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Boo  
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 More options 30 Jun 2008, 10:45
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From: Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:45:02 +0100
Local: Mon 30 Jun 2008 10:45
Subject: Desert Island Lens' question
Hi,

Like Desert Island Discs only camera lenses instead of discs and the Coast to
Coast route instead of a desert island :

If you could only take one lens out of the following for a Canon 350D for 2
weeks away from home,  which lens would you pick and why ?

Lenses are :

18-55 f3.5-5.6      206g
17-85 f4.5-5.6 IS   500g
10-22 f3.5-4.5      420g

I'm interested to hear about other options as well but I won't be buying any new
ones this year at least...

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Christopher Loffredo  
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 More options 30 Jun 2008, 11:25
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From: Christopher Loffredo <m...@privacy.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:25:30 +0200
Local: Mon 30 Jun 2008 11:25
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question

My own "ideal" combination when travelling is (focal lengths on a film
camera, I assume you have a 1.5x crop factor):

An ultra-wide (18, 19 or 21mm), my "standard" 35mm and a short tele (85
or 90mm).

You'll notice no lens of about 50mm, but I rarely ever miss one.

Assuming your 1.5 crop factor, I'd go for either the 10-22 (= 15-33mm)
plus a short fixed tele (some off-brand 90mm macro lenses are
excellent), or the 18-55 (= 27-82mm) with a good fixed ultra-wide around
20mm.

If it really is a question of only one lens, then the 17-85 (= 26-127mm)
might do, if the extended zoom range doesn't at the cost of quality.

That is my take, someone else might say junk the zooms and only take a
50mm...  :-)

Chris


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Richard Spencer  
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 More options 30 Jun 2008, 11:53
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From: Richard Spencer <richard.spen...@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:53:46 GMT
Local: Mon 30 Jun 2008 11:53
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question
I'd take the 18-55 @206g!

I think I'd miss the extra 30mm of the 85, but not for 300g (less 6g).

Coast to Coast, I don't think that I'd miss the 10-22 atall - I found
myself last year in Salamanca with a 50-200, and very much missed the
Nikkor 18-135, but unless your route takes you through winding mediaeval
lanes, I don't think you'll need much in the way of wide angle.

I came to about 100m of a roe doe with new-born fawn this morning, and
happily had the Nikkor 70-300 on, but I still needed to crop a great
deal off!

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Phil Cook  
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 More options 30 Jun 2008, 15:33
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From: Phil Cook <p...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:33:43 +0100
Local: Mon 30 Jun 2008 15:33
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question

Oh can of worms time...

I have the 10-22 and 17-85 and most of the time I'm using the 10-22.
So if I absolutely had to take one lens and I was going to do
landscapes it would have to be the 10-22. However I wouldn't begrudge
the 17-85 a place in my bag. Nor would I want to leave the lightweight
tripod and panoramic mount behind either as I just know I would miss
them.

I wonder if in place of the 17-85 I might take a f/1.8 50mm if I had
such a beast. On the 350/400/450/1000 a 50mm comes out at an
equivalent of 80mm and with that huge aperture you wouldn't need the
IS of the 17-85.

Another option is a new camera :-) The Ricoh GX200 is looking very
tempting now that they have given it a decent buffer and increased the
write speed so you can use RAW all the time. A 24 to 72 mm equivalent
lens in a 111.6 mm × 58.0 mm × 25.0 mm body weighing 240g is probably
going to make its way into my pocket at some point in the future.
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Nick Mason  
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 More options 30 Jun 2008, 17:38
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From: Nick Mason <noem...@nospam.org>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:38:43 +0100
Local: Mon 30 Jun 2008 17:38
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question

Or even the Canon G9, a work colleague bought one last week in London
for £225

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Chris Gilbert  
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 More options 30 Jun 2008, 21:45
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From: "Chris Gilbert" <Ch...@ravenseye.plus.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:45:16 +0100
Local: Mon 30 Jun 2008 21:45
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question
Boo wrote

> Like Desert Island Discs only camera lenses instead of discs and the Coast
> to Coast route instead of a desert island :

> If you could only take one lens out of the following for a Canon 350D for
> 2 weeks away from home,  which lens would you pick and why ?

