Yes, those little terrorists must be dealt with just like with the big ones.
One thing to note, though, is that for all the waste fighting those little terrorists it's still a bargain compared to fighting the big terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Chill out. Please notice that the NYT (and the original BBC article) are press spins by the Vélib operator "JCDecaux". JCDecaux would like some more money besides the 80 million euros they make yearly on the commercial displays on the Vélib bicycles and their stations. So they allegedly throttled maintenance (according to JCDecaux employees) for a while and made a press campaign that plays on peoples rather predictable prejudices on immigrant workers and young people. Besides making JCDecaux wads of cash, the city of Paris also has a yearly income of nearly 20 million euro from the Vélib user fees. With an average of 80.000 daily users the program is hardly in shambles as portrayed in the NYT article.
$3.500 bicycles have nothing to do with the actual cost of producing the bicycles, but are the value assigned by JCDecaux.
> Chill out. Please notice that the NYT (and the original BBC article) > are press spins by the Vélib operator "JCDecaux". JCDecaux would like > some more money besides the 80 million euros they make yearly on the > commercial displays on the Vélib bicycles and their stations. So they > allegedly throttled maintenance (according to JCDecaux employees) for > a while and made a press campaign that plays on peoples rather > predictable prejudices on immigrant workers and young people. Besides > making JCDecaux wads of cash, the city of Paris also has a yearly > income of nearly 20 million euro from the Vélib user fees. With an > average of 80.000 daily users the program is hardly in shambles as > portrayed in the NYT article.
> $3.500 bicycles have nothing to do with the actual cost of producing > the bicycles, but are the value assigned by JCDecaux.
> > Chill out. Please notice that the NYT (and the original BBC article) > > are press spins by the Vélib operator "JCDecaux". JCDecaux would like > > some more money besides the 80 million euros they make yearly on the > > commercial displays on the Vélib bicycles and their stations. So they > > allegedly throttled maintenance (according to JCDecaux employees) for > > a while and made a press campaign that plays on peoples rather > > predictable prejudices on immigrant workers and young people. Besides > > making JCDecaux wads of cash, the city of Paris also has a yearly > > income of nearly 20 million euro from the Vélib user fees. With an > > average of 80.000 daily users the program is hardly in shambles as > > portrayed in the NYT article.
> > $3.500 bicycles have nothing to do with the actual cost of producing > > the bicycles, but are the value assigned by JCDecaux.
> > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages > > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. > > -- > > PeteCresswell
> I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly > elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's > distorted worldview.
I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and destroy things.
I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean, but I like peace and safety in the jungle.
> > > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages > > > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. > > > -- > > > PeteCresswell
> > I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly > > elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's > > distorted worldview.
> I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by > Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.
> But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and > destroy things.
We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.
> I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,
He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the man with the actor's roles.
> but I like peace and safety in > the jungle.
I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of misery.
> On Nov 3, 4:27 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 2, 9:21 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 2:07 am, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
> > > > Per ComandanteBanana:
> > > > >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by > > > > >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
> > > > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages > > > > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. > > > > -- > > > > PeteCresswell
> > > I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly > > > elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's > > > distorted worldview.
> > I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by > > Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
> I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.
> > But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and > > destroy things.
> We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would > put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.
> > I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,
> He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the > man with the actor's roles.
> > but I like peace and safety in > > the jungle.
> I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of > government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > misery.
> Andre Jute > Oldfashioned liberal- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who wrote...
You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical depression?
I think the latter prevails, though.
That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 4:27 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 2, 9:21 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 2:07 am, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
> > > > > Per ComandanteBanana:
> > > > > >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by > > > > > >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
> > > > > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages > > > > > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. > > > > > -- > > > > > PeteCresswell
> > > > I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly > > > > elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's > > > > distorted worldview.
> > > I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by > > > Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
> > I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.
> > > But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and > > > destroy things.
> > We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would > > put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.
> > > I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,
> > He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the > > man with the actor's roles.
> > > but I like peace and safety in > > > the jungle.
> > I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of > > government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > misery.
> > Andre Jute > > Oldfashioned liberal- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who > wrote...
> You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical > depression?
> I think the latter prevails, though.
> That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> On Nov 3, 12:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 4:27 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 2, 9:21 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 2:07 am, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > Per ComandanteBanana:
> > > > > > >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by > > > > > > >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
> > > > > > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages > > > > > > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > PeteCresswell
> > > > > I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly > > > > > elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's > > > > > distorted worldview.
