>The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh in the hope that he will >return to front Gardener's World. This follows scores of complaints >about the current lacklustre presentation and lack of genuine gardening >tips and advice. I hope it materialises. I think he's a really good >presenter and he does know his gardening. I know I've said it before >but he does have that rare and valuable gift of making everyone feel as >if he's talking to them personally.
I find him immensely irritating, and his jokey style and 'confidential' asides patronising. But if he does go back to Gardeners World (which I don't watch), maybe we'll see less of him elsewhere :-)
> >The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh in the hope that he will > >return to front Gardener's World. This follows scores of complaints > >about the current lacklustre presentation and lack of genuine gardening > >tips and advice. I hope it materialises. I think he's a really good > >presenter and he does know his gardening. I know I've said it before > >but he does have that rare and valuable gift of making everyone feel as > >if he's talking to them personally.
> I find him immensely irritating, and his jokey style and 'confidential' > asides patronising. But if he does go back to Gardeners World (which I > don't watch), maybe we'll see less of him elsewhere :-)
> -- > Kay
I have to admit he also irritates me, he is so over exposed and I see him popping up all over the place as an expert on just about everything, mind you we have a few on group, from time to time, who think they know it all :-)
> Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> writes >>The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh in the hope that he will return >>to front Gardener's World. This follows scores of complaints about the >>current lacklustre presentation and lack of genuine gardening tips and >>advice. I hope it materialises. I think he's a really good presenter and >>he does know his gardening. I know I've said it before but he does have >>that rare and valuable gift of making everyone feel as if he's talking to >>them personally.
> I find him immensely irritating, and his jokey style and 'confidential' > asides patronising. But if he does go back to Gardeners World (which I > don't watch), maybe we'll see less of him elsewhere :-)
In message <7liapkF3e2t9...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote
>The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh I hope it materialises. I >think he's a really good presenter and he does know his gardening.
Hire skip and a mini-digger Rip up the top two inches of the garden and load it into the skip Add a deck Add a naff water feature Go and get some plants that are already in flower from the local garden centre.
> that does *not* rely on an instant makeover formula, however.
Or do you mean the 'other' Alan Titchmarsh who didn't present Ground Force? -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:07:21 -0800 (PST), Judith in France
> <judith.le...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >On Nov 6, 10:31 am, K <k...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> writes
> >> >The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh in the hope that he will > >> >return to front Gardener's World. This follows scores of complaints > >> >about the current lacklustre presentation and lack of genuine gardening > >> >tips and advice. I hope it materialises. I think he's a really good > >> >presenter and he does know his gardening. I know I've said it before > >> >but he does have that rare and valuable gift of making everyone feel as > >> >if he's talking to them personally.
> >> I find him immensely irritating, and his jokey style and 'confidential' > >> asides patronising. But if he does go back to Gardeners World (which I > >> don't watch), maybe we'll see less of him elsewhere :-)
> >> -- > >> Kay
> >I have to admit he also irritates me, he is so over exposed and I see > >him popping up all over the place as an expert on just about > >everything, mind you we have a few on group, from time to time, who > >think they know it all :-)
> but we rumbled you long ago, Judith. :o) > --
> Martin
Obviously you are on course for a good slap or as O says a thwap!!.
> On 2009-11-06 11:07:21 +0000, Judith in France > <judith.le...@googlemail.com> said:
> > On Nov 6, 10:31 am, K <k...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> writes
> >>> The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh in the hope that he will > >>> return to front Gardener's World. This follows scores of complaints > >>> about the current lacklustre presentation and lack of genuine gardening > >>> tips and advice. I hope it materialises. I think he's a really goo > > d > >>> presenter and he does know his gardening. I know I've said it before > >>> but he does have that rare and valuable gift of making everyone feel as > >>> if he's talking to them personally.
