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11.  Dave Larrington  
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 More options 12 Jan 2006, 14:50
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From: Dave Larrington <smert.spamio...@privacy.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:50:47 -0000
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Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
In article <42n60uF1h6t4...@individual.net>, davek

(dwkenn...@btopenworld.com) wrote:
> The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made safer
> for children. The obvious idea that springs to mind is for the school to
> run cycling training.

Another obvious answer is to reduce the number of cars in the vicinity
of the school by, ooh, encouraging more children to cycle to school
rather than be driven there.

But then you knew that ;-)

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12.  davek  
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 More options 12 Jan 2006, 21:15
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From: davek <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:15:57 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 21:15
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

Dave Larrington wrote:
> Another obvious answer is to reduce the number of cars in the vicinity
> of the school by, ooh, encouraging more children to cycle to school
> rather than be driven there.

Yes, that was one of the things the head said in her letter. This is why
I'm so encouraged - it seems to be more than just a theoretical
exercise, they are genuinely keen to get kids cycling to school.

I think the vast majority of the school's intake lives within 1 or 2
miles so it makes a lot of sense. It really upsets me the number of
parents who drive their kids in, and then find that the nearest parking
space they can find to the school is almost as far away as their home...
yet still they continue to drive in...

The local schools joined forces to start up a walking bus scheme earlier
this year, which has been a huge success, so let's hope the cycling
campaign can be equally successful.

d.


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13.  wafflycat  
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:50:33 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

"davek" <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message

news:42n60uF1h6t45U1@individual.net...

> How does the school go about organising such training?
> How can training be funded? Will the council cough up?

> We are in east Kent - does anyone know of any local organisations that
> might be able to give me more information?

> And finally, does anyone have any other ideas that I could put forward to
> the school?

> thanks,

Calling Mr Bertie Wiggins... calling Mr Bertie Wiggins...

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14.  David Martin  
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 More options 12 Jan 2006, 14:54
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From: "David Martin" <martin-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: 12 Jan 2006 06:54:21 -0800
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 14:54
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

davek wrote:
> The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made safer
> for children. The obvious idea that springs to mind is for the school to
> run cycling training. I'm going to put this forward at the meeting that
> is being held to discuss the matter, but I need to know a few facts first.

> How does the school go about organising such training?
> How can training be funded? Will the council cough up?

> We are in east Kent - does anyone know of any local organisations that
> might be able to give me more information?

> And finally, does anyone have any other ideas that I could put forward
> to the school?

Have a look at the safe routes to schools web site and contact them for
more ideas.

Ask for assistance from the school in terms of details of the catchment
area and get out at the weekend with one or two amenable kids and a
digital camera[1] and take pictures of particular 'obstacles' [2] that
could be ameliorated and plot out on maps (1:10K, get them from your
local council) suggested safe routes. (This could also be a classroom
exercise, to get the children to think about their routes in and
identify which parts are most troublesome[3])

Educate school run drivers in how to deal with children on bikes (ie
give them lots of room, look carefully to see if there is somewhere
they may suddenly turn right into with no signals etc. and above all,
slow down and treat them as equals on the road.)

And, when it all kicks off, get lots of local paper publicity. Class
shots are loved by local news rags because all the parents/grandparents
and so on buy a copy to see the pic..

..d


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15.  Jack Ouzzi  
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 More options 12 Jan 2006, 18:51
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From: Jack Ouzzi <nos...@nowayhozay.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:51:46 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 18:51
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
On 12 Jan 2006 06:54:21 -0800, "David Martin"

<martin-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>davek wrote:
>Educate school run drivers in how to deal with children on bikes (ie
>give them lots of room, look carefully to see if there is somewhere
>they may suddenly turn right into with no signals etc. and above all,
>slow down and treat them as equals on the road.)

Ha ......... about as much chance as snow on Christmas Day.

I recently gave up driving a school bus due to ignorant, arrogant,
selfish, rude, inconsiderate, bullish, violent and downright dangerous
school run parents parking in the school bus area, pavements, school
pedestrian entrance, private house driveways ........... shall I go
on?

