Google Mail Calendar Documents Reader Web more »
Recently Visited Groups | Help | Sign in
Google Groups Home
cycling to school - advice needed
There are currently too many topics in this group that display first. To make this topic appear first, remove this option from another topic.
There was an error processing your request. Please try again.
flag
  Messages 1 - 25 of 175 - Collapse all  -  Translate all to Translated (View all originals)   Newer >
The group you are posting to is a Usenet group. Messages posted to this group will make your email address visible to anyone on the Internet.
Your reply message has not been sent.
Your post was successful
 
From:
To:
Cc:
Follow-up To:
Add Cc | Add Follow-up to | Edit Subject
Subject:
Validation:
For verification purposes please type the characters you see in the picture below or the numbers you hear by clicking the accessibility icon. Listen and type the numbers that you hear
 
davek  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 14:05
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: davek <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:05:14 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 14:05
Subject: cycling to school - advice needed
My son's school recently conducted a survey to investigate how children
get to school. One of the key findings of the survey was that only 1 per
cent of children currently cycle to school but approximately 38 per cent
would prefer cycling rather than their current means of transport.

Here's an extract from the letter that came home from school:
"It is interesting to note that quiet a lot of the children who walk to
and from school would prefer to cycle, but a significant number who
travel by car would also like to cycle to and from school. This could
reduce the number of cars on the road in the morning. WHile we recognise
the very many health benefits of cycling, we would not wish to encourage
children to cycle unless we are sure that every possible safety issue
had been considered."

Very encouraging.

The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made safer
for children. The obvious idea that springs to mind is for the school to
run cycling training. I'm going to put this forward at the meeting that
is being held to discuss the matter, but I need to know a few facts first.

How does the school go about organising such training?
How can training be funded? Will the council cough up?

We are in east Kent - does anyone know of any local organisations that
might be able to give me more information?

And finally, does anyone have any other ideas that I could put forward
to the school?

thanks,

d.


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
naked_draughtsman  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 14:15
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: "naked_draughtsman" <newsaddr...@the-pev.co.uk>
Date: 12 Jan 2006 06:15:49 -0800
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 14:15
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

davek wrote:
> The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made safer
> for children

I think free helmets for children might come up on the list!

    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
David Martin  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 14:47
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: "David Martin" <martin-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: 12 Jan 2006 06:47:37 -0800
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 14:47
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

naked_draughtsman wrote:
> davek wrote:
> > The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made safer
> > for children

> I think free helmets for children might come up on the list!

<plonk>!

..d


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Dave Larrington  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 14:50
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: Dave Larrington <smert.spamio...@privacy.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:50:47 -0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 14:50
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
In article <42n60uF1h6t4...@individual.net>, davek

(dwkenn...@btopenworld.com) wrote:
> The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made safer
> for children. The obvious idea that springs to mind is for the school to
> run cycling training.

Another obvious answer is to reduce the number of cars in the vicinity
of the school by, ooh, encouraging more children to cycle to school
rather than be driven there.

But then you knew that ;-)

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
Dead journalists make excellent objets d'art.


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
wafflycat  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 14:50
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:50:33 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 14:50
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

"davek" <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message

news:42n60uF1h6t45U1@individual.net...

> How does the school go about organising such training?
> How can training be funded? Will the council cough up?

> We are in east Kent - does anyone know of any local organisations that
> might be able to give me more information?

> And finally, does anyone have any other ideas that I could put forward to
> the school?

> thanks,

Calling Mr Bertie Wiggins... calling Mr Bertie Wiggins...

Cheers, helen s


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
David Martin  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 14:54
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: "David Martin" <martin-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: 12 Jan 2006 06:54:21 -0800
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 14:54
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

davek wrote:
> The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made safer
> for children. The obvious idea that springs to mind is for the school to
> run cycling training. I'm going to put this forward at the meeting that
> is being held to discuss the matter, but I need to know a few facts first.

> How does the school go about organising such training?
> How can training be funded? Will the council cough up?

> We are in east Kent - does anyone know of any local organisations that
> might be able to give me more information?

> And finally, does anyone have any other ideas that I could put forward
> to the school?

Have a look at the safe routes to schools web site and contact them for
more ideas.

