Yesterday I saw the section on the ninth commandment from J.John's DVDs on the ten commandments. Part of that included suggestions on reforming - he took from the Letter of James the lesson "don't gossip." However, the most general message seemed to be. "God loves you. God forgives your sins. Now make a fresh start and don't do that again."
I have two reactions to this: 1) Is this the best, most practical, advice for moral improvement that has been found in 2000+ years of experience? 2) If somebody showed that it was not the best approach, would the Christian religion consider this a great advance, an irrelevance, or a blow against the doctrine of forgiveness of sins?
I am asking this question because I think I have seen just enough to suggest that people have thought about this: a) Near the start of Part Two of Benjamin Franklin's autobiography, he describes how he kept a sort of score-card on himself, so that he did not transgress without noticing it, and to motivate himself. This is at least a proof of alternative approaches. (He claimed worthwhile improvement from his previous condition, but not by no means perfection). b) I know that monasteries had codified rules. From memory, these were framed as "do this; don't do this" rather than plans for increasing willpower or using it more efficiently. Am I wrong? Have they considered the problem? c) I have read popular accounts of an experiment in which young children are promised a second sweet if they can refrain from eating the first for some time. Success there was shown to be predictive of future success in life. Success there was also shown to flow from simple strategies, such as placing the first sweet out of sight. At least some experimentation is therefore being done, which may or may not agree with any schemes born from religious inspiration.
When people were asking the question "what would persuade more people to go to church," it occurred to me that expertise in self-discipline could be valuable, if proven. The rich world is full of people who might welcome help with restraint e.g. in eating and drinking. However, this idea died when I considered the plausibility of several local ministers as experts in attaining the ideal Body Mass Index :-). -- A.G.McDowell
In message <YA+KUUAto6wKF...@mcdowella.demon.co.uk> "A.G.McDowell" <mcdowe...@mcdowella.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Yesterday I saw the section on the ninth commandment from J.John's DVDs > on the ten commandments. Part of that included suggestions on reforming > - he took from the Letter of James the lesson "don't gossip." However, > the most general message seemed to be. "God loves you. God forgives your > sins. Now make a fresh start and don't do that again."
The advice you quote doesn't go into details of how to "not do that again". If you find that keeping a score card is useful, good for you. If you find that putting the temptation out of sight is better, do that.
It would be invidious for the church to be too specific about how to achieve victory over sin because a) everyone is different and what works for one will not work for another; and b) God is quite capable of guiding you without interference from the vicar.
>> Yesterday I saw the section on the ninth commandment from J.John's DVDs >> on the ten commandments. Part of that included suggestions on reforming >> - he took from the Letter of James the lesson "don't gossip." However, >> the most general message seemed to be. "God loves you. God forgives your >> sins. Now make a fresh start and don't do that again."
>The advice you quote doesn't go into details of how to "not do that >again". If you find that keeping a score card is useful, good for you. >If you find that putting the temptation out of sight is better, do >that.
>It would be invidious for the church to be too specific about how to >achieve victory over sin because a) everyone is different and what >works for one will not work for another; and b) God is quite capable >of guiding you without interference from the vicar.
But, Ken, sometimes God may *even* use vicars and preachers. Who knows? ;-)