> >> I find him immensely irritating, and his jokey style and 'confidential' > >> asides patronising. But if he does go back to Gardeners World (which I > >> don't watch), maybe we'll see less of him elsewhere :-)
> >> -- > >> Kay
> > I have to admit he also irritates me, he is so over exposed and I see > > him popping up all over the place as an expert on just about > > everything, mind you we have a few on group, from time to time, who > > think they know it all :-)
> > Judith
> I don't think he can be blamed for being good at several things and > popular! You have to make a living when you can! But I have to admit, > also, that we haven't seen him much doing anything else, so haven't > suffered 'Titchmarsh fatigue'! > -- > Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com > Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. > South Devon
He reminds me of a certain poster, I won't say which group as I'm sure you will get the connection :-) It's his always having an answer for everything, now who does this remind you of? No, don't say it :-)
In article <dd172d54-523a-4a7c-a49b-af474a028...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Judith in France <judith.le...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 6, 11:12=A0am, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >I have to admit he also irritates me, he is so over exposed and I see >> >him popping up all over the place as an expert on just about >> >everything, mind you we have a few on group, from time to time, who >> >think they know it all :-)
>> but we rumbled you long ago, Judith. :o)
>Obviously you are on course for a good slap or as O says a thwap!!.
> In article <dd172d54-523a-4a7c-a49b-af474a028...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, > Judith in France <judith.le...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 6, 11:12=A0am, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >> >I have to admit he also irritates me, he is so over exposed and I see > >> >him popping up all over the place as an expert on just about > >> >everything, mind you we have a few on group, from time to time, who > >> >think they know it all :-)
> >> but we rumbled you long ago, Judith. :o)
> >Obviously you are on course for a good slap or as O says a thwap!!.
> Together with a tickle?
> Regards, > Nick Maclaren.
Oh I dunno, wouldn't want to be tooooooooo forward :-)
> In article > <dd172d54-523a-4a7c-a49b-af474a028...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, > Judith in France <judith.le...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 6, 11:12=A0am, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >> >I have to admit he also irritates me, he is so over exposed and I see > >> >him popping up all over the place as an expert on just about > >> >everything, mind you we have a few on group, from time to time, who > >> >think they know it all :-)
> >> but we rumbled you long ago, Judith. :o)
> >Obviously you are on course for a good slap or as O says a thwap!!.
> Together with a tickle?
> Regards, > Nick Maclaren.
Oh I dunno, wouldn't want to be tooooooooo forward :-)
> The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh in the hope that he will return > to front Gardener's World. This follows scores of complaints about the > current lacklustre presentation and lack of genuine gardening tips and > advice. I hope it materialises. I think he's a really good presenter and > he does know his gardening. I know I've said it before but he does have > that rare and valuable gift of making everyone feel as if he's talking to > them personally. It's a great tool of the trade for a tv presenter and > especially one who's actually trying to teach people something. IOO, all > will be well if it's a proper gardening programme that does *not* rely on > an instant makeover formula, however. Alan T and one other (Toby > Buckland, Carol Klein, Joe Swift?) would be quite enough and perhaps they > could focus on some real garden work! > PS Isn't it fortunate that we *didn't* all just 'switch off'? ;-)) > -- > Sacha > www.hillhousenursery.com > Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. > South Devon
Ophelia wrote: > "Judith in France" <judith.le...@googlemail.com> wrote in message > news:cb55041f-c3be-49c9-b9eb-0fc9fa37472f@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com... > On Nov 6, 4:33 pm, n...@cam.ac.uk wrote: >> In article >> <dd172d54-523a-4a7c-a49b-af474a028...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, >> Judith in France <judith.le...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 6, 11:12=A0am, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> I have to admit he also irritates me, he is so over exposed and I >>>>> see him popping up all over the place as an expert on just about >>>>> everything, mind you we have a few on group, from time to time, >>>>> who think they know it all :-)
>>>> but we rumbled you long ago, Judith. :o)
>>> Obviously you are on course for a good slap or as O says a thwap!!.
>> Together with a tickle?
>> Regards, >> Nick Maclaren.