Ask for assistance from the school in terms of details of the catchment
area and get out at the weekend with one or two amenable kids and a
digital camera[1] and take pictures of particular 'obstacles' [2] that
could be ameliorated and plot out on maps (1:10K, get them from your
local council) suggested safe routes. (This could also be a classroom
exercise, to get the children to think about their routes in and
identify which parts are most troublesome[3])

Educate school run drivers in how to deal with children on bikes (ie
give them lots of room, look carefully to see if there is somewhere
they may suddenly turn right into with no signals etc. and above all,
slow down and treat them as equals on the road.)

And, when it all kicks off, get lots of local paper publicity. Class
shots are loved by local news rags because all the parents/grandparents
and so on buy a copy to see the pic..

..d


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
dulwich_cyclist@hotmail.c om  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 14:58
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: "dulwich_cycl...@hotmail.com" <Cycling.Instruc...@gmail.com>
Date: 12 Jan 2006 06:58:48 -0800
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 14:58
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
Hi dave,
i suggest you contact the cycle training helpline run by the CTC on
behalf of Cycling England
cycletrain...@ctc.org.uk
www.ctc.org.uk/cycletraining/

They should be able to help you.
Paul


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Peter Fox  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 15:05
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: Peter Fox <peter...@eminent.demon.co.uk.not.this.bit.no.html>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:05:24 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 15:05
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
Following on from davek's message. . .

The VITAL thing is that 'safety' is not determined by well meaning
ignoramuses.  Eg County Council wonks.

Helmets are irrelevant when it comes to safety but they appear to be a
MUST HAVE on everybody's list except the people who know about cycle
safety. :(

Training is far more cost effective - the accident that never happens is
100% survivable and the general public's knowledge of how to use the
roads on a bike is very poor[1] but is fairly easy to remedy.

On this ng are people who have been there - done that - got the scars
regarding:
(a) _National Standard_ training  (Accept no other)  Look on CTC web
site for information.
(b) Making schools cycle friendly

One way to improve cycle safety is to reduce traffic.  Some schools have
a no-car zone for such a distance others stop motorised movements until
after those on foot and cycle have had time to disperse at the end of
the day.

If the school is conducting pupil surveys they might want to plot
isochrones - the time it takes to travel to school say 10min on foot
5min on bike for starters.

[1]I'm in the process of writing up the results of more than 3000 visits
to my test yourself quiz.  Watch this space.

--
PETER FOX Not the same since the porcelain business went down the pan
peter...@eminent.demon.co.uk.not.this.bit.no.html
   www.eminent.demon.co.uk  - Lots for cyclists


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Chris Smith  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 15:07
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: Chris Smith <spli...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:07:36 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 15:07
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

davek wrote:

> How does the school go about organising such training?
> How can training be funded? Will the council cough up?

The LEA/DFES will cough up some dough if the school has a proper Travel
Plan/Policy. This can be used for such stuff as bike sheds, training and
so on.

Talk to a Parent Governor about it and get it on the Agenda of the next
Governors meeting (although it may already be there if they are at the
canvassing for parent views stage).

--
Chris (A Governor)


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Paul - xxx  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 16:24
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: "Paul - xxx" <notcheckede...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:24:43 -0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 16:24
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
Peter Fox came up with the following;:

> Helmets are irrelevant when it comes to safety

No they're not.

I agree they're not a lot of use on a road in traffic, but for children
learning to cycle, perhaps in the playground, they are an eminently sensible
solution to the problem of low-speed falls that _will_ occur.  Indeed,
that's almost exactly what they are developed and tested for ...

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!
ebay 5852306602


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
David Hansen  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 17:54
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: David Hansen <SENDdavidNOhS...@spidacom.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:54:03 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 17:54
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:05:14 +0000 someone who may be davek
<dwkenn...@btopenworld.com> wrote this:-

>Here's an extract from the letter that came home from school:
>"It is interesting to note that quiet a lot of the children who walk to
>and from school would prefer to cycle, but a significant number who
>travel by car would also like to cycle to and from school. This could
>reduce the number of cars on the road in the morning.

Which would improve safety for those children who walk and cycle to
school.

>WHile we recognise
>the very many health benefits of cycling, we would not wish to encourage
>children to cycle unless we are sure that every possible safety issue
>had been considered."

