> Warning: It's full of four-wheeled contraptions.
Abso-fucking-lutely wonderful.
I *must* see that museum myself.
I remember when it was discovered, in the late 1970s: Paris Match (IIRC) sent their cameras in, and I just boggled at the pictures.
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>> Warning: It's full of four-wheeled contraptions.
> Abso-fucking-lutely wonderful.
> I *must* see that museum myself.
It's definitely worth going. Keep in mind that there is tons more - I'm only showing two cars out of the main hall on the above post (the Facel Vega and the steam engined one). If you've got an interest in the deathtrap contraptions that make up the pioneer vehicles, there are several rows of vehicles dating from the late 1880s onwards to about the 1930s. Actually, the majority of the vehicles in the museum is pre-WWII.
Oh, and I'd also like to recommend this place, which is where we staid:
The menu is of the short and sweet kind, but blimey is the food good.
> I remember when it was discovered, in the late 1970s: Paris Match (IIRC) > sent their cameras in, and I just boggled at the pictures.
It's definitely one of those collections that make you glad that someone made the effort to preserve all of this when the cars were mostly considered junk, but you *do* get the impression that ol' Fritz Schlumpf had a screw loose. Probably one that said 'Bugatti' on it.
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Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote: > It's definitely one of those collections that make you glad that someone > made the effort to preserve all of this when the cars were mostly > considered junk, but you *do* get the impression that ol' Fritz Schlumpf > had a screw loose. Probably one that said 'Bugatti' on it.
There were two brothers, isn't that right And originally the secret collection was going to be bust up to pay their debts, but the French government grabbed it for the nation, or something.
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totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) writes:
> Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
>> It's definitely one of those collections that make you glad that someone >> made the effort to preserve all of this when the cars were mostly >> considered junk, but you *do* get the impression that ol' Fritz Schlumpf >> had a screw loose. Probably one that said 'Bugatti' on it.
> There were two brothers, isn't that right And originally the secret > collection was going to be bust up to pay their debts, but the French > government grabbed it for the nation, or something.
There were two brothers, but the one that keeps getting mentioned in connection with the obsessive car collecting is Fritz. After visiting the collection I'm glad the French government grabbed it as a 'National Treasure' (no offense to our local NT). It would've been a shame to break it up.
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Timo Geusch wrote: > There were two brothers, but the one that keeps getting mentioned in > connection with the obsessive car collecting is Fritz. After visiting > the collection I'm glad the French government grabbed it as a > 'National Treasure' (no offense to our local NT). It would've been a > shame to break it up.
I'd heard they were local businessmen who'd frittered money from their company to pay for the collection, but came unstuck when the French tax authorities delved deep into dealings and discovered they'd been spending millions on these cars. They took the collection in lieu of taxes that hadn't been paid.
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"Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> writes: > Timo Geusch wrote:
>> There were two brothers, but the one that keeps getting mentioned in >> connection with the obsessive car collecting is Fritz. After visiting >> the collection I'm glad the French government grabbed it as a >> 'National Treasure' (no offense to our local NT). It would've been a >> shame to break it up.
> I'd heard they were local businessmen who'd frittered money from their > company to pay for the collection, but came unstuck when the French tax > authorities delved deep into dealings and discovered they'd been > spending millions on these cars. They took the collection in lieu of > taxes that hadn't been paid.
That's part of it - they also saw the change of textile manufacturing to the Far East coming and shifted their manufacturing business over there. According to some accords, the collection (which had been built up in secret) was discovered when the workers occupied the factory as a result.
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>> I'd heard they were local businessmen who'd frittered money from their >> company to pay for the collection, but came unstuck when the French tax >> authorities delved deep into dealings and discovered they'd been >> spending millions on these cars. They took the collection in lieu of >> taxes that hadn't been paid.
>That's part of it - they also saw the change of textile manufacturing to >the Far East coming and shifted their manufacturing business over >there. According to some accords, the collection (which had been built >up in secret) was discovered when the workers occupied the factory as a >result.
Coo, a bit more impressive than the Bugatti museum at Prescott.
BTW, my shed of Morini bits collection is not a secret tax evasion ploy. Did you get my email about the tank?
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Pete Fisher <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> writes: > In communiqué <m2vdhlchqy....@unixconsult.co.uk>, Timo Geusch > <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >>"Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> writes:
>>> I'd heard they were local businessmen who'd frittered money from their >>> company to pay for the collection, but came unstuck when the French tax >>> authorities delved deep into dealings and discovered they'd been >>> spending millions on these cars. They took the collection in lieu of >>> taxes that hadn't been paid.