> Oh I dunno, wouldn't want to be tooooooooo forward :-)
Sacha wrote: > The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh in the hope that he will > return to front Gardener's World. This follows scores of complaints > about the current lacklustre presentation and lack of genuine > gardening tips and advice. I hope it materialises. I think he's a > really good presenter and he does know his gardening. I know I've > said it before but he does have that rare and valuable gift of making > everyone feel as if he's talking to them personally. It's a great > tool of the trade for a tv presenter and especially one who's > actually trying to teach people something. IOO, all will be well if > it's a proper gardening programme that does *not* rely on an instant > makeover formula, however. Alan T and one other (Toby Buckland, Carol > Klein, Joe Swift?) would be quite enough and perhaps they could > focus on some real garden work! PS Isn't it fortunate that we *didn't* > all just 'switch off'? ;-))
Carol.....er, no. Joe....his allotment bit isn't bad. Toby.....would be fine if he could be himself instead of following some daft producers script. -- Buy a poppy....help a serviceman Also.... http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/donations.html Pete C London UK
> Sacha wrote: >> The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh in the hope that he will >> return to front Gardener's World. This follows scores of complaints >> about the current lacklustre presentation and lack of genuine >> gardening tips and advice. I hope it materialises. I think he's a >> really good presenter and he does know his gardening. I know I've >> said it before but he does have that rare and valuable gift of making >> everyone feel as if he's talking to them personally. It's a great >> tool of the trade for a tv presenter and especially one who's >> actually trying to teach people something. IOO, all will be well if >> it's a proper gardening programme that does *not* rely on an instant >> makeover formula, however. Alan T and one other (Toby Buckland, Carol >> Klein, Joe Swift?) would be quite enough and perhaps they could >> focus on some real garden work! PS Isn't it fortunate that we *didn't* >> all just 'switch off'? ;-))
> Carol.....er, no. Joe....his allotment bit isn't bad. Toby.....would be > fine if he could be himself instead of following some daft producers > script. > -- > Buy a poppy....help a serviceman > Also.... > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/donations.html > Pete C > London UK
I agree, Pete, that Toby is fine and could be very good if i) he didn't follow that lame script and ii) if he fronted a proper gardening show (in the manner of St. Geoff Hamilton) instead of anchoring a handful of 5 minute slots. When the producers learn that gardeners have a longer attention span than most (comes of waiting for plants to grow), they might cobble together a half useful prog. In Geoff's day, I was so inspired and enthused by his program, I could hardly wait to get out in the garden!
I confess I find Alan T a little trivial at times, but he is knowledgeable and presents well although, even when he took over, the programme was reduced to a few nibbles rather than one good bite. That may not be his fault of course, and he does seem to get many of the ladies all aflutter :~)!
>> Sacha wrote: >>> The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh in the hope that he will >>> return to front Gardener's World. This follows scores of complaints >>> about the current lacklustre presentation and lack of genuine >>> gardening tips and advice. I hope it materialises. I think he's a >>> really good presenter and he does know his gardening. I know I've >>> said it before but he does have that rare and valuable gift of >>> making everyone feel as if he's talking to them personally. It's a >>> great tool of the trade for a tv presenter and especially one who's >>> actually trying to teach people something. IOO, all will be well >>> if it's a proper gardening programme that does *not* rely on an >>> instant makeover formula, however. Alan T and one other (Toby >>> Buckland, Carol Klein, Joe Swift?) would be quite enough and >>> perhaps they could focus on some real garden work! PS Isn't it >>> fortunate that we >>> *didn't* all just 'switch off'? ;-))
>> Carol.....er, no. Joe....his allotment bit isn't bad. Toby.....would >> be fine if he could be himself instead of following some daft >> producers script. >> -- >> Buy a poppy....help a serviceman >> Also.... >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/donations.html >> Pete C >> London UK
> I agree, Pete, that Toby is fine and could be very good if i) he > didn't follow that lame script and ii) if he fronted a proper > gardening show (in the manner of St. Geoff Hamilton) instead of > anchoring a handful of 5 minute slots. When the producers learn that > gardeners have a longer attention span than most (comes of waiting > for plants to grow), they might cobble together a half useful prog. In > Geoff's day, I was so inspired and enthused by his program, I > could hardly wait to get out in the garden! > I confess I find Alan T a little trivial at times, but he is > knowledgeable and presents well although, even when he took over, the > programme was reduced to a few nibbles rather than one good bite. That may > not be his fault of course, and he does seem to get many of > the ladies all aflutter :~)!
