"Zardoz" <zardo
...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> David Looser <david.loo...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:af2sd4$lho$1@paris.btinternet.com...
> > But how is any change going to occur unless somebody does something?.
> >Your approach, as I see it, is not one of making change slowly, but
rather
> one >of not making change at all.
> I cannot see how you can read that in my message. I said quite clearly
that
> change comes about slowly. How do you eat an elephant? answer is a little
at
> a time.
> Change comes about because of lots of things which bring about changes in
> the views of society as a whole. Going out nude cycling in full view of
the
> public and their families is going to bring about calls for toughening up
of
> the laws, not the reverse and then you see an end to what we have at the
> moment; some of the beaches and swims etc.
> I favour the approach of persuading more local authorities to have
naturist
> sections of beaches or allowing clubs to use L.A swimming pools and so on.
> The media does in many respects appear to be sympathetic to this life
style.
> Nudity is less frowned upon than it was ten years ago. Much of this has
come
> about because more folk go abroad for holidays and think nothing of the
> nudity or part nudity they see. Seeing topless women on beaches was a real
> surprise ten years or more ago but these days who cares?
> What naturism does not need are folk being hauled up into court on a
regular
> basis as the resulting press will bring about changes in the law.
> We all tread a fine line here.
> Zardoz
My last posting was rather more terse than I intended for which I apologise.
I was questioning the idea that we are, in fact making slow progress. Are
there more clubs, swims etc than there were say 10 years ago?. I'm not sure
that there are, swims seem to be closing faster than new ones are being
started. You speak about topless women on beaches, 20 years ago they were
shown regularly on the 7.00 pm Holiday programme without comment as though
that was the accepted norm. You don't see them anymore, nowadays beach
toplessness on TV seems to be relagated to the likes of "Ibiza Uncovered"
where it's presented as part of the "sexy" Club 18-30 scene.
The idea that "folk being hauled up into court on a regular basis" will lead
to pressure for a change in the law which will make our position worse is
far from certain, it could equally well go the other way. Whatever else you
might say about VB, he does seem to have demonstrated that being hauled into
court for simple nakedness is not something that the authorities have any
enthusiasm for.
I'm not saying that I approve of cycling nude through populated areas, it's
not something that I'd do myself, but I do sometimes think that it's our
own timidity that's holding us back, rather than opposition from others.
David.
