>> what would be the easiest route to reach kinder downfall for myself with
>> dodgy knees and my wife with limited stamina? and don't say helicopter!

> Gordons route is a good one. Slightly shorter would be to park
> at Bowden Bridge near Hayfield and follow the William Clough
> route to Ashop Head and then it's just a short pull up onto Kinder
> and an almost level walk to the Downfall. There's a fairly obvious
> and well-worn short-cut back West down the ridge to the north
> of Sandy Heys, but watch your knees.

>> I have done the William Clough route a couple of times a few years ago
>> and got attacked by a couple of geese with young un's. don't think the
>> good lady is up to it.