>>>> "EU driving licence holders that exceed the speed limit by over 40 >>>> km/h will have their licenses confiscated on the spot by the police. >>>> "
>>>> Jeepers when did they bring that in ... :)
>>>ages ago.
>>>the trick is not to get caught.
>> Or to have a non-EU licence.
>Are you absolutely positive they don't have an equivalent accord bilateral >covering Swiss licenses?
Not at all. They certainly do have agreements in place, but I think they don't go as far as those with other EU states. They'd not be able to physically remove your licence, for example.
I've long since given up routinely testing the state of affairs by setting off all the French speed cameras I can find, and I do know of one case where the Swiss police have chased a French-registered car driver for several speeding tickets, but not heard of any the other way round yet. ISTR I did get flashed by a temporary roadside one recently, although I was only doing about 55kph in a 50.
> >>> "EU driving licence holders that exceed the speed limit by over 40 > >>> km/h will have their licenses confiscated on the spot by the police. > >>> "
> >>> Jeepers when did they bring that in ... :)
> >>ages ago.
> >>the trick is not to get caught.
> > Or to have a non-EU licence.
> Are you absolutely positive they don't have an equivalent accord bilateral > covering Swiss licenses?
They didn't when Little Bruvver was nicked in his Swiss-reg Oettinger Golf. He got clean away. Mind you, that was in the early 1990s.
> >> Get an EU (polish/Lithuanian) License. > >> A lot of people I know now have one, and if they get stopped, they > >> just show that. > >> I even know of a few HGV lorry drivers that have them, and have never > >> even driven an HGV before, some still haven't and none have passed a > >> test!!
> >Erm how exactly would one go about that then?
> Yersh... that would be useful.
Little Bruvver again. You've heard of the DVLA taking off licence entitlements when you send away your licence for change of address or something? Well, with him, they did it the other way around. His came back with a Class One (C+E) HGV and a bus entitlement on it. He's still got them :-)
"TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > >> I even know of a few HGV lorry drivers that have them, and have never > > >> even driven an HGV before, some still haven't and none have passed a > > >> test!!
> > >Erm how exactly would one go about that then?
> > Yersh... that would be useful.
> Little Bruvver again. You've heard of the DVLA taking off licence > entitlements when you send away your licence for change of address or > something? Well, with him, they did it the other way around. His came > back with a Class One (C+E) HGV and a bus entitlement on it. He's > still got them :-)
"My driving license has come back wrong, there are entitlements I shouldn't have on it."
"I'm sorry, we can't change that unless you can produce an original certificate showing you didn't pass that test. The system does not lie."
> Those f/glass rear guards look OK if painted silver.
Indeed, I was thinking in terms of a silver basecoat with a few coats of 2pack clear laquer.
> Serious question here. You can chrome plastic, right? I mean, when you > buy plastic kits of cars and bikes and suchlike, you get chromed > plastic. And the Japs routinely chrome plastic parts on bikes. So why > can't one get one of those plastic pattern rear guards chromed?
> Is there any particular reason. I mean, is it too hard to do something > that big, or what? Any platers here know the answer?
IANAplater but the process is fairly simple, you just need to spray the part with a special conductive paint before plating in the usual way. My guess is that the demand is not there to do it in less than production quantities. But ICBW.
Jim <bluefl...@0.0.0.0> wrote: >"My driving license has come back wrong, there are entitlements I >shouldn't have on it."
>"I'm sorry, we can't change that unless you can produce an original >certificate showing you didn't pass that test. The system does not lie."
Penalty notice arrived for not taxing the B12. I call DVLA, "I sold it 7 months ago and sent the relevant bits of paper to you". They denied knowledge.
Cue one email containing scans of proof of postage, and sale receipt from the trade-in. Oh, and the threat of involving my MP (SoS for Health),
>>Are you absolutely positive they don't have an equivalent accord bilateral >>covering Swiss licenses?
> Not at all. They certainly do have agreements in place, but I think > they don't go as far as those with other EU states. They'd not be able > to physically remove your licence, for example.
> I've long since given up routinely testing the state of affairs by > setting off all the French speed cameras I can find, and I do know of > one case where the Swiss police have chased a French-registered car > driver for several speeding tickets, but not heard of any the other > way round yet. ISTR I did get flashed by a temporary roadside one > recently, although I was only doing about 55kph in a 50.
Hmm, I'd heard that there are agreements between the Swiss/French. The Spanish/French too.