> Lenses are :

> 18-55 f3.5-5.6      206g
> 17-85 f4.5-5.6 IS   500g
> 10-22 f3.5-4.5      420g

> I'm interested to hear about other options as well but I won't be buying
> any new ones this year at least...

Weight ? does that count :-D

17-40 L ;-)

It all depends on what you want to use the lens for. If you're just
recording your memories then why not just take a good compact ?

Travelling *through* the landscape is not an aid to landscape
photography. It's an aid to travel photography.IMO.
But if it's a choice of one of the above then I'd take the 18-55.

Chris
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Bill Grey  
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 More options 30 Jun 2008, 22:36
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From: Bill Grey <w...@graigroad.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:36:58 +0100
Local: Mon 30 Jun 2008 22:36
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question
In message <5oSdnZBVTOVD2PTVnZ2dnUVZ8gidn...@posted.plusnet>, Chris
Gilbert <Ch...@ravenseye.plus.net> writes

>Weight ? does that count :-D

>17-40 L ;-)

Yeah! Quite a brick :-)

.....but what a lens!
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Chris Gilbert  
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 More options 30 Jun 2008, 22:46
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From: "Chris Gilbert" <Ch...@ravenseye.plus.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:46:46 +0100
Local: Mon 30 Jun 2008 22:46
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question
Bill Grey wrote

> .....but what a lens!

We're inseperable :-D

And on the 5D............wow.

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 More options 1 Jul 2008, 06:22
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From: "Paul Saunders" <p...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:22:57 +0100
Local: Tues 1 Jul 2008 06:22
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question

Boo wrote:
> If you could only take one lens out of the following for a Canon 350D
> for 2 weeks away from home,

Why would you only be able to take one lens? Is it illegal to carry more
than one lens on the C2C route? Are there camera police waiting to pounce
and arrest you? ;-)

If you only take one lens, that's a personal choice, not an actual
limitation.

> which lens would you pick and why ?

I think the real question is which lens do *you* want to carry, but since
you asked, the simple answer is...

It depends!

> Lenses are :

> 18-55 f3.5-5.6      206g
> 17-85 f4.5-5.6 IS   500g
> 10-22 f3.5-4.5      420g

First you need to determine your main objective. What is the point of this
walk? Is it to walk from A to B as efficiently, conveniently and as
enjoyably as possible? Or is it to capture a superb photographic record of
all the scenery enroute?

In other words, what's more important, the walk (i.e. travelling light), or
the photography?

Once you've decided this, the answer is simple.

If the walk (travelling light) is more important, take the 18-55.
If the photography is more important, take the 10-22 *and* the 17-85.

If you really must choose between the latter two, then it depends on what
kind of landscapes you prefer to take. The 17-85 has a better focal range
overall, giving a good range from moderate wide angle to moderate telephoto.
Given that it also has IS, I'd say it's pretty close to the ideal "travel"
lens, although not quite wide enough for my liking. (In the past I often
used to carry only a 24-48, which would be equivalent to 15-30 on a 350D).

If you're obsessed with wide angle photography, as I used to be, then the
10-22 would be the better choice, but you'd be stuffed if you wanted to zoom
into anything. This rarely bothered me when I was younger, but these days I
take a lot more telephoto shots. I'm now more interested in zooming into
details within the landscape rather than trying to "get it all in".

It really depends on what kind of shots you're looking for. If you're
looking for wide angle shots, that's what you'll find. If you're looking for
telephoto shots, that's what you'll find instead. I've found that looking
for one type of shot can blind you to the other. So it really depends on
what kind of shots you want to take.

If you have specific viewpoints in mind, a wide angle can work well, but if
you don't really know what to expect, the 17-85 would be more versatile. If
your photos are more opportunistic in nature, it's handy to be able to zoom
in and cut out distracting foreground features, which I think is more
appropriate for a *walk* as opposed to a *photo trip*. If you don't have a
wide angle but you really need one, you can always take a few shots at 17mm
and stitch them together later. Alternatively, if you only have the wide
angle but you need to zoom in, you'd have to crop the shot later, so you'd
lose a lot of resolution. This would probably be fine for website images,
but not for prints.

> I'm interested to hear about other options as well but I won't be
> buying any new ones this year at least...