> > > > I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by > > > > Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
> > > I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.
> > > > But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and > > > > destroy things.
> > > We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would > > > put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.
> > > > I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,
> > > He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the > > > man with the actor's roles.
> > > > but I like peace and safety in > > > > the jungle.
> > > I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of > > > government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. > > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > > misery.
> > > Andre Jute > > > Oldfashioned liberal- Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
> > You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who > > wrote...
> > You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical > > depression?
> > I think the latter prevails, though.
> > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
On Nov 3, 7:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > misery.
> > Andre Jute > > Oldfashioned liberal
> You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who > wrote...
> You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical > depression?
> I think the latter prevails, though.
Are you surprised that I comtemptuously treat you as a tenth rate fool, Banana? I talk of raising the poor to the middle classes and you find it boring.
> That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
And then you tell me your idea of political action is listening to Bob Marley.
I don't need to say any more. I just won't waste any more time reading your posts.
On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 12:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > > misery.
> > > Andre Jute > > > Oldfashioned liberal > > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> Doubt that he'll be able to appreciate Bob Marley.
Andres Muro is another tenth-rater who thinks the revolution consists of smoking dope and listerning to Bob Marley.
It is embarrassing to know such people, even virtually on the net.
Andre Jute Listening to Bach's Cantata 199 "Mein Herze Schwimmt im Blut"
> On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 12:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > > > misery.
> > > > Andre Jute > > > > Oldfashioned liberal > > > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> > Doubt that he'll be able to appreciate Bob Marley.
> Andres Muro is another tenth-rater who thinks the revolution consists > of smoking dope and listerning to Bob Marley.
> It is embarrassing to know such people, even virtually on the net.
> Andre Jute > Listening to Bach's Cantata 199 "Mein Herze Schwimmt im Blut"
Andre Jute is a very insecure Afrikaaner who love to insult anyone who does not see the world through his glasses and who obviously does not like Marley. He seems to believe that anyone who like Marley is a pot smoking revolutionary wannabe.
Andre Jute would benefit from taking a Chill Pill. Even better, he may benefit from smoking some pot and listening to Marley. That way he may become less of a bitter ol',man. , Although, due to his very conventional, while farily broad and encyclopedic thinking, he will never be a revolutionary.
> On Nov 3, 7:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > > misery.
> > > Andre Jute > > > Oldfashioned liberal
> > You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who > > wrote...
> > You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical > > depression?
> > I think the latter prevails, though.
> Are you surprised that I comtemptuously treat you as a tenth rate > fool, Banana? I talk of raising the poor to the middle classes and you > find it boring.
> > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> And then you tell me your idea of political action is listening to Bob > Marley.
> I don't need to say any more. I just won't waste any more time reading > your posts.
> Andre Jute > The real thing
Man oh man! you do have difficulty reading metaphorically and interpreting. For having read so much I am surprised that you have so much difficulty with language. That suggests very limited exposure and the fact that even though you travelled so much you always kept your mind shut. The criticism about your ideology was not an economic one but a cultural one. The suggestion about listening to Marley was not about taking any political action but about chilling out which obviously you are incapable of.
You'd likely argue that you relax to the sound of Bach and a glass of Carbernet. Problem is that while you may be able to relax a bit, you are not able to chill out. Hence, you continue to be a bitter ol'man. You ought to try alternating Cabernet and Bach w/ Beer and Marley, Beethoven and Champagne, Manu Chau and Tequila and Tchaikovsky and Chardonnay. This won't make you a revolutionary. It may open your mind just a little.
> On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 12:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > > > misery.
> > > > Andre Jute > > > > Oldfashioned liberal > > > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> > Doubt that he'll be able to appreciate Bob Marley.
> Andres Muro is another tenth-rater who thinks the revolution consists > of smoking dope and listerning to Bob Marley.
> It is embarrassing to know such people, even virtually on the net.
> Andre Jute > Listening to Bach's Cantata 199 "Mein Herze Schwimmt im Blut"
> On Nov 4, 2:33 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 12:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > > > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > > > > misery.
> > > > > Andre Jute > > > > > Oldfashioned liberal > > > > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> > > Doubt that he'll be able to appreciate Bob Marley.
> > Andres Muro is another tenth-rater who thinks the revolution consists > > of smoking dope and listerning to Bob Marley.
> > It is embarrassing to know such people, even virtually on the net.