> Spider
Many of the gripes over the current prog are down to production rather than presenters. The presenters are all knowledgleable, and like most on this group, would love to enthuse on their favorite subject.................alas that isn't allowed :( -- Buy a poppy....help a serviceman Also.... http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/donations.html Pete C London UK
>>> Sacha wrote: >>>> The BBC is 'in talks' with Alan Titchmarsh in the hope that he will >>>> return to front Gardener's World. This follows scores of complaints >>>> about the current lacklustre presentation and lack of genuine >>>> gardening tips and advice. I hope it materialises. I think he's a >>>> really good presenter and he does know his gardening. I know I've >>>> said it before but he does have that rare and valuable gift of >>>> making everyone feel as if he's talking to them personally. It's a >>>> great tool of the trade for a tv presenter and especially one who's >>>> actually trying to teach people something. IOO, all will be well >>>> if it's a proper gardening programme that does *not* rely on an >>>> instant makeover formula, however. Alan T and one other (Toby >>>> Buckland, Carol Klein, Joe Swift?) would be quite enough and >>>> perhaps they could focus on some real garden work! PS Isn't it >>>> fortunate that we >>>> *didn't* all just 'switch off'? ;-))
>>> Carol.....er, no. Joe....his allotment bit isn't bad. Toby.....would >>> be fine if he could be himself instead of following some daft >>> producers script. >>> -- >>> Buy a poppy....help a serviceman >>> Also.... >>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/donations.html >>> Pete C >>> London UK
>> I agree, Pete, that Toby is fine and could be very good if i) he >> didn't follow that lame script and ii) if he fronted a proper >> gardening show (in the manner of St. Geoff Hamilton) instead of >> anchoring a handful of 5 minute slots. When the producers learn that >> gardeners have a longer attention span than most (comes of waiting >> for plants to grow), they might cobble together a half useful prog. In >> Geoff's day, I was so inspired and enthused by his program, I >> could hardly wait to get out in the garden! >> I confess I find Alan T a little trivial at times, but he is >> knowledgeable and presents well although, even when he took over, the >> programme was reduced to a few nibbles rather than one good bite. That >> may not be his fault of course, and he does seem to get many of >> the ladies all aflutter :~)!
>> Spider > Many of the gripes over the current prog are down to production rather > than presenters. The presenters are all knowledgleable, and like most on > this group, would love to enthuse on their favorite > subject.................alas that isn't allowed :( > -- > Buy a poppy....help a serviceman > Also.... > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/donations.html > Pete C > London UK
Yes, a great pity. Knowledge and enthusiasm, as well as an ability to bestow these, is precisely what's needed on GW. I keep watching in the vain hope it will improve but, these days I rarely watch it in 'real time' because I come in late from the garden during the summer. That shows *just* how much it's changed for me: I used to rush in from the garden to catch every second.
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:23 -0000, "Spider" <Spi...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Knowledge and enthusiasm, as well as an ability to >bestow these, is precisely what's needed on GW. I keep watching in the vain >hope it will improve but, these days I rarely watch it in 'real time' >because I come in late from the garden during the summer. That shows *just* >how much it's changed for me: I used to rush in from the garden to catch >every second.
The Daily Express today has a big and very critical article outlining how Gardeners' World has gone from bad to worse. Basically saying everything about it is wrong, poor presenters, dumbing down, stupid little garden on waste land (not attached to a house etc) The BBC really needs to up its game and get real or continue to leak viewers when it returns
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:23 -0000, "Spider" <Spi...@nospam.invalid> > wrote: >> Knowledge and enthusiasm, as well as an ability to >>bestow these, is precisely what's needed on GW. I keep watching in the >>vain >>hope it will improve but, these days I rarely watch it in 'real time' >>because I come in late from the garden during the summer. That shows >>*just* >>how much it's changed for me: I used to rush in from the garden to catch >>every second.
> The Daily Express today has a big and very critical article outlining > how Gardeners' World has gone from bad to worse. Basically saying > everything about it is wrong, poor presenters, dumbing down, stupid > little garden on waste land (not attached to a house etc) > The BBC really needs to up its game and get real or continue to leak > viewers when it returns
<janet.and.j...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote: >> The Daily Express today has a big and very critical article outlining >> how Gardeners' World has gone from bad to worse. Basically saying >> everything about it is wrong, poor presenters, dumbing down, stupid >> little garden on waste land (not attached to a house etc) >> The BBC really needs to up its game and get real or continue to leak >> viewers when it returns
> The trouble is, TV programming has vastly changed since the says of >St Geoff ( gardening by and for gardeners). Today GW is aimed at a >much wider >target audience than gardeners. Just like Strictly Come Dancing. is >aimed at people who don't dance. It's entertainment geared to >non-participants. > A snack for grazing couch potatoes, rather than the G Hamilton >nourishing meal for hungry gardeners who've worked up an appetite.
> Maybe if GW presenters wore fantastic frocks, or some sequiny >costume which barely passes as adequate underwear, they'd get more >viewers. I'm >only surprised they haven't introduced score cards and viewer voting.
