Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by cyclists on pavements.
"Two people have been injured after a car crashed through the window of a fruit and vegetable shop.
The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham near Bath.
Emergency services were called to the crash and Avon Fire Brigade has sent three appliances to assist with the rescue operation.
Police have closed the High Street and Bath Hill."
> Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction > caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by > cyclists on pavements.
> "Two people have been injured after a car crashed through the window > of a fruit and vegetable shop.
> The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the > car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham > near Bath.
> Emergency services were called to the crash and Avon Fire Brigade has > sent three appliances to assist with the rescue operation.
> Police have closed the High Street and Bath Hill."
> On 6 Nov, 16:01, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
> > Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction > > caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by > > cyclists on pavements.
> > "Two people have been injured after a car crashed through the window > > of a fruit and vegetable shop.
> > The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the > > car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham > > near Bath.
> > Emergency services were called to the crash and Avon Fire Brigade has > > sent three appliances to assist with the rescue operation.
> > Police have closed the High Street and Bath Hill."
Mike P wrote: > On 6 Nov, 16:01, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote: >> Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction >> caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by >> cyclists on pavements.
>> "Two people have been injured after a car crashed through the window >> of a fruit and vegetable shop.
>> The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the >> car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham >> near Bath.
>> Emergency services were called to the crash and Avon Fire Brigade has >> sent three appliances to assist with the rescue operation.
>> Police have closed the High Street and Bath Hill."
Doug wrote: > Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction > caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by > cyclists on pavements.
> "Two people have been injured after a car crashed through the window > of a fruit and vegetable shop.
> The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the > car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham > near Bath.
> Emergency services were called to the crash and Avon Fire Brigade has > sent three appliances to assist with the rescue operation.
> Police have closed the High Street and Bath Hill."
> Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction > caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by > cyclists on pavements.
> "Two people have been injured after a car crashed through the window > of a fruit and vegetable shop.
> The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the > car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham > near Bath.
> Emergency services were called to the crash and Avon Fire Brigade > has > sent three appliances to assist with the rescue operation.
> Police have closed the High Street and Bath Hill."
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:01:20 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote: >Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction >caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by >cyclists on pavements.
<snip>
I don't see what's so amazing about it; a car is much heavier than a bike, of course it's going to cause much more damage if it hits something or someone. Talk about stating the bloody obvious!
Mike Ross wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:01:20 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> > wrote:
>> Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction >> caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by >> cyclists on pavements.
> <snip>
> I don't see what's so amazing about it; a car is much heavier than a > bike, of course it's going to cause much more damage if it hits > something or someone. Talk about stating the bloody obvious!
> Mike
also of course car journeys and their distance covered outnumber bicycle journeys and their miniscule distances by many times (thousands, tens of thousands, millions?)
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:01:20 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>>Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction >>caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by >>cyclists on pavements.
> <snip>
> I don't see what's so amazing about it; a car is much heavier than a bike, > of > course it's going to cause much more damage if it hits something or > someone. > Talk about stating the bloody obvious!
The poor soul is constantly unsure whether it's the case or not, despite no-one else having any doubt. So he has to keep reminding himself by posting off-topic rubbish like this. It's OT for urc (though he mentions bikes, so of course that make it OK). What relevance making such a statement is to uk.legal, I have no idea.
Ian wrote: > "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote in message > news:6a7b6a3c-8da2-4a1e-ad57-dae76b69e528@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... >> Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction >> caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by >> cyclists on pavements.
>> "Two people have been injured after a car crashed through the window >> of a fruit and vegetable shop.
>> The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the >> car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham >> near Bath.
>> Emergency services were called to the crash and Avon Fire Brigade >> has >> sent three appliances to assist with the rescue operation.
>> Police have closed the High Street and Bath Hill."
> Were any wurzels damaged?
Listen to Combine Harvester & make up your own mind.
> Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction > caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by > cyclists on pavements.
> "Two people have been injured after a car crashed through the window > of a fruit and vegetable shop.
> The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the > car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham > near Bath.
> Emergency services were called to the crash and Avon Fire Brigade has > sent three appliances to assist with the rescue operation.
> Police have closed the High Street and Bath Hill."
> Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction > caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by > cyclists on pavements.
> "Two people have been injured after a car crashed through the window > of a fruit and vegetable shop.
> The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the > car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham > near Bath.
> Emergency services were called to the crash and Avon Fire Brigade has > sent three appliances to assist with the rescue operation.
> Police have closed the High Street and Bath Hill."
Proof that if you're gonna do something stupid in a vehicle, do it one that surrounds you in steel and make it as big and heavy as possible. If a 77 yr-old went through a window on a push bike they'd be dead :)
Doug wrote: > The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the > car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham > near Bath.
On 6 Nov, 17:57, Mike Ross <m...@corestore.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:01:20 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote: > >Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction > >caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by > >cyclists on pavements.
> <snip>
> I don't see what's so amazing about it; a car is much heavier than a bike, of > course it's going to cause much more damage if it hits something or someone. > Talk about stating the bloody obvious!
Yes but my reason is we hear so often on newsgroups about cyclists on pavements and so rarely about motorists on pavements, despite the huge difference in danger caused.
-- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
> On 6 Nov, 17:57, Mike Ross <m...@corestore.org> wrote:> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:01:20 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote: > > >Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction > > >caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by > > >cyclists on pavements.
> > <snip>
> > I don't see what's so amazing about it; a car is much heavier than a bike, of > > course it's going to cause much more damage if it hits something or someone. > > Talk about stating the bloody obvious!
> Yes but my reason is we hear so often on newsgroups about cyclists on > pavements and so rarely about motorists on pavements, despite the huge > difference in danger caused.
The difference is that cars usually go onto the pavement in error whereas a lot of cyclists deliberately ride on the pavement.
> On 7 Nov, 07:59, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:> On 6 Nov, 17:57, Mike Ross <m...@corestore.org> wrote:> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:01:20 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote: > > > >Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction > > > >caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by > > > >