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:04:14 -0700 (PDT), TOG@Toil wibbled:
> Little Bruvver again. You've heard of the DVLA taking off licence > entitlements when you send away your licence for change of address or > something? Well, with him, they did it the other way around. His came > back with a Class One (C+E) HGV and a bus entitlement on it. He's > still got them :-)
Same for SWMBO. She got given a full motorcycle entitlement.
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:09:49 +0100, Simon Wilson wibbled:
>> Fucking ages ago. It's not new. Google "Hamilton France Speed"
>> Trust MCN to be behind the times. Oh, and it's 50kph, not 40kph.
> "McLaren has been made aware that Lewis was stopped for speeding in > France whilst driving in a private capacity. We understand he has > received a mandatory fine and suspension from driving in France for one > month."
> That's not the same as having your license confiscated though is it?
He would have had his licence confiscated by the side of the road and returned to him after his ban.
For the French, it's worse. They are required to redo their driving test and their vehicles confiscated by the state[1] (IIRC).
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On 10 Jul 2009 07:18:04 GMT, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wibbled:
>> If you haven't got it, they can't confiscate it....
> Photocopy of the paper licence, you dont want the original getting wet > or lost onna bike do you.
You're required by French law to have the originals. This was discussed before the French run, this year. Otherwise automatic riding/driving rights suspension.
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:00:49 +0100, ginge wibbled:
> I suspect "confiscate" means an on the spot suspension from driving, > put your vehicle on a truck and go home johnny foreigner, for you ze > war is over.
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:57:59 +0100, Cab <m...@privacy.net> wrote: >On 10 Jul 2009 07:18:04 GMT, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wibbled: >>> If you haven't got it, they can't confiscate it....
>> Photocopy of the paper licence, you dont want the original getting wet >> or lost onna bike do you.
>You're required by French law to have the originals. This was discussed >before the French run, this year. Otherwise automatic riding/driving rights >suspension.
heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers in order (girly swot!), whereas I just had the plastic bit of my driving licence. No paper counterpart, no V5 registration document, no insurance docs. There was some gallic shrugging, and I was sent on my way. -- Champ What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk
>>On 10 Jul 2009 07:18:04 GMT, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wibbled: >>>> If you haven't got it, they can't confiscate it....
>>> Photocopy of the paper licence, you dont want the original getting wet >>> or lost onna bike do you.
>>You're required by French law to have the originals. This was discussed >>before the French run, this year. Otherwise automatic riding/driving rights >>suspension.
>heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers in >order (girly swot!), whereas I just had the plastic bit of my driving >licence. No paper counterpart, no V5 registration document, no >insurance docs. There was some gallic shrugging, and I was sent on my >way.
I tend to take my real licence, and photocopies of V5 and insurance.
> >On 10 Jul 2009 07:18:04 GMT, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wibbled: > >>> If you haven't got it, they can't confiscate it....
> >> Photocopy of the paper licence, you dont want the original getting wet > >> or lost onna bike do you.
> >You're required by French law to have the originals. This was discussed > >before the French run, this year. Otherwise automatic riding/driving rights > >suspension.
> heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers in > order (girly swot!)
Lucky for you!
I always have them with me when I go to France, having been tugged before and it made life a lot simpler then too.
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:58:41 GMT, ogden <og...@pre.org> allegedly wrote: > Champ wrote: >> heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers >> in order (girly swot!)
> Lucky for you!
> I always have them with me when I go to France, having been tugged > before and it made life a lot simpler then too.
Maybe I've missed something in Champ's post, but what was difficult about getting a shrug and being told to move on?
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:18:22 +0100, Champ wibbled:
>>You're required by French law to have the originals. This was discussed >>before the French run, this year. Otherwise automatic riding/driving rights >>suspension.
> heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers in > order (girly swot!), whereas I just had the plastic bit of my driving > licence. No paper counterpart, no V5 registration document, no > insurance docs. There was some gallic shrugging, and I was sent on my > way.
Heh. I think the main thing was the licence. They probably couldn't be arsed with the rest. Also, the only country that asks for the paper counterpart (IME) is the UK. The rest of the countries don't know about it (probably).
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>> On 10 Jul 2009 07:18:04 GMT, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wibbled: >>>> If you haven't got it, they can't confiscate it....
>>> Photocopy of the paper licence, you dont want the original getting >>> wet or lost onna bike do you.
>> You're required by French law to have the originals. This was >> discussed before the French run, this year. Otherwise automatic >> riding/driving rights suspension.
> heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers in > order (girly swot!), whereas I just had the plastic bit of my driving > licence. No paper counterpart, no V5 registration document, no > insurance docs. There was some gallic shrugging, and I was sent on my > way.