Let's get Cheryl Kale and Simon Trowell on the panel
>>> The Daily Express today has a big and very critical article outlining >>> how Gardeners' World has gone from bad to worse. Basically saying >>> everything about it is wrong, poor presenters, dumbing down, stupid >>> little garden on waste land (not attached to a house etc) >>> The BBC really needs to up its game and get real or continue to leak >>> viewers when it returns >> The trouble is, TV programming has vastly changed since the says of >> St Geoff ( gardening by and for gardeners). Today GW is aimed at a >> much wider >> target audience than gardeners. Just like Strictly Come Dancing. is >> aimed at people who don't dance. It's entertainment geared to >> non-participants. >> A snack for grazing couch potatoes, rather than the G Hamilton >> nourishing meal for hungry gardeners who've worked up an appetite.
>> Maybe if GW presenters wore fantastic frocks, or some sequiny >> costume which barely passes as adequate underwear, they'd get more >> viewers. I'm >> only surprised they haven't introduced score cards and viewer voting.
> Let's get Cheryl Kale and Simon Trowell on the panel
LOL, oh very clever, but I think you are both onto something.
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:23 -0000, "Spider" <Spi...@nospam.invalid> >> wrote: >> > Knowledge and enthusiasm, as well as an ability to >> >bestow these, is precisely what's needed on GW. I keep watching in >> >the vain >> >hope it will improve but, these days I rarely watch it in 'real time' >> >because I come in late from the garden during the summer. That shows >> >*just* >> >how much it's changed for me: I used to rush in from the garden to catch >> >every second.
>> The Daily Express today has a big and very critical article outlining >> how Gardeners' World has gone from bad to worse. Basically saying >> everything about it is wrong, poor presenters, dumbing down, stupid >> little garden on waste land (not attached to a house etc) >> The BBC really needs to up its game and get real or continue to leak >> viewers when it returns
> The trouble is, TV programming has vastly changed since the says of > St Geoff ( gardening by and for gardeners). Today GW is aimed at a > much wider > target audience than gardeners. Just like Strictly Come Dancing. is > aimed at people who don't dance. It's entertainment geared to > non-participants.
Whateverever target audience it is aiming at, it has missed as evidenced by the diminishing viewing figures. mark
Yes, people have found the 'off' button. I did notice that the report in the Daily Express failed to comment on the huge numbers of uk.rec.gardening subscribers who had written in to complain. It would appear that they just spouted their mouths off here. . . . .
"DID" any urgler actually write to the Beeb? ..
Names will be collected on the back of a postage stamp. .
>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:23 -0000, "Spider" <Spi...@nospam.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> > Knowledge and enthusiasm, as well as an ability to >>> >bestow these, is precisely what's needed on GW. I keep watching in >>> >the vain >>> >hope it will improve but, these days I rarely watch it in 'real time' >>> >because I come in late from the garden during the summer. That shows >>> >*just* >>> >how much it's changed for me: I used to rush in from the garden to >>> >catch >>> >every second.
>>> The Daily Express today has a big and very critical article outlining >>> how Gardeners' World has gone from bad to worse. Basically saying >>> everything about it is wrong, poor presenters, dumbing down, stupid >>> little garden on waste land (not attached to a house etc) >>> The BBC really needs to up its game and get real or continue to leak >>> viewers when it returns
>> The trouble is, TV programming has vastly changed since the says of >> St Geoff ( gardening by and for gardeners). Today GW is aimed at a >> much wider >> target audience than gardeners. Just like Strictly Come Dancing. is >> aimed at people who don't dance. It's entertainment geared to >> non-participants.
> Whateverever target audience it is aiming at, it has missed as evidenced > by the diminishing viewing figures. > mark
>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:23 -0000, "Spider" <Spi...@nospam.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Knowledge and enthusiasm, as well as an ability to >>>>> bestow these, is precisely what's needed on GW. I keep watching in >>>>> the vain >>>>> hope it will improve but, these days I rarely watch it in 'real time' >>>>> because I come in late from the garden during the summer. That shows >>>>> *just* >>>>> how much it's changed for me: I used to rush in from the garden to >>>>> catch >>>>> every second.
>>>> The Daily Express today has a big and very critical article outlining >>>> how Gardeners' World has gone from bad to worse. Basically saying >>>> everything about it is wrong, poor presenters, dumbing down, stupid >>>> little garden on waste land (not attached to a house etc) >>>> The BBC really needs to up its game and get real or continue to leak >>>> viewers when it returns
>>> The trouble is, TV programming has vastly changed since the says of >>> St Geoff ( gardening by and for gardeners). Today GW is aimed at a >>> much wider >>> target audience than gardeners. Just like Strictly Come Dancing. is >>> aimed at people who don't dance. It's entertainment geared to >>> non-participants.
