Hi, I am looking to buy a small cruiser with the following criteria. Capable of being towed behind a Mercedes Vito Van Can be launched by two adults on most slipways Will lie flat on the mud Has 4 berths Is a stable seaworthy boat capable of being sailed shorthanded Whilst we have no intention to race this boat efficient sailing upwind would be a bonus Price Under £5000
I have shortlisted the following so far Corribee Mark 2 Swift 18 Sailfish 18 E Boat
I am leaning towards the corribee but I am finding it hard to find information on trailable boats with this criteria, has anyone any other suggestions ?
Thanks
John Cresswell
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I am not an expert on trailer sailers, but the Robert tucker boats have always appealed to me as attractive, well mannered small boats. However, I didn't think that they are normally trailer sailer. The ones I know are on moorings, but maybe no reason why they should not be trailer sailed.
An owner in out club goes out in most conditions, often with his toddler son., so seems like seaworthy boat singlehanded.
<so...@toomuchspam.co.uk> wrote: >Hi, >I am looking to buy a small cruiser with the following criteria. >Capable of being towed behind a Mercedes Vito Van >Can be launched by two adults on most slipways >Will lie flat on the mud >Has 4 berths >Is a stable seaworthy boat capable of being sailed shorthanded >Whilst we have no intention to race this boat efficient sailing upwind would be a bonus >Price Under £5000
>I have shortlisted the following so far >Corribee Mark 2 >Swift 18 >Sailfish 18 >E Boat
>I am leaning towards the corribee but I am finding it hard to find information on trailable boats with this criteria, has anyone any other suggestions ?
>Thanks
>John Cresswell
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>I am not an expert on trailer sailers, but the Robert tucker boats >have always appealed to me as attractive, well mannered small boats. >However, I didn't think that they are normally trailer sailer. The >ones I know are on moorings, but maybe no reason why they should not >be trailer sailed.
>An owner in out club goes out in most conditions, often with his >toddler son., so seems like seaworthy boat singlehanded.
>E boat will be best performance of the list.
>Ian
>On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:19:25 +0100, "Navigator" ><so...@toomuchspam.co.uk> wrote:
>>Hi, >>I am looking to buy a small cruiser with the following criteria. >>Capable of being towed behind a Mercedes Vito Van >>Can be launched by two adults on most slipways >>Will lie flat on the mud >>Has 4 berths >>Is a stable seaworthy boat capable of being sailed shorthanded >>Whilst we have no intention to race this boat efficient sailing upwind would be a bonus >>Price Under £5000
>>I have shortlisted the following so far >>Corribee Mark 2 >>Swift 18 >>Sailfish 18 >>E Boat
>>I am leaning towards the corribee but I am finding it hard to find information on trailable boats with this criteria, has anyone any other suggestions ?
>>Thanks
>>John Cresswell
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Thanks for the quick reply Ian, I will look into those designs, the one thing putting me off the e-boat is the fact that the e-boat owners assoc web page shows them doing capsize tests , it seems a few have gone over including a sinking :(.I will be sailign this with my 2year old so want something pretty bomb proof.
John
I am not an expert on trailer sailers, but the Robert tucker boats have always appealed to me as attractive, well mannered small boats. However, I didn't think that they are normally trailer sailer. The ones I know are on moorings, but maybe no reason why they should not be trailer sailed.
An owner in out club goes out in most conditions, often with his toddler son., so seems like seaworthy boat singlehanded.
E boat will be best performance of the list.
Ian
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I have a pic of the Corribee that sails with his toddler son, taken a couple of weeks ago at the Sea Carnival. If you would like a copy, just email me (I think that your email is anti-spammed).
<so...@toomuchspam.co.uk> wrote: >Thanks for the quick reply Ian, I will look into those designs, the one thing putting me off the e-boat is the fact that the e-boat owners assoc web page shows them doing capsize tests , it seems a few have gone over including a sinking :(.I will be sailign this with my 2year old so want something pretty bomb proof.
>John
>I am not an expert on trailer sailers, but the Robert tucker boats >have always appealed to me as attractive, well mannered small boats. >However, I didn't think that they are normally trailer sailer. The >ones I know are on moorings, but maybe no reason why they should not >be trailer sailed.
>An owner in out club goes out in most conditions, often with his >toddler son., so seems like seaworthy boat singlehanded.
>E boat will be best performance of the list.
>Ian
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> Hi, > I am looking to buy a small cruiser with the following criteria. > Capable of being towed behind a Mercedes Vito Van > Can be launched by two adults on most slipways > Will lie flat on the mud > Has 4 berths > Is a stable seaworthy boat capable of being sailed shorthanded > Whilst we have no intention to race this boat efficient sailing upwind would be a bonus > Price Under £5000
> I have shortlisted the following so far > Corribee Mark 2 > Swift 18 > Sailfish 18 > E Boat
> I am leaning towards the corribee but I am finding it hard to find
information on trailable boats with this criteria, has anyone any other suggestions ?