> >> On 10 Jul 2009 07:18:04 GMT, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wibbled: > >>>> If you haven't got it, they can't confiscate it....
> >>> Photocopy of the paper licence, you dont want the original getting > >>> wet or lost onna bike do you.
> >> You're required by French law to have the originals. This was > >> discussed before the French run, this year. Otherwise automatic > >> riding/driving rights suspension.
> > heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers in > > order (girly swot!), whereas I just had the plastic bit of my driving > > licence. No paper counterpart, no V5 registration document, no > > insurance docs. There was some gallic shrugging, and I was sent on my > > way.
> When was that??
On the way back from Pithiviers, somewhere west of Paris.
>>>> On 10 Jul 2009 07:18:04 GMT, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wibbled: >>>>>> If you haven't got it, they can't confiscate it....
>>>>> Photocopy of the paper licence, you dont want the original getting >>>>> wet or lost onna bike do you.
>>>> You're required by French law to have the originals. This was >>>> discussed before the French run, this year. Otherwise automatic >>>> riding/driving rights suspension.
>>> heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers >>> in order (girly swot!), whereas I just had the plastic bit of my >>> driving licence. No paper counterpart, no V5 registration >>> document, no insurance docs. There was some gallic shrugging, and >>> I was sent on my way.
>> When was that??
> On the way back from Pithiviers, somewhere west of Paris.
Oooer missus. Why did he pull you then? Glad I was elsewhere.
> >>>> On 10 Jul 2009 07:18:04 GMT, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wibbled: > >>>>>> If you haven't got it, they can't confiscate it....
> >>>>> Photocopy of the paper licence, you dont want the original getting > >>>>> wet or lost onna bike do you.
> >>>> You're required by French law to have the originals. This was > >>>> discussed before the French run, this year. Otherwise automatic > >>>> riding/driving rights suspension.
> >>> heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers > >>> in order (girly swot!), whereas I just had the plastic bit of my > >>> driving licence. No paper counterpart, no V5 registration > >>> document, no insurance docs. There was some gallic shrugging, and > >>> I was sent on my way.
> >> When was that??
> > On the way back from Pithiviers, somewhere west of Paris.
Champ wrote: > heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers in > order (girly swot!), whereas I just had the plastic bit of my driving > licence. No paper counterpart, no V5 registration document, no > insurance docs. There was some gallic shrugging, and I was sent on my > way.
When I got tugged just outside Passau in Germany in Timo's old Mitsubishi Evo II the copper said I was lucky I had all documentation and a letter from Timo giving me permission to drive the car, or I'd have been in big bother.
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>> Those f/glass rear guards look OK if painted silver.
> Indeed, I was thinking in terms of a silver basecoat with a few coats > of 2pack clear laquer.
>> Serious question here. You can chrome plastic, right? I mean, when you >> buy plastic kits of cars and bikes and suchlike, you get chromed >> plastic. And the Japs routinely chrome plastic parts on bikes. So why >> can't one get one of those plastic pattern rear guards chromed?
>> Is there any particular reason. I mean, is it too hard to do something >> that big, or what? Any platers here know the answer?
> IANAplater but the process is fairly simple, you just need to spray the > part with a special conductive paint before plating in the usual way. > My guess is that the demand is not there to do it in less than production > quantities. > But ICBW.
Ahh, if only 'twer that simple. There're plenty of firms making such things as chrome plated, silver plated and gold plated plastic buttons, but there isn't one who will divulge their secret for doing it, which is why there's a push to get a "chrome paint" out that actually looks and behaves like chrome.
The chrome paint is available, but the work needed is fucking horrendous and the actual chrome paint itself is roughly 120 quid for a litre but you need special primer, undercoat, intercoat and clear coats tp, so you need a "kit". A nice round sum it is too. 400 earth monies for a 1 litre kit.
> > heh. When Ogden and I got stopped this year, he had all his papers in > > order (girly swot!), whereas I just had the plastic bit of my driving > > licence. No paper counterpart, no V5 registration document, no > > insurance docs. There was some gallic shrugging, and I was sent on my > > way.
> When I got tugged just outside Passau in Germany in Timo's old > Mitsubishi Evo II the copper said I was lucky I had all documentation > and a letter from Timo giving me permission to drive the car, or I'd > have been in big bother.
If Timo had had his sense of humour switched on, the German draft of the letter would have read: "If you are reading this, the car has been stolen. Nick whoever is in the driving seat."
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