>> Whateverever target audience it is aiming at, it has missed as evidenced >> by >> the diminishing viewing figures. >> mark
> Both from talking to customers and reading the majority opinion on here, I > think most viewers want straightforward gardening without the fake > friendship stuff and the gimmicky sheds etc. It doesn't mean it has to be > humourless or without its lighter moments but it does mean less of the > celeb culture and more of the cultivation! Roy Lancaster told us that > when he was doing his early broadcasting work he was told very sternly to > remember that the plants were the stars, not the presenters! That's part > of what needs to come back - let's forget the silly hats and scarves and > hair and whatever. More plants, less people. AND PLANT NAMES ON THE > SCREEN!! Are you listening programme makers? ;-) It's no good showing > people plants and not telling them what they are. Learners need to know > from scratch and more experienced gardeners want to know the names of new > things being launched. We get customers saying "it was on a gardening > programme 2 weeks ago, it's blue/yellow/red/orange and it has green leaves > that are pointed." Tell them the names. Please! And at the end of the > programme - having warned them to be ready to write it down - tell them > where there are special courses or days out that would interest gardeners, > e.g. Apple Days, or places giving a week end course or a day course on veg > and herb growing, or taking cuttings, or how to save seed etc. > -- > Sacha > www.hillhousenursery.com > Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. > South Devon
>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:23 -0000, "Spider" <Spi...@nospam.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Knowledge and enthusiasm, as well as an ability to >>>>> bestow these, is precisely what's needed on GW. I keep watching in >>>>> the vain >>>>> hope it will improve but, these days I rarely watch it in 'real time' >>>>> because I come in late from the garden during the summer. That shows >>>>> *just* >>>>> how much it's changed for me: I used to rush in from the garden to >>>>> catch >>>>> every second.
>>>> The Daily Express today has a big and very critical article outlining >>>> how Gardeners' World has gone from bad to worse. Basically saying >>>> everything about it is wrong, poor presenters, dumbing down, stupid >>>> little garden on waste land (not attached to a house etc) >>>> The BBC really needs to up its game and get real or continue to leak >>>> viewers when it returns
>>> The trouble is, TV programming has vastly changed since the says of >>> St Geoff ( gardening by and for gardeners). Today GW is aimed at a >>> much wider >>> target audience than gardeners. Just like Strictly Come Dancing. is >>> aimed at people who don't dance. It's entertainment geared to >>> non-participants.
>> Whateverever target audience it is aiming at, it has missed as evidenced >> by >> the diminishing viewing figures. >> mark
> Both from talking to customers and reading the majority opinion on here, I > think most viewers want straightforward gardening without the fake > friendship stuff and the gimmicky sheds etc. It doesn't mean it has to be > humourless or without its lighter moments but it does mean less of the > celeb culture and more of the cultivation! Roy Lancaster told us that > when he was doing his early broadcasting work he was told very sternly to > remember that the plants were the stars, not the presenters! That's part > of what needs to come back - let's forget the silly hats and scarves and > hair and whatever. More plants, less people. AND PLANT NAMES ON THE > SCREEN!! Are you listening programme makers? ;-) It's no good showing > people plants and not telling them what they are. Learners need to know > from scratch and more experienced gardeners want to know the names of new > things being launched. We get customers saying "it was on a gardening > programme 2 weeks ago, it's blue/yellow/red/orange and it has green leaves > that are pointed." Tell them the names. Please! And at the end of the > programme - having warned them to be ready to write it down - tell them > where there are special courses or days out that would interest gardeners, > e.g. Apple Days, or places giving a week end course or a day course on veg > and herb growing, or taking cuttings, or how to save seed etc. > --
I'm sure that the Beeb is well aware of the GW failings and that is why they are having chats with AT. mark
>1.84 million w/e 06 Sep 2009 >2.11 million w/e 13 Sep 2009 >?? >?? >2.17 million w/e 04 Oct 2009 >2.26 million w/e 11 Oct 2009 >2.27 million w/e 18 Oct 2009 >2.2 million w/e 25 Oct 2009
But Ground Force, the type of gardening programme that people really want, had viewing figures closer to 12million!
-- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
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