely seeing something does not prove causality.

All of you anti-vacs love to cite VAERS to prove causality, when it is
not designed for that. I went a-hunting and found this:

This VAERS report that may be Desiree Jennings:

http://www.examiner.com/x-13791-Baltimore-Disease-Prevention-Examiner...

Sore throat, nasal congestions, followed by fever, body aches, chills,
and headache.10/8/08 Medical records received, Dates of Service
10/2-10/3/09. Diagnosis: Weakness. Pt. experienced sore throat,
congestion, body aches, chills, headache, fatigue and fever 3 days
after receiving the influenza vaccine. The fatigue continued for
almost 2 weeks during which the patient continued to work, but on
9/12/09 she presented to the ED with generalized weakness,
lightheadedness and an episode of syncopy that was accompanied by
generalized convulsions. Admitted to the hospital from 9/12-9/14/09.
CK and LFT's were noted to be significantly elevated. Returned to work
on 9/17/09 and continued to experience nausea and syncope with all
over trembling and was readmitted to the hospital overnight. On 9/21
her PCP told her she had a positive ANA and lupus. Pt. began
experiencing chest pain, for which steroids were prescribed. She saw
an Infectious Disease MD on 9/22 and had a lumbar puncture which was
normal. Pt. began experiencing difficulty walking, chills, sweats,
tremors and vivid dreams with difficulty sleeping. She began having
headaches described as a ""cold spot"" on the back of her head, had
subsequently developed a stutter, but was able to speak clearly if she
whispered. Her symptoms persisted and progressed to erratic movements
of the toe, intermittent uncontrolled blinking, difficulty focusing,
uncontrolled shaking, cold feet and sharp pains in the legs. Upon this
admission the plan was to rule out GBS, MS, malignancy, Lyme and MG.
Pt. noted to have dystonia, speech dysfunction, gait dysfunction,
anxiety, SOB, photophobia, tinnitus in the left ear, and increase in
appetite, a 2 lb. weight loss. It was also noted that the symptoms
were worsened by warm water, especially at the knees. The admitting
neurologist felt that there was a strong psychogenic component to the
symptomology, and made a final diagnosis of weakness. 10/13/09 Medical
records received from dates 10/2/09-10/4/09 Presented to for eval of p
(REDACTED)"
(United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), Public
Health Service (PHS), Centers for Disease Control (CDC) / Food and
Drug Administration (FDA), Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System
(VAERS) 1990 - last week, CDC WONDER On-line Database Accessed at
http://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html on Nov 4, 2009 10:20:23 AM)

-x-x-x-x-x-x-x

Cue the anti-vacs to discount this in some manner.

PSYCHOGENIC DYSTONIA diagnosed by the treating doctors.


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Discussion subject changed to "Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life-Psychogenic Dystonia" by Jan Drew
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From: Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:09:49 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs 5 Nov 2009 00:09
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life-Psychogenic Dystonia
On Nov 2, 11:37 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 4:27 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Oct 15, 4:27 am, "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote:

> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzOrohPEDS8

> > For those interested in Real Medical information:

 http://www.mixx.com/videos/8726173/youtube_jerry_emmons_puyallup_man_...

Jerry Emmons Puyallup man paralyzed after routine vaccination


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From: "t" <tool...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:58:03 -0600
Local: Thurs 5 Nov 2009 00:58
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life
 Ummm, I think to be honest, we need a second or third diagnosis. It would
seem reasonable considering the possible implications of this case. By at
least one pro vacer and one less than pro. Where is House when we need him?
"Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Nov 2, 11:48 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:

Like I said, you have to know how to interpret what you are seeing.
And, anyway, merely seeing something does not prove causality.

All of you anti-vacs love to cite VAERS to prove causality, when it is
not designed for that. I went a-hunting and found this:

This VAERS report that may be Desiree Jennings:

http://www.examiner.com/x-13791-Baltimore-Disease-Prevention-Examiner...