>>That's part of it - they also saw the change of textile manufacturing to >>the Far East coming and shifted their manufacturing business over >>there. According to some accords, the collection (which had been built >>up in secret) was discovered when the workers occupied the factory as a >>result.
> Coo, a bit more impressive than the Bugatti museum at Prescott.
> BTW, my shed of Morini bits collection is not a secret tax evasion > ploy. Did you get my email about the tank?
Yes, I did. Sorry, I'll reply in a sec...
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>>>Warning: It's full of four-wheeled contraptions.
>> Wow. What an incredible place. >and so close to Bruce's gaff...
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JackH <jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > On Nov 7, 8:09 pm, "Timo Geusch" <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> > wrote: >> Well, mainly I cannae be arsed to type it all in again, so here it goes:
>> Warning: It's full of four-wheeled contraptions.
> Am I to take it that the Integrale actually behaved impeccably the > whole trip?
Almost. Paul will have to fix a few niggles[1][2][3][4] that I would have preferred to have sorted out at the Swiss end of the journey but due to the parts availability it was easier to just drive it back and have it sorted out before Crimbo. I think it also wants the usual service items (air filters, plugs, dizzy cap & rotor) but I'll sort those out myself.
The main problem was resisting to drive it like a nutter every time I went down a slightly twisty road.
[1] Thermostat is a little over eager in opening and doesn't seem to open all the way. It never overheated but we it gets really warm, it also leaks a little coolant through the thermostat housing gasket [2] The FPR wants looking at as it's let out the odd drop but I think it's some of the 20 yo fuel piping rather than the FPR itself [3] Tracking wants doing. It pulls a little to one side which is hardly noticeable on a short trip but gets a little annoying on longer trips [4] Lights want adjusting properly and then we need to blank off the 'wrong' dip. They're good at blinding moles atm, but not good at illuminating the road
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Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote: > Almost. Paul will have to fix a few niggles[1][2][3][4] that I would have > preferred to have sorted out at the Swiss end of the journey but due to > the parts availability it was easier to just drive it back and have it > sorted out before Crimbo. I think it also wants the usual service items > (air filters, plugs, dizzy cap & rotor) but I'll sort those out myself.
> The main problem was resisting to drive it like a nutter every time I > went down a slightly twisty road.
I'd love to have a go in that. In fact, we could do a little swapsie if you fancy a go in the Scooby.
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totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) writes:
> Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
>> Almost. Paul will have to fix a few niggles[1][2][3][4] that I would have >> preferred to have sorted out at the Swiss end of the journey but due to >> the parts availability it was easier to just drive it back and have it >> sorted out before Crimbo. I think it also wants the usual service items >> (air filters, plugs, dizzy cap & rotor) but I'll sort those out myself.
>> The main problem was resisting to drive it like a nutter every time I >> went down a slightly twisty road.
> I'd love to have a go in that. In fact, we could do a little swapsie if > you fancy a go in the Scooby.
I'm sure we can sort something out once the niggles have been addressed. It isn't particularly quick by modern standards but the handling has an immediacy that seems to be engineered out of modern cars. It's one of those "you get out what you put into it" cars, even though it'll happy go down the autoroute at a decent rate of knots, even though it is a little noisy.
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> totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) writes:
> > Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Almost. Paul will have to fix a few niggles[1][2][3][4] that I would have > >> preferred to have sorted out at the Swiss end of the journey but due to > >> the parts availability it was easier to just drive it back and have it > >> sorted out before Crimbo. I think it also wants the usual service items > >> (air filters, plugs, dizzy cap & rotor) but I'll sort those out myself.
> >> The main problem was resisting to drive it like a nutter every time I > >> went down a slightly twisty road.
> > I'd love to have a go in that. In fact, we could do a little swapsie if > > you fancy a go in the Scooby.
> I'm sure we can sort something out once the niggles have been > addressed. It isn't particularly quick by modern standards but the > handling has an immediacy that seems to be engineered out of modern > cars. It's one of those "you get out what you put into it" cars, even > though it'll happy go down the autoroute at a decent rate of > knots, even though it is a little noisy.
I was surprised at how refined it was tbh, when I drove it.
Not sure I could get used to sitting on the left though, when it comes to punting something like that along down twisties.
Anyway, without wishing to curse it... a good buy for once, that one. ;-)
I'll warn Paul to expect your call.
P.S: You missed quite a good one down at Lydden yesterday.