> Thanks for the quick reply Ian, I will look into those designs, the one
thing putting me off the e-boat is the fact that the e-boat owners assoc web page shows them doing capsize tests , it seems a few have gone over including a sinking :(.I will be sailign this with my 2year old so want something pretty bomb proof.
Don't let it put you off - I guess you didn't read the articles about the Atlantic crossings or the 'members only' area with all the E-Boat registrations, including Canada, USA and Australia..... (Yes, they get everywhere!)
The 'E' feels like a big dinghy to sail, and will give you the feel of a dinghy with performance and accommodation. If you want a more sea-sure boat, try an Anderson 22 www.anderson22class.co.uk
Navigator wrote: > Hi, > I am looking to buy a small cruiser with the following criteria. > Capable of being towed behind a Mercedes Vito Van > Can be launched by two adults on most slipways > Will lie flat on the mud > Has 4 berths > Is a stable seaworthy boat capable of being sailed shorthanded > Whilst we have no intention to race this boat efficient sailing upwind > would be a bonus Price Under £5000
> I have shortlisted the following so far > Corribee Mark 2 > Swift 18 > Sailfish 18 > E Boat
> I am leaning towards the corribee but I am finding it hard to find > information on trailable boats with this criteria, has anyone any other > suggestions ?
> Thanks
> John Cresswell
It may be a little large but have you considered a Fairey Atalanta 26?
> Hi, > I am looking to buy a small cruiser with the following criteria. > Capable of being towed behind a Mercedes Vito Van > Can be launched by two adults on most slipways > Will lie flat on the mud > Has 4 berths > Is a stable seaworthy boat capable of being sailed shorthanded > Whilst we have no intention to race this boat efficient sailing upwind > would be a bonus Price Under £5000
> I have shortlisted the following so far > Corribee Mark 2 > Swift 18 > Sailfish 18 > E Boat
At the small end of your list, but also consider the SeaHawk! I tow mine behind my 1.6 Renault Scenic. -- Greg Chapman http://www.seahawk17.plus.com Celebrating the SeaHawk
But it must be capable of being launched by 2 people, man and wife presumably?
In which case I would say any of the 22 footers are a bit big unless you have a decent mast raising kit like an A Frame. I have done mine ( 22 foot Vivacity ) with two people and a gin pole but don't want to do it again, especially afloat.
A 22 footer is a bit of a lump to trail unless you have the right vehicle, including the trailer and kit on the boat, even if you put the outboard in the vehicle, you are looking at over 2.5 tonnes and really require a vehicle capable of towing that. 2.5 is right on the limit for a Vito according to Merc.
it caters for Vivs, and Alacritys which were both built in the same boat yard. The Alacrity is probably too small for 4 berths.
In conclusion, if you can get the mast kit on the boat and are happy with the towing then any of the 22 footers will fit the bill, most are virtually uncapsizeable but any boat may go flat in a knockdown in the right sea conditions with too much sail up.
> But it must be capable of being launched by 2 people, man and wife > presumably?
Possibly, but depends on where you launch - where I sail I can launch single handed, but would rather not!
> In which case I would say any of the 22 footers are a bit big unless you > have a decent mast raising kit like an A Frame. I have done mine ( 22 foot > Vivacity ) with two people and a gin pole but don't want to do it again, > especially afloat.
My mast is liftable using just the spinnaker halyard and spinnaker pole - a rig stayed to either side of the mast with a backstay makes the mast reasonably controlled. (I said reasonably!)
> A 22 footer is a bit of a lump to trail unless you have the right vehicle, > including the trailer and kit on the boat, even if you put the outboard in > the vehicle, you are looking at over 2.5 tonnes and really require a vehicle > capable of towing that. 2.5 is right on the limit for a Vito according to > Merc.
True, my E-Boat is JUST within the towing weight for my Pug 406 estate, and tows well at 50mph. Launching is fine, recovery is hopeless! (Don't even try!)
> it caters for Vivs, and Alacritys which were both built in the same boat > yard. The Alacrity is probably too small for 4 berths.
> In conclusion, if you can get the mast kit on the boat and are happy with > the towing then any of the 22 footers will fit the bill, most are virtually > uncapsizeable but any boat may go flat in a knockdown in the right sea > conditions with too much sail up.
Agreed - Anything can be capsized, but I've ben recommended to keep the washboards in and hatches closed on a windy day - and though you may be already suffering with sharp intakes of breath, it actually does make sense, doesn't it!
>"Navigator" <so...@toomuchspam.co.uk> wrote in message >news:42c31049$0$12922$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com... >> Hi, >> I am looking to buy a small cruiser with the following criteria. >> Capable of being towed behind a Mercedes Vito Van >> Can be launched by two adults on most slipways >> Will lie flat on the mud >> Has 4 berths >> Is a stable seaworthy boat capable of being sailed shorthanded >> Whilst we have no intention to race this boat efficient sailing upwind >> would be a bonus Price Under £5000
>> I have shortlisted the following so far >> Corribee Mark 2 >> Swift 18 >> Sailfish 18 >> E Boat
>At the small end of your list, but also consider the SeaHawk! I tow mine >behind my 1.6 Renault Scenic.
