Well yet more violent deaths committed by people who may be followers of allah. A policeman in Afghanistan stoots 5 British soldiers and now another hasan goes on the rampage in Texas killing 14 at the latest body count. And i guess we will hear ad nauseum the same old excuse...Islam is apeaceful religion Muslins are peaceful peeps....wouldnt harm a fly really and maan...i guess we would all let our daughters marry one too.......
My solution to Afghanistan is quite simple
Destroy the entire poppy crop Leave the country
End of. simple as that. And then let the entire country implode. Let them kill each other. And watch and see the international muslim brotherhood scamble funds and troops to help restore order......(ha ha))
We should have wasted the entire country....violence is the only language these idiots understand!!!
Look they kill our aid workers.....we send nice pretty young nurses over there because they want to help.....and the unspeakable &^*&&* slit their throats......there is no helping some people....
Hermeneutika wrote: > My solution to Afghanistan is quite simple
Your use of the word 'solution' implies that you think there's a problem. What do you think the problem is...
> Destroy the entire poppy crop > Leave the country
.. and how will those actions solve it?
-- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested.
> Your use of the word 'solution' implies that you think there's a > problem. What do you think the problem is...
>> Destroy the entire poppy crop >> Leave the country
> .. and how will those actions solve it?
It would solve it for us. No more NATO deaths. For what are the NATO soldiers dying? A corrupt government in Kabul? No pull the troops out, destroy their infrastructure, and leave them to it. Of course dont give them any aid as they would only kill the aid workers....pull out and leave the country to implode.
> > Your use of the word 'solution' implies that you think there's a > > problem. What do you think the problem is...
> >> Destroy the entire poppy crop > >> Leave the country
> > .. and how will those actions solve it?
> It would solve it for us. No more NATO deaths. For what are the NATO > soldiers dying? A corrupt government in Kabul? No pull the troops out, > destroy their infrastructure, and leave them to it. Of course dont give them > any aid as they would only kill the aid workers....pull out and leave the > country to implode.
I agree that NATO (especially UK) troops should pull out, but there is no reason to suppose that Afghanistan would "implode". It may well flourish as a corrupt, violent and ignorant society, like a good many others all over the world.
-- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested.
>> Your use of the word 'solution' implies that you think there's a >> problem. What do you think the problem is...
>>> Destroy the entire poppy crop >>> Leave the country
>> .. and how will those actions solve it?
> It would solve it for us. No more NATO deaths. For what are the NATO > soldiers dying? A corrupt government in Kabul? No pull the troops out, > destroy their infrastructure, and leave them to it. Of course dont > give them any aid as they would only kill the aid workers....pull out > and leave the country to implode.
Much as we did in 2000-2001 then - and look what happened to that.
Robert -- I believe in getting into hot water; it keeps you clean. -- G.K. Chesterton
>>> Your use of the word 'solution' implies that you think there's a >>> problem. What do you think the problem is...
>>>> Destroy the entire poppy crop >>>> Leave the country
>>> .. and how will those actions solve it?
>> It would solve it for us. No more NATO deaths. For what are the NATO >> soldiers dying? A corrupt government in Kabul? No pull the troops out, >> destroy their infrastructure, and leave them to it. Of course dont >> give them any aid as they would only kill the aid workers....pull out >> and leave the country to implode.
> Much as we did in 2000-2001 then - and look what happened to that.
You mean b4 911? When we in the West abandoned the regime in Afghanistan, and the Taliban took over? When they blew up the statues of Buddha? So you are saying that if we pull out then the situation would get worse?
The situation is bad already. Then we need to put pressure on the government in Kabul. However I do think that if the poppy crop was destroyed it would hit them where it really hurts. They dont mind dying. But without coin they would be stuffed. So destroy the crop.
> [...] However I do think that if the poppy crop was destroyed it would > hit them where it really hurts.
That would deprive many poor people of their livelihood. They shouldn't be blamed or punished for the habits of our youth.
-- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested.