> > Andre Jute > > Listening to Bach's Cantata 199 "Mein Herze Schwimmt im Blut"
> Andre Jute is a very insecure Afrikaaner who love to insult anyone who > does not see the world through his glasses and who obviously does not > like Marley. He seems to believe that anyone who like Marley is a pot > smoking revolutionary wannabe.
> Andre Jute would benefit from taking a Chill Pill. Even better, he may > benefit from smoking some pot and listening to Marley. That way he may > become less of a bitter ol',man. , Although, due to his very > conventional, while farily broad and encyclopedic thinking, he will > never be a revolutionary.- Hide quoted text -
> On Nov 4, 2:09 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 7:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > > > > not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > > > > misery.
> > > > Andre Jute > > > > Oldfashioned liberal
> > > You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who > > > wrote...
> > > You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical > > > depression?
> > > I think the latter prevails, though.
> > Are you surprised that I comtemptuously treat you as a tenth rate > > fool, Banana? I talk of raising the poor to the middle classes and you > > find it boring.
> > > That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man!
> > And then you tell me your idea of political action is listening to Bob > > Marley.
> > I don't need to say any more. I just won't waste any more time reading > > your posts.
> > Andre Jute > > The real thing
> Man oh man! you do have difficulty reading metaphorically and > interpreting. For having read so much I am surprised that you have so > much difficulty with language. That suggests very limited exposure and > the fact that even though you travelled so much you always kept your > mind shut. The criticism about your ideology was not an economic one > but a cultural one. The suggestion about listening to Marley was not > about taking any political action but about chilling out which > obviously you are incapable of.
> You'd likely argue that you relax to the sound of Bach and a glass of > Carbernet. Problem is that while you may be able to relax a bit, you > are not able to chill out. Hence, you continue to be a bitter ol'man. > You ought to try alternating Cabernet and Bach w/ Beer and Marley, > Beethoven and Champagne, Manu Chau and Tequila and Tchaikovsky and > Chardonnay. This won't make you a revolutionary. It may open your mind > just a little.- Hide quoted text -
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Right on, it's INSECURITY that often keeps them from enjoying the best things in life.
The sheep are very steady in their behavior, or so they claim to be.
KingOfTheApes wrote: > On Nov 4, 8:57 am, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote: >> On Nov 4, 2:09 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 7:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, >>>>> not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of >>>>> misery. >>>>> Andre Jute >>>>> Oldfashioned liberal >>>> You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who >>>> wrote... >>>> You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical >>>> depression? >>>> I think the latter prevails, though. >>> Are you surprised that I comtemptuously treat you as a tenth rate >>> fool, Banana? I talk of raising the poor to the middle classes and you >>> find it boring. >>>> That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man! >>> And then you tell me your idea of political action is listening to Bob >>> Marley. >>> I don't need to say any more. I just won't waste any more time reading >>> your posts. >>> Andre Jute >>> The real thing >> Man oh man! you do have difficulty reading metaphorically and >> interpreting. For having read so much I am surprised that you have so >> much difficulty with language. That suggests very limited exposure and >> the fact that even though you travelled so much you always kept your >> mind shut. The criticism about your ideology was not an economic one >> but a cultural one. The suggestion about listening to Marley was not >> about taking any political action but about chilling out which >> obviously you are incapable of.
>> You'd likely argue that you relax to the sound of Bach and a glass of >> Carbernet. Problem is that while you may be able to relax a bit, you >> are not able to chill out. Hence, you continue to be a bitter ol'man. >> You ought to try alternating Cabernet and Bach w/ Beer and Marley, >> Beethoven and Champagne, Manu Chau and Tequila and Tchaikovsky and >> Chardonnay. This won't make you a revolutionary. It may open your mind >> just a little.- Hide quoted text -
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> Right on, it's INSECURITY that often keeps them from enjoying the best > things in life.
> The sheep are very steady in their behavior, or so they claim to be.