Sore throat, nasal congestions, followed by fever, body aches, chills,
and headache.10/8/08 Medical records received, Dates of Service
10/2-10/3/09. Diagnosis: Weakness. Pt. experienced sore throat,
congestion, body aches, chills, headache, fatigue and fever 3 days
after receiving the influenza vaccine. The fatigue continued for
almost 2 weeks during which the patient continued to work, but on
9/12/09 she presented to the ED with generalized weakness,
lightheadedness and an episode of syncopy that was accompanied by
generalized convulsions. Admitted to the hospital from 9/12-9/14/09.
CK and LFT's were noted to be significantly elevated. Returned to work
on 9/17/09 and continued to experience nausea and syncope with all
over trembling and was readmitted to the hospital overnight. On 9/21
her PCP told her she had a positive ANA and lupus. Pt. began
experiencing chest pain, for which steroids were prescribed. She saw
an Infectious Disease MD on 9/22 and had a lumbar puncture which was
normal. Pt. began experiencing difficulty walking, chills, sweats,
tremors and vivid dreams with difficulty sleeping. She began having
headaches described as a ""cold spot"" on the back of her head, had
subsequently developed a stutter, but was able to speak clearly if she
whispered. Her symptoms persisted and progressed to erratic movements
of the toe, intermittent uncontrolled blinking, difficulty focusing,
uncontrolled shaking, cold feet and sharp pains in the legs. Upon this
admission the plan was to rule out GBS, MS, malignancy, Lyme and MG.
Pt. noted to have dystonia, speech dysfunction, gait dysfunction,
anxiety, SOB, photophobia, tinnitus in the left ear, and increase in
appetite, a 2 lb. weight loss. It was also noted that the symptoms
were worsened by warm water, especially at the knees. The admitting
neurologist felt that there was a strong psychogenic component to the
symptomology, and made a final diagnosis of weakness. 10/13/09 Medical
records received from dates 10/2/09-10/4/09 Presented to for eval of p
(REDACTED)"
(United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), Public
Health Service (PHS), Centers for Disease Control (CDC) / Food and
Drug Administration (FDA), Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System
(VAERS) 1990 - last week, CDC WONDER On-line Database Accessed at
http://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html on Nov 4, 2009 10:20:23 AM)

-x-x-x-x-x-x-x

Cue the anti-vacs to discount this in some manner.

PSYCHOGENIC DYSTONIA diagnosed by the treating doctors.


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From: Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:59:14 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs 5 Nov 2009 00:59
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life
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From: Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:09:29 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs 5 Nov 2009 01:09
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life
On Nov 4, 7:58 pm, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Ummm, I think to be honest, we need a second or third diagnosis. It would
> seem reasonable considering the possible implications of this case. By at
> least one pro vacer and one less than pro. Where is House when we need him?

Read the information carefully, The diagnosis was made by the doctors
treting her, not by anyone else. The report says:

"The admitting

> neurologist felt that there was a strong psychogenic component to the
> symptomology, and made a final diagnosis of weakness. "

The admitting neurologist, the one who was seeing and believing, made
the diagnosis.

And, the other article I posted, from Dr. Novella, is from an academic
neurologist who practices at Yale. Academic physicians are salaried,
and do not make an extra dime when they see patients.


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From: "t" <tool...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:22:01 -0600
Local: Thurs 5 Nov 2009 13:22
Subject: Re: Women Takes Flu Jab-She is Disabled For Life
 Exactly! Needs be diagnosis by doctors NOT involved in the case. Just
wanting to help everyone to be honest.
"Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Nov 4, 7:58 pm, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ummm, I think to be honest, we need a second or third diagnosis. It would
> seem reasonable considering the possible implications of this case. By at
> least one pro vacer and one less than pro. Where is House when we need
> him?

Read the information carefully, The diagnosis was made by the doctors
treting her, not by anyone else. The report says:

"The admitting

> neurologist felt that there was a strong psychogenic component to the
> symptomology, and made a final diagnosis of weakness. "

The admitting neurologist, the one who was seeing and believing, made
the diagnosis.

And, the other article I posted, from Dr. Novella, is from an academic
neurologist who practices at Yale. Academic physicians are salaried,
and do not make an extra dime when they see patients.


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