Again at the small end and they're not that easy to find - but how about a Hunter 490?
-- Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Who dies with the most toys wins" (Gary Barnes)
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:21:01 UTC, a...@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Robert Breen) wrote:
> >> I am looking to buy a small cruiser with the following criteria. > >> Capable of being towed behind a Mercedes Vito Van > >> Can be launched by two adults on most slipways > >> Will lie flat on the mud > >> Has 4 berths > Again at the small end and they're not that easy to find - but how > about a Hunter 490?
The 4-9-0 doesn't lie flat: there's a big bulge at the bottom of the keel wich gives a mininium draft of (from memory) 18" or so, and a lot of heel when dried out. It's also only just 4 berth - with four people inside you wouldn't get much else in!
That said, they are lovely wee boats - my father has one.
My suggestion: a Skipper Mariner / 17 / whatever they became.
Yes I saw that :-) In the 70's I built an express pirate and cruised it Thames Estuary and E Coast for a couple of years with wife and 3 young children not bad for a 17' 3" boat had a loo and cooker as well! Also won several pots in club races it was a little flyer.
> Yes I saw that :-) > In the 70's I built an express pirate and cruised it Thames Estuary and E > Coast for a couple of years with wife and 3 young children not bad for a > 17' 3" boat had a loo and cooker as well! Also won several pots in club > races it was a little flyer.
I've got one myself - nice little boat - easy to tow with pretty much anything. I've still ended up putting it on a mooring though - the extra hassle of mast raising and all the other fuss of launch / recovery meant that I didn't sail her as much as I would like - it just wasn't worth it for a couple of hours sailing. Now she's on a (swinging) mooring I sail her almost every other day. The only down side is that I'm tied to one area - although I could recover her and tow to somewhere else if I chose (but I know I won't bother this season), and the other is the loss of the ability to tinker with her on the drive in the evenings.
They are fine little boats but to make them more seaworthy I'd make mods to the hatch / washboard arrangement, and beef up the windows - mine are fitted with rubber 'car' type seals which I think wouldn't stand any serious wave pressure. I'm also going to seal the top of the keel mouldings with epoxy/ mat, just in case of serious damage to one of the keels - which could possibly let in a lot of the green stuff.
I sealed the top of the ballast on my Pirate with GRP from new for added reinforcement and because it looked the best place for the battery and cold storage of beer etc. The windows I fitted on mine were polycarbonate fixed and sealed with double sided adhesive building tape and through bolted with Window screws and blind nuts. I agree the hatch and washboards need improvement. My hatch seemed flimsy and leaked if a wave came aboard. The washboards were too tapered and although I had a lanyard and jamber inside and out they never seemed really secure. The cockpit drain annoyingly let water in sometimes!
Beating against strong Easterly winds over tide in the narrows of the Thames estuary I was sometimes stopped dead by the short chop but in the larger longer waves further down she sailed very well.
I kept my Pirate on a 1/2 tide club mooring and sailed some evenings and nearly every weekend in the summer. I never tried trailing but would imagine it would be a lot of hassle with a BK. One of the attractions of sailing to me is having a boat close by so you can hop onto it and avoid the traffic and crowds even on a really glorious summer day.
Jerry RM Jones wrote: > In article <42c31049$0$12922$cc9e4...@news.dial.pipex.com>, > so...@toomuchspam.co.uk (Navigator) wrote:
>>I have shortlisted the following so far >>Corribee Mark 2 >>Swift 18 >>Sailfish 18 >>E Boat
> Hunter Medina - used to crew on one for years and they meet all your > requirements.
> Regards, > Jerry
> >I'd steer clear of the Sailfish 18, though I've never saled one I have seen them out often and from what I've seen they are horribly sensitive to weight distribuition fore and aft. With two or more in the cockpit they seem to sail like pigs. Owners may disagree but they would appear to need ballasting well by the head which would not appeal to me particularly if I were trailer sailing. Also I don't like the internal layout much either. From what I've seen you'd have to be pretty good friends to sleep 4.
You could do worse than look at a Seawych 19 if you can find a good one.
Mine had a sandwich construction coachroof, no leaks or condensation, proper marine loo forward, four full berths, sailed like a witch and all in all was the best boat I've ever had.
My favourite memory of her was following the Blackwater barge race one year when I picked up the fleet off Osea and led them to Bradwell. I got a lucky slant of wind, which was very light, and was the only boat to get out of the Blackwater. I lunched at leisure off Lion Point and picked up the fleet again as they made their way back to Maldon arriving when less than half of the barges had made it back.
I just hope my newly aquired Ballerina suits me half so well.
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