"We don't want to be blamed if anyone is killed or injured", is a
common cry, usually by those who don't want to do something but feel
saying so openly would cause them embarrassment. Do they consider
every possible safety issue for those walking or being driven to
school?

The biggest safety issue is safety in numbers, the more who cycle
the safer they are.

>And finally, does anyone have any other ideas that I could put forward
>to the school?

As well as safe routes to school there is also parking. The teachers
have probably appropriated some of the playground for themselves as
car parking spaces. However, suggesting that some of this is
returned to the children as cycle parking and the lazy teachers come
to school in some other way or park further away may not be helpful.
Cycle parking does need to be prominent though, not tucked away
where bikes can be vandalised.

A group of enthusiastic parents and teachers are the most important
thing.

--
  David Hansen, Edinburgh
 I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Simon Brooke  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 17:34
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:34:43 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 17:34
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
in message <1137075349.324379.106...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,

naked_draughtsman ('newsaddr...@the-pev.co.uk') wrote:
> davek wrote:
>> The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made safer
>> for children

> I think free helmets for children might come up on the list!

Why?

--
si...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

                ;; not so much a refugee from reality, more a bogus
                ;; asylum seeker


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Ian Smith  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 18:36
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: Ian Smith <i...@astounding.org.uk>
Date: 12 Jan 2006 18:36:19 GMT
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 18:36
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
On Thu, 12 Jan, Paul - xxx <notcheckede...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Peter Fox came up with the following;:

> > Helmets are irrelevant when it comes to safety

>  No they're not.

In the relevant context,

>  I agree they're not a lot of use on a road in traffic,

which was cycling to school, presumably on a road in traffic, they are
substantially irrelevant.

regards,  Ian SMith
--
  |\ /|      no .sig
  |o o|
  |/ \|


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Tony Raven  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 18:38
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: Tony Raven <j...@raven-family.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:38:25 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 18:38
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

And copy them the NCB Report recently posted here:
http://www.ncb.org.uk/resources/cyclingreport_timgill.pdf

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Jack Ouzzi  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 18:51
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: Jack Ouzzi <nos...@nowayhozay.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:51:46 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 18:51
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed
On 12 Jan 2006 06:54:21 -0800, "David Martin"

<martin-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>davek wrote:
>Educate school run drivers in how to deal with children on bikes (ie
>give them lots of room, look carefully to see if there is somewhere
>they may suddenly turn right into with no signals etc. and above all,
>slow down and treat them as equals on the road.)

Ha ......... about as much chance as snow on Christmas Day.

I recently gave up driving a school bus due to ignorant, arrogant,
selfish, rude, inconsiderate, bullish, violent and downright dangerous
school run parents parking in the school bus area, pavements, school
pedestrian entrance, private house driveways ........... shall I go
on?

Their loss not mine ........ Now they can't get drivers for love nor
money ..... Ha!

As for slow down and treat as equals .........

Oh and not sexist but fact ...... mostly women


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Zog The Undeniable  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 18:57
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: Zog The Undeniable <hrothga...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:57:48 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 18:57
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

David Martin wrote:
> naked_draughtsman wrote:

>>davek wrote:

>>>The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made safer
>>>for children

>>I think free helmets for children might come up on the list!

> <plonk>!

No...he's right, they almost certainly will.  He didn't express a view
as to whether this was a Good Thing.

    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Ambrose Nankivell  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 19:49
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: "Ambrose Nankivell" <ambro...@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:49:52 -0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 19:49
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <1137075349.324379.106...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> naked_draughtsman ('newsaddr...@the-pev.co.uk') wrote:

>> davek wrote:
>>> The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made
>>> safer for children

>> I think free helmets for children might come up on the list!

> Why?

Because it always does, doesn't it.

It protects the children from the 4x4 that the person who proposed helmets
is parking on the pavement.
--
Ambrose


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
John B  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 19:55
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: John B <noth...@nowhere.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:55:13 GMT
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 19:55
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

I agree. IME most parents who want their children to have cycle training
seem to think helmets are compulsory anyway.

The plonk is too harsh.