> KingOfTheApes wrote: > > On Nov 4, 8:57 am, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote: > >> On Nov 4, 2:09 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Nov 3, 7:59 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>> On Nov 3, 1:27 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>> This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > >>>>> not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > >>>>> misery. > >>>>> Andre Jute > >>>>> Oldfashioned liberal > >>>> You sound so STATUS QUO, almost depressed... like the people who > >>>> wrote... > >>>> You know, high like in smoking weed or low like in clinical > >>>> depression? > >>>> I think the latter prevails, though. > >>> Are you surprised that I comtemptuously treat you as a tenth rate > >>> fool, Banana? I talk of raising the poor to the middle classes and you > >>> find it boring. > >>>> That's why I prefer to listen to Bob Marley. Yeah man! > >>> And then you tell me your idea of political action is listening to Bob > >>> Marley. > >>> I don't need to say any more. I just won't waste any more time reading > >>> your posts. > >>> Andre Jute > >>> The real thing > >> Man oh man! you do have difficulty reading metaphorically and > >> interpreting. For having read so much I am surprised that you have so > >> much difficulty with language. That suggests very limited exposure and > >> the fact that even though you travelled so much you always kept your > >> mind shut. The criticism about your ideology was not an economic one > >> but a cultural one. The suggestion about listening to Marley was not > >> about taking any political action but about chilling out which > >> obviously you are incapable of.
> >> You'd likely argue that you relax to the sound of Bach and a glass of > >> Carbernet. Problem is that while you may be able to relax a bit, you > >> are not able to chill out. Hence, you continue to be a bitter ol'man. > >> You ought to try alternating Cabernet and Bach w/ Beer and Marley, > >> Beethoven and Champagne, Manu Chau and Tequila and Tchaikovsky and > >> Chardonnay. This won't make you a revolutionary. It may open your mind > >> just a little.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Right on, it's INSECURITY that often keeps them from enjoying the best > > things in life.
> > The sheep are very steady in their behavior, or so they claim to be.
> Relax/puff/chill/enjoy.
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Exactly, you guys may enjoy this viewpoint. Be ready to feel LOW, HIGH or simply GOOD... ;)
Many people are afraid of reggae not only for their POLITICAL MESSAGE, but because REGGAE IS HOT, and they may lose control over the MONKEY WITHIN... ;)
"Hey, don't you feel some times like hearing the Call of the Wild?"
(Hey, don't forget to see the back. It's all about LIBERATION, you know)
<fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Nov 3, 4:27 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Nov 2, 9:21 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 3, 2:07 am, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
>> > > Per ComandanteBanana:
>> > > >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by >> > > >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
>> > > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages >> > > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. >> > > -- >> > > PeteCresswell
>> > I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly >> > elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's >> > distorted worldview.
>> I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by >> Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
>I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.
>> But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and >> destroy things.
>We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would >put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.
>> I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,
>He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the >man with the actor's roles.
>> but I like peace and safety in >> the jungle.
>I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of >government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. >This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, >not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of >misery.
>Andre Jute >Oldfashioned liberal
I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.
Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:27:24 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >On Nov 3, 4:27 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Nov 2, 9:21 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > On Nov 3, 2:07 am, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote:
> >> > > Per ComandanteBanana:
> >> > > >"They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by > >> > > >resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say."
> >> > > I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages > >> > > had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. > >> > > -- > >> > > PeteCresswell
> >> > I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly > >> > elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's > >> > distorted worldview.
> >> I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by > >> Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE.
> >I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer.
> >> But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and > >> destroy things.
> >We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would > >put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week.
> >> I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean,
> >He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the > >man with the actor's roles.
> >> but I like peace and safety in > >> the jungle.
> >I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of > >government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. > >This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, > >not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of > >misery.
> >Andre Jute > >Oldfashioned liberal
> I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of > labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. > It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.
> Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society > where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor can we keep our > parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, > however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's > a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, > have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will > drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't > think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the > Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure > hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.- Hide quoted text -
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What can say, brother, that was a TRIP. The way things will recorded in history if we ever have to write it.
In article <prp3f59sudcbi72ujohkpsc35c8bkkh...@4ax.com>,
dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote: > I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of > labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. > It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent.
Most revolutions end up being tools whereby the strong oppress the weak, usually after getting the weak to do the heavy lifting of revolt. Not infrequently the weak are no better off than they were before.
> Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society > where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all.
Nor, ironically enough, can we afford to not have health care financing for all (health care finance being the hurdle here).
> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people > educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two > unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, > have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will > drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't > think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the > Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure > hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
> In article <prp3f59sudcbi72ujohkpsc35c8bkkh...@4ax.com>, > dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote: [...] >> Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people >> educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two >> unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war.
Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain.
> Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper > long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. > It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, > city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public > welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many > years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our > schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity > is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy.
All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No wonder they are so fucked up! And all schooling is in the hands of liberals too. No wonder that is equally fucked up!
>> Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, >> have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will >> drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't >> think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the >> Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure >> hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.
Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the Glenn Beck show on Fox News to get the facts.
> Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009.
Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with Obama because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another Reagan!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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