Their loss not mine ........ Now they can't get drivers for love nor
money ..... Ha!

As for slow down and treat as equals .........

Oh and not sexist but fact ...... mostly women


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16.  davek  
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 More options 12 Jan 2006, 21:23
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From: davek <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:23:48 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 21:23
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

David Martin wrote:
> Have a look at the safe routes to schools web site and contact them for
> more ideas.

Will do. Not heard of them before (but the website was easy enough to find).

> Ask for assistance from the school in terms of details of the catchment
> area and get out at the weekend with one or two amenable kids and a
> digital camera[1]

Hmm, interesting idea. Will definitely give that some thought. I'm sure
I could find a few volunteers. Perhaps we could get a "cycling bus"
scheme going in parallel with the walking bus.

> Educate school run drivers in how to deal with children on bikes

Getting to the parents would be the easy part. That still leaves the
majority of vehicles on the road at that time of day that are not school
traffic.

> And, when it all kicks off, get lots of local paper publicity.

Yes, good thinking.

Thanks for all the excellent suggestions - plenty to think about there.

d.


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17.  David Martin  
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 More options 12 Jan 2006, 21:53
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From: "David Martin" <martin-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: 12 Jan 2006 13:53:11 -0800
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 21:53
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

davek wrote:
> David Martin wrote:
> > Ask for assistance from the school in terms of details of the catchment
> > area and get out at the weekend with one or two amenable kids and a
> > digital camera[1]

> Hmm, interesting idea. Will definitely give that some thought. I'm sure
> I could find a few volunteers. Perhaps we could get a "cycling bus"
> scheme going in parallel with the walking bus.

That was kind of what I had in mind. One oor two parents to take the
back, and a peloton of ten kids has a lot more 'clout' on the road that
one WVM. "Holding up traffic? we ARE traffic".

One aim of mapping 'safe routes' is that the number of cyclists becomes
higher on those routes and reaches a critical mass where drivers expect
to see cyclists.

Even if my kid's school did run such a scheme and promote cycling to
school, my kids would still walk[1] as it is more hassle to sort bikes
out for a 300m trip.

..d

[1] Except if they were taking cycle training.


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18.  davek  
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 More options 12 Jan 2006, 22:02
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From: davek <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:02:35 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 22:02
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

David Martin wrote:
> Even if my kid's school did run such a scheme and promote cycling to
> school, my kids would still walk[1] as it is more hassle to sort bikes
> out for a 300m trip.

Until the summer, we lived about the same distance from school so
walking was the only option. It was a joy.

But in the summer we moved house, which has given us many advantages,
but doing the school run is now a pain in the arse.

We are now three miles from the school, on a busy main road, with a big
hill between us and the town (well, a hill-sized bump to me, a huge
mountain to a 7yo). I sometimes use the bus when it's my turn to take
him to school, but more often I admit that I use the car. I know I need
to do something about this. It will be difficult to persuade my wife
that it would be safe for him to cycle, even with me in tow - not least
because she is not much of a cyclist herself and feels very unsafe on
the road. I shall have to get them both trained up...

d.


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19.  Simon Brooke  
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 More options 12 Jan 2006, 22:12
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:12:13 +0000
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Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
in message <42o1vvF1jqns...@individual.net>, davek

Kiddyback tandem? Triplet?

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20.  Andy Morris  
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 More options 13 Jan 2006, 00:44
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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:44:14 -0000
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Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <42o1vvF1jqns...@individual.net>, davek
> ('dwkenn...@btopenworld.com') wrote:

>> David Martin wrote:

>> We are now three miles from the school, on a busy main road, with a
>> big hill between us and the town (well, a hill-sized bump to me, a
>> huge mountain to a 7yo). I sometimes use the bus when it's my turn
>> to take him to school, but more often I admit that I use the car. I
>> know I need to do something about this.

> Kiddyback tandem? Triplet?

You may even get some use out of a trailer bike.

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