>>>> Your use of the word 'solution' implies that you think there's a >>>> problem. What do you think the problem is...
>>>>> Destroy the entire poppy crop >>>>> Leave the country
>>>> .. and how will those actions solve it?
>>> It would solve it for us. No more NATO deaths. For what are the NATO >>> soldiers dying? A corrupt government in Kabul? No pull the troops >>> out, destroy their infrastructure, and leave them to it. Of course >>> dont give them any aid as they would only kill the aid >>> workers....pull out and leave the country to implode.
>> Much as we did in 2000-2001 then - and look what happened to that.
> You mean b4 911? When we in the West abandoned the regime in > Afghanistan, and the Taliban took over? When they blew up the statues > of Buddha?
Precisely
> So you are saying that if we pull out then the situation would get > worse?
Certainly in Afghanistan!! The moot point is whether that worseness would infect the rest of the region
> The situation is bad already. Then we need to put pressure on the > government in Kabul. However I do think that if the poppy crop was > destroyed it would hit them where it really hurts. They dont mind > dying. But without coin they would be stuffed. So destroy the crop.
But your original point was:
>>> No pull the troops out, destroy their infrastructure, and leave them >>> to it. Of course dont give them any aid as they would only kill the >>> aid workers
'leaving them to it' is not IMHO going to solve anything. If various idiot politicians hadn't decided an Iraq war was a good thing and thereby given the impression to the Muslim world that the West really didn't want them doing their own thing - and distracting the Afghanistan effort things would have been - maybe - more solvable
Robert -- I believe in getting into hot water; it keeps you clean. -- G.K. Chesterton
> [...] When we in the West abandoned the regime in Afghanistan, > and the Taliban took over?
The Taliban were armed by the US and the UK to support them in their fight against the Russians. When the Russians withdrew we lost interest.
-- Which of the seven heavens / Was responsible her smile / Wouldn't be sure but attested / That, whoever it was, a god / Worth kneeling-to for a while / Had tabernacled and rested.
In message <4AF6C1A0.7E15C...@tesco.net> Frederick Williams <frederick.willia...@tesco.net> wrote:
>> [...] However I do think that if the poppy crop was destroyed it would >> hit them where it really hurts. > That would deprive many poor people of their livelihood. They shouldn't > be blamed or punished for the habits of our youth.
More to the point, without any livelihood the poor farmers would be more likely to listen to the blandishments of bin Laden and accept $50 to go plant a bomb somewhere.
In message <pVYIm.2308$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com> "Hermeneutika" <hermeneutika...@ntlworld.com (nospam)> wrote:
> Well yet more violent deaths committed by people who may be followers of > allah. A policeman in Afghanistan stoots 5 British soldiers and now another > hasan goes on the rampage in Texas killing 14 at the latest body count. And > i guess we will hear ad nauseum the same old excuse...Islam is apeaceful > religion Muslins are peaceful peeps....wouldnt harm a fly really and > maan...i guess we would all let our daughters marry one too.......
I guess you are forgetting the several "Christian" American soldiers who have also shot their colleagues. Quite why Americans have this urge to shoot people when they are feeling blue I don't know. Is it their genes? Is it something in the water?
The majority of Muslims are indeed peaceful people, but just like football crowds over here, they can be stirred to acts of stupidity and violence. And no, I wouldn't let my daughter marry one.
> My solution to Afghanistan is quite simple > Destroy the entire poppy crop > Leave the country
Er - how would that stop them planting a new poppy crop next year?
> In message <pVYIm.2308$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com> > "Hermeneutika" <hermeneutika...@ntlworld.com (nospam)> > wrote:
>> Well yet more violent deaths committed by people who may be followers of >> allah. A policeman in Afghanistan stoots 5 British soldiers and now >> another >> hasan goes on the rampage in Texas killing 14 at the latest body count. >> And >> i guess we will hear ad nauseum the same old excuse...Islam is apeaceful >> religion Muslins are peaceful peeps....wouldnt harm a fly really and >> maan...i guess we would all let our daughters marry one too.......