I recently did a walk with my 400D and my G9. I put the 10-22 (16-35 equiv)
on my 400D, expecting it to be a good complement to the 35-210 (equiv) on my
G9 (giving a total coverage of 16-210). That arrangement would be a good
option if you had a G9.

However, the first shots I wanted to take required an even longer telephoto,
so I put the 90-300 on my 400D instead. It stayed there for the rest of the
walk. I took most of my shots on the G9 and I didn't take any wide angles at
all. I just don't seem to be looking for wide shots much anymore (or maybe
it was just that particular walk/location).

For lightweight travel in the past I've carried only the 18-55 and 90-300
(not a brilliant quality lens, but very light), but I have missed the 10-22
when I wanted to do some creative photography.

Paul
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Paul Saunders  
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 More options 1 Jul 2008, 06:28
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From: "Paul Saunders" <p...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:28:56 +0100
Local: Tues 1 Jul 2008 06:28
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question

Christopher Loffredo wrote:
> My own "ideal" combination when travelling is (focal lengths on a film
> camera, I assume you have a 1.5x crop factor):

It's 1.6x on the Canons.

> You'll notice no lens of about 50mm, but I rarely ever miss one.

That has to be the most boring focal length ever invented! I hate it! I
spent my first year of serious photography with only a 50mm lens, and it was
never long enough or wide enough!

> If it really is a question of only one lens, then the 17-85 (=
> 26-127mm) might do, if the extended zoom range doesn't at the cost of
> quality.

I think the quality is okay, but there's a *lot* of distortion at the wide
end. Still, that can be corrected in photo software so it's not the end of
the world.

> That is my take, someone else might say junk the zooms and only take a
> 50mm...  :-)

Most likely only an old person would say that. Cameras don't even come with
50mm lenses as standard anymore (and a bloody good thing too!)

Mind you, a 50mm lens is equivalent to an 80mm now, and that's quite
handy...

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 More options 1 Jul 2008, 06:38
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From: "Paul Saunders" <p...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:38:59 +0100
Local: Tues 1 Jul 2008 06:38
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question

Phil Cook wrote:
> I have the 10-22 and 17-85 and most of the time I'm using the 10-22.

Still hooked on those wide-angles Phil? Actually your panoramas are
excellent, so more power to you!

> So if I absolutely had to take one lens and I was going to do
> landscapes it would have to be the 10-22. However I wouldn't begrudge
> the 17-85 a place in my bag. Nor would I want to leave the lightweight
> tripod and panoramic mount behind either as I just know I would miss
> them.

Exactly, because you tend to go more for photo trips than lightweight walks.

> I wonder if in place of the 17-85 I might take a f/1.8 50mm if I had
> such a beast. On the 350/400/450/1000 a 50mm comes out at an
> equivalent of 80mm and with that huge aperture you wouldn't need the
> IS of the 17-85.

I don't think the 50mm would be terribly useful for general purpose
photography because the fixed focal length is so limiting. You'd be taking
it on and off all the time. On the other hand, it could be very useful for
more specialised uses, such as handheld photography in low light, shallow
DOF shots with a blurred background, or long exposure night photography
(star trails). I keep meaning to buy one for these very reasons, but I keep
forgetting.

Unfortunately the 50mm is a bit too long for general purpose low light
photography, a fast fixed wide-angle would be much better, but they're not
so fast, not so cheap and not so light unfortunately, nor such good quality.

> Another option is a new camera :-) The Ricoh GX200 is looking very
> tempting now that they have given it a decent buffer and increased the
> write speed so you can use RAW all the time. A 24 to 72 mm equivalent
> lens in a 111.6 mm × 58.0 mm × 25.0 mm body weighing 240g is probably
> going to make its way into my pocket at some point in the future.

Sounds good.

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 More options 1 Jul 2008, 06:42
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From: "Paul Saunders" <p...@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:42:34 +0100
Local: Tues 1 Jul 2008 06:42
Subject: Re: Desert Island Lens' question

Nick Mason wrote:
> Or even the Canon G9, a work colleague bought one last week in London
> for £225

I'll second that recommendation, a great general purpose snap camera. You
have to be more careful with the exposure though, even with RAW shots
(you'll be lucky to claw back 1/2 stop of over-exposure), and high contrast
edges can be a bit of a problem too.

Paul
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