John B


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
John B  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 19:57
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: John B <noth...@nowhere.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:57:08 GMT
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 19:57
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

davek wrote:
> My son's school recently conducted a survey to investigate how children
> get to school. One of the key findings of the survey was that only 1 per
> cent of children currently cycle to school but approximately 38 per cent
> would prefer cycling rather than their current means of transport.
> <snip>

> The school is also canvassing views on how cycling might be made safer
> for children. The obvious idea that springs to mind is for the school to
> run cycling training. I'm going to put this forward at the meeting that
> is being held to discuss the matter, but I need to know a few facts first.

> How does the school go about organising such training?
> How can training be funded? Will the council cough up?

Pretty well the same results have been found here.
Maybe the below will give some ideas.

I am working closely with a school where the parents (and teachers) have been
asking for ways to make it safer for their children. Much of the
pressure is
a result of the traffic levels in the area. It is on the outskirts of a large
town and the roads around the school are being used as a rat-run at the same
time as parents are dropping off their kids in their 4x4s.
Many parents see the rat-runners as the main danger rather than themselves.

I have arranged for cycle training for all Year 5 children to be available
from this Spring. The aim is to raise those cycling in this group from
1% to
50%. It covers nearly 100 children. It is unfortunate that Year 6 will
not be
covered but the school naturally wishes to reap the benefits by having this
year's Year 5 riding to school next year before they go off to Secondary
education.

A prime aim is to reduce the school-run and ease congestion outside the
gates. The school-run problem is often an emotive subject but one that most
seem to understand - even those who are part of it. With this in mind parents
are also being invited to join in the training so they too can help reduce
the traffic.
They are enthusiastic and there are tentative plans to introduce
'Cycling-Buses' once the training is underway. Teachers are also to be
encourged to receive Adult Cycle Training and it is possible a large end of
year ride/picnic may be held in the Summer.

Bikes are to be checked after this next half-term when Dr Bike will visit.
Publicity material on the National Standards scheme will also be going
out to
all parents. The fun, health and safety elements are all being stressed.
It is hoped a local 'celebrity' of some kind will launch the training and
then award the certificates.
Good publicity matters a lot to schools today and cycling is a good vehicle
for this.

The training  is to be built into the School Travel Plan.
LAs can provide funding for things like bike sheds when a Travel Plan is
approved.
If your school does not have a Plan encourage them to develop one.

Funding is to be by the parents themselves in the same way as they pay for
music lessons, although some local authority support is to be sought
(but not
expected). The cost is not seen to be a problem and it does seem parents are
willing to pay for good training.

I am lucky in that I have already trained some the children at the school
privately and they have been telling their friends what fun it all is. The
parents off these children have been wonderful in promoting the idea of
training. I am also lucky that the staff and governors are very supportive
and recognise the benefits from several angles.

Best of all, the school has agreed that the training can take place during
school hours so there is little conflict with out-of-school clubs and
activities.

> We are in east Kent - does anyone know of any local organisations that
> might be able to give me more information?

The local authority is probably not the best option - this is not a comment
on East Kent, rather that LAs can get too bogged down in some rather wierd
ideas about what safety is about.
The National Standard Training focusses on the right issues - riding a bike
rather than avoiding other traffic.
I suggest you contact the CTC training helpline. A list of instructors is
here:

http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4196

You should be able to contact  someone qualified to deliver the National
Standards.
Arrange for them (and you) to visit the school and meet the head and
governors - and perhaps the PTA. It will be important to have a plan with
clear aims - reducing traffic, promoting exercise and a healthy lifestyle,
and developing independence. Don't forget that by also taking on the admin
burden you are also helping teachers.

Good luck.

John B


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Eatmorepies  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 19:58
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: "Eatmorepies" <naj9dayn...@lineone.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:58:40 -0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 19:58
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

"davek" <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message

news:42n60uF1h6t45U1@individual.net...

> My son's school recently conducted a survey to investigate how children
> get to school. One of the key findings of the survey was that only 1 per
> cent of children currently cycle to school but approximately 38 per cent
> would prefer cycling rather than their current means of transport.

> Here's an extract from the letter that came home from school:
> "It is interesting to note that quiet a lot of the children who walk to
> and from school would prefer to cycle, but a significant number who travel
> by car would also like to cycle to and from school. This could reduce the
> number of cars on the road in the morning. WHile we recognise the very
> many health benefits of cycling, we would not wish to encourage children
> to cycle unless we are sure that every possible safety issue had been
> considered."

> Very encouraging.