JackH <jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > On Nov 8, 10:10 pm, Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> > wrote: >> totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) writes:
>> > Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> Almost. Paul will have to fix a few niggles[1][2][3][4] that I would have >> >> preferred to have sorted out at the Swiss end of the journey but due to >> >> the parts availability it was easier to just drive it back and have it >> >> sorted out before Crimbo. I think it also wants the usual service items >> >> (air filters, plugs, dizzy cap & rotor) but I'll sort those out myself.
>> >> The main problem was resisting to drive it like a nutter every time I >> >> went down a slightly twisty road.
>> > I'd love to have a go in that. In fact, we could do a little swapsie if >> > you fancy a go in the Scooby.
>> I'm sure we can sort something out once the niggles have been >> addressed. It isn't particularly quick by modern standards but the >> handling has an immediacy that seems to be engineered out of modern >> cars. It's one of those "you get out what you put into it" cars, even >> though it'll happy go down the autoroute at a decent rate of >> knots, even though it is a little noisy.
> I was surprised at how refined it was tbh, when I drove it.
That it is, until it goes into mental mode. They basically built a luxury hot hatch to warrant the cost. Of course that means you've got to strip out tons of stuff for racing.
> Not sure I could get used to sitting on the left though, when it comes > to punting something like that along down twisties.
I've heard a rumour that it works very well if you drive on the other side of the road :).
> Anyway, without wishing to curse it... a good buy for once, that > one. ;-)
We'll see how it holds up.
> I'll warn Paul to expect your call.
Jolly good. Just to annoy him, there's a radiator change on the other shite 156 to contemplate beforehand by the looks of it. At least I've got that car and the radiator for it while I'm still tracking down the Integrale parts.
> P.S: You missed quite a good one down at Lydden yesterday.
Oh crap. I've just noticed that I've put the rallycross date (28th) down as the date for the trackday instead. Grrrr. I was looking forward to that one. Better get Cadwell booked for December then before I fuck up that one as well.
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> JackH <jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk> writes: > > On Nov 8, 10:10 pm, Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> > > wrote: > >> totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) writes:
> >> > Timo Geusch <tnewsSPAMME...@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> Almost. Paul will have to fix a few niggles[1][2][3][4] that I would have > >> >> preferred to have sorted out at the Swiss end of the journey but due to > >> >> the parts availability it was easier to just drive it back and have it > >> >> sorted out before Crimbo. I think it also wants the usual service items > >> >> (air filters, plugs, dizzy cap & rotor) but I'll sort those out myself.
> >> >> The main problem was resisting to drive it like a nutter every time I > >> >> went down a slightly twisty road.
> >> > I'd love to have a go in that. In fact, we could do a little swapsie if > >> > you fancy a go in the Scooby.
> >> I'm sure we can sort something out once the niggles have been > >> addressed. It isn't particularly quick by modern standards but the > >> handling has an immediacy that seems to be engineered out of modern > >> cars. It's one of those "you get out what you put into it" cars, even > >> though it'll happy go down the autoroute at a decent rate of > >> knots, even though it is a little noisy.
> > I was surprised at how refined it was tbh, when I drove it.
> That it is, until it goes into mental mode.
Oh... it must have been holding back when I drove it then. :-P
> They basically built a luxury hot hatch to warrant the cost. > Of course that means you've got to strip out tons of stuff for racing.
That generally goes for most racing though...
> > Not sure I could get used to sitting on the left though, when it comes > > to punting something like that along down twisties.
> I've heard a rumour that it works very well if you drive on the other > side of the road :).
Heh.
Oh, I know that's more down to me than the car... but I reckon even if I was punting it round somewhere like Lydden I'd find it a bit odd to have the meat on the opposite side to normal.
> > Anyway, without wishing to curse it... a good buy for once, that > > one. ;-)
> We'll see how it holds up.
Done ok so far methinks.
Certainly a better buy than...
> > I'll warn Paul to expect your call.
> Jolly good. Just to annoy him, there's a radiator change on the other > shite 156 to contemplate beforehand by the looks of it. At least I've > got that car and the radiator for it while I'm still tracking down the > Integrale parts.
Ok, will warn him.
> > P.S: You missed quite a good one down at Lydden yesterday.
> Oh crap. I've just noticed that I've put the rallycross date (28th) down > as the date for the trackday instead.
Doh.
> Grrrr. I was looking forward to that one.
No-one binned it properly, but plenty of stuff slid off in the morning due to the track looking dryer than it actually was. ;-)
JackH wrote: > No-one binned it properly, but plenty of stuff slid off in the morning > due to the track looking dryer than it actually was. ;-)
That sounds like Lydden on a good day, extremely abrasive surface that offers little grip. I don't enjoy going racing there with Danny because it always pisses with rain.
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