> I guess you are forgetting the several "Christian" American soldiers > who have also shot their colleagues. Quite why Americans have this > urge to shoot people when they are feeling blue I don't know. Is it > their genes? Is it something in the water?
> The majority of Muslims are indeed peaceful people, but just like > football crowds over here, they can be stirred to acts of stupidity > and violence. And no, I wouldn't let my daughter marry one.
>> My solution to Afghanistan is quite simple >> Destroy the entire poppy crop >> Leave the country
> Er - how would that stop them planting a new poppy crop next year?
Well it wouldnt, but it would cause chaos for a year!!!
> In message <pVYIm.2308$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com> > "Hermeneutika" <hermeneutika...@ntlworld.com (nospam)> > wrote:
>> Well yet more violent deaths committed by people who may be followers of >> allah. A policeman in Afghanistan stoots 5 British soldiers and now >> another >> hasan goes on the rampage in Texas killing 14 at the latest body count. >> And >> i guess we will hear ad nauseum the same old excuse...Islam is apeaceful >> religion Muslins are peaceful peeps....wouldnt harm a fly really and >> maan...i guess we would all let our daughters marry one too.......
> I guess you are forgetting the several "Christian" American soldiers > who have also shot their colleagues. Quite why Americans have this > urge to shoot people when they are feeling blue I don't know. Is it > their genes? Is it something in the water?
> The majority of Muslims are indeed peaceful people, but just like > football crowds over here, they can be stirred to acts of stupidity > and violence. And no, I wouldn't let my daughter marry one.
>> My solution to Afghanistan is quite simple >> Destroy the entire poppy crop >> Leave the country
> Er - how would that stop them planting a new poppy crop next year?
I think after series of blunders by our western governments in that region, it has stirred things up to a level in reality that cannot be controlled by just leaving the country. I personally believe if the occupying powers pack up and leave or stay, it won't make a huge difference as one way or another the west by its own actions in the Afghanistan has set it self up by default to lose. The blind support and military arms aid to Israel is also an issue and I think the resistance to the occupying forces has its eyes set on things far further than just Afghanistan, Jerusalem is the real destination.
The west if it leaves the region, the march to Jerusalem might be called for, but if the west stays that inevitability will only be delayed for a period of time. The western population is waking up and wising up to the truth, regardless what the persons religion, people are realising these are not 'just wars', we (the west) are loosing in reality on all fronts, the western imposed puppet regime is found to be corrupt, the 'war' of hearts and minds is already lost amongst the people who actually live in the land (and that is what actually counts there is no use sweet talking the western population when the occupant does not want to be occupied) and that is due to the actions of the west once it invaded, there are far too many accounts of innocent people being killed, accounts of rape etc, and if one wants to show his/her anger against the western imposed forces the Taliban etc are a very popular choice perhaps they are the only choice.
Its simply a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.
-- Mohammed __
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (112, 1-4)
In message <EmcKm.3593$Ym4.3...@text.news.virginmedia.com> "Hermeneutika" <hermeneutika...@ntlworld.com (nospam)> wrote:
>>> My solution to Afghanistan is quite simple >>> Destroy the entire poppy crop >>> Leave the country >> Er - how would that stop them planting a new poppy crop next year? > Well it wouldnt, but it would cause chaos for a year!!!
So your solution to Afghanistan is to weaken the Afghan government for a year, give the people a grudge and a motive to attack us, and then let them start planting poppies and selling opium again, thereby giving them the money with which to buy arms so that they *can* attack us.
Perhaps a modicum of thought in advance of posting would be a good idea.
In message <rlXKm.4333$Ym4.1...@text.news.virginmedia.com> "Nobody" <whena...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> the western imposed puppet regime is found to be corrupt
While this is absolutely true, it is not clear to me that *any* government - but perhaps especially, any Islamic government - is any better, because nepotism and tribal influence is built into the system, quite apart from any questions of bribery and injustice.
> Its simply a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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