Roads are now too dangerous for kids to cycle safely without adult
supervision. A train with an adult front and back may work but to send him
out on his own is not advised.

John


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
davek  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 21:15
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: davek <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:15:57 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 21:15
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

Dave Larrington wrote:
> Another obvious answer is to reduce the number of cars in the vicinity
> of the school by, ooh, encouraging more children to cycle to school
> rather than be driven there.

Yes, that was one of the things the head said in her letter. This is why
I'm so encouraged - it seems to be more than just a theoretical
exercise, they are genuinely keen to get kids cycling to school.

I think the vast majority of the school's intake lives within 1 or 2
miles so it makes a lot of sense. It really upsets me the number of
parents who drive their kids in, and then find that the nearest parking
space they can find to the school is almost as far away as their home...
yet still they continue to drive in...

The local schools joined forces to start up a walking bus scheme earlier
this year, which has been a huge success, so let's hope the cycling
campaign can be equally successful.

d.


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
davek  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 21:23
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: davek <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:23:48 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 21:23
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

David Martin wrote:
> Have a look at the safe routes to schools web site and contact them for
> more ideas.

Will do. Not heard of them before (but the website was easy enough to find).

> Ask for assistance from the school in terms of details of the catchment
> area and get out at the weekend with one or two amenable kids and a
> digital camera[1]

Hmm, interesting idea. Will definitely give that some thought. I'm sure
I could find a few volunteers. Perhaps we could get a "cycling bus"
scheme going in parallel with the walking bus.

> Educate school run drivers in how to deal with children on bikes

Getting to the parents would be the easy part. That still leaves the
majority of vehicles on the road at that time of day that are not school
traffic.

> And, when it all kicks off, get lots of local paper publicity.

Yes, good thinking.

Thanks for all the excellent suggestions - plenty to think about there.

d.


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
davek  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 21:24
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: davek <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:24:52 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 21:24
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

dulwich_cycl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> i suggest you contact the cycle training helpline run by the CTC on
> behalf of Cycling England

Thanks for the suggestion, Paul. Will follow it up.

d.


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Tony Raven  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 21:26
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: Tony Raven <j...@raven-family.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:26:34 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 21:26
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

John B wrote:

> I am working closely with a school where the parents (and teachers) have been
> asking for ways to make it safer for their children. Much of the
> pressure is
> a result of the traffic levels in the area. It is on the outskirts of a large
> town and the roads around the school are being used as a rat-run at the same
> time as parents are dropping off their kids in their 4x4s.
> Many parents see the rat-runners as the main danger rather than themselves.

I bet once you get 50 kids out on the streets on their bikes, suddenly
the roads will become a lot less attractive to the rat runners.  Its the
unimpeded journey that attracts them and once they have suffered the
"frustration" of being held up by cyclists for a few seconds and realise
it will be a regular occurrence they will find another rat run.

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
davek  
View profile   Translate to Translated (View Original)
 More options 12 Jan 2006, 21:29
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: davek <dwkenn...@btopenworld.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:29:48 +0000
Local: Thurs 12 Jan 2006 21:29
Subject: Re: cycling to school - advice needed

Peter Fox wrote:
> the accident that never happens is
> 100% survivable

Nicely put. I shall use that phrase. :-)

> One way to improve cycle safety is to reduce traffic.  Some schools have
> a no-car zone for such a distance others stop motorised movements until
> after those on foot and cycle have had time to disperse at the end of
> the day.

Hmm, nice idea but not likely to happen - the school is on the high
street, which is invariably clogged with delivery vans, buses and people
driving to work at that time of day. Fortunately, it's so congested that
motor traffic is rarely moving above walking pace...

> If the school is conducting pupil surveys they might want to plot
> isochrones - the time it takes to travel to school say 10min on foot
> 5min on bike for starters.

Interesting idea - wonder if it could also be used to make parents see
that it often takes them /longer/ to do the journey by car once you
factor in the time it takes to find a parking space and walk the
remaining distance...

Thanks for your thoughts.

d.


    Reply to author    Forward  
You must Sign in before you can post messages.
To post a message, you must first join this group.
Please update your nickname on the subscription settings page before posting.
You do not have the permission required to post.
Messages 1 - 25 of 175   Newer >
« Back to Discussions « Newer topic     Older topic »

Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy
©2009 Google