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Re: Outrage as Jesus portrayed as transsexual woman

2009-11-09T01:46:21Z

[Alwyn:]
(One common view among Christians who don't take Genesis 3 literally
is that "the Fall" isn't a single event but a description of the state
we're in. You can say "I'm totally screwed up" without there having
been any particular occasion when the screwing-up happened.)
I'm not Alwyn, but I'm guessing that you might be interested in

Re: Jesus the sinner?

2009-11-09T01:35:40Z

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:50:41 +0000, Gareth McCaughan
I think the key was that in the first instance Jesus went to the towns
and performed miracles yet still they did not repent.
The second instance was that Jesus was going to a town but they did
not welcome him, It was a samaritan village and they knew he was going

Re: Unemployed...........

2009-11-09T01:16:48Z

I wasn't: I was apologizing for being unclear and thereby obstructing
the free flow of debate.

Re: Outrage as Jesus portrayed as transsexual woman

2009-11-09T01:13:26Z

[me:]
[Eric Potts:]
[John:]
I am not convinced that substitutionary atonement implies (or even
nearly-implies) the sinlessness of Jesus.
(I am also not convinced that substitutionary atonement makes the
least bit of sense, but that's a separate issue. I mention it only
because if your response is along the lines of "go on then, show me

Re: Outrage as Jesus portrayed as transsexual woman

2009-11-09T01:09:39Z

Well, actually, there are various conditions he could have had
that would have made his sex somewhat indeterminate (or, more
precisely, made it not fit neatly into either of the usual
categories). There are people being born all the time for whom
neither "male" nor "female" is an entirely adequate description.

Re: Jesus the sinner?

2009-11-09T01:01:52Z

[me:]
..
As I said to John R., note that the timescale here has to be pretty
short. So yeah, it's *possible* that "his time had not yet come" on,
say, Monday, but on Tuesday it had[1], but that doesn't seem terribly
plausible. Especially as later in the same chapter we are told that
"his hour had not yet come", and again in the next chapter. Maybe

Re: Jesus the sinner?

2009-11-09T01:05:19Z

You're welcome to think that. It seems to me that usual Christian
attitudes to Jesus are very much dependent on the idea that his
opinions, attitudes and actions reflect something better than "the
attitudes of his people". (Whether that's true of your own attitude
to Jesus, I don't know for sure.)
That seems pretty far-fetched to me.

Re: Is this love?

2009-11-09T00:58:10Z

What, in your opinion, makes a true christian?
John

Re: Jesus the sinner?

2009-11-09T00:50:41Z

Probably not. But going up to Jerusalem for a major festival
was surely a bigger affair than popping down the road for
a quick pint. I repeat: it's possible that he just changed
his mind, but it seems rather odd to me on so short a
timescale.
The gospels don't contain much about Jesus's conversations with

Re: Outrage as Jesus portrayed as transsexual woman

2009-11-09T00:47:01Z

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:05:45 +0000, loiner2003
I refer the honourable gentleman to my reply to Alwyn :-)
John

Re: Outrage as Jesus portrayed as transsexual woman

2009-11-09T00:38:18Z

Personally I don't treat Genesis as literal but I think you can still
account for the fall if you use Adam & Eve as an allegory.
Can I ask what is your view on good and bad. Where does it come from
and why are some people more evil than others?
How do you view morality. Do you think morality is a good thing or

Re: Silent Confidence

2009-11-08T23:05:23Z

Thank you
Celia

Re: Outrage as Jesus portrayed as transsexual woman

2009-11-08T19:02:14Z

Would it be offensive to portray your mother as a reformed harlot? Why?
Phil

Re: Outrage as Jesus portrayed as transsexual woman

2009-11-08T19:01:16Z

Not scare quotes just quotes :-)
It is merciful to pardon the guilty and it is forgiving to bear the cost of
that forgiveness yourself.
Perfect justice will indeed do that :-) The bad will be punished and the
good will be rewarded.
I know they do.
What system is that. I don't think that all are saved and neither is it a

Contact Details Churches - Hoole Chester

2009-11-08T18:41:53Z

I hope you can help me, I'm looking for contact details of lively
churches in the Hoole area of Chester. If it helps they're for a 32 yr
old single woman with penti/charismatic/evangelical fellowship
background but ok with some denominational settings.
Best Regards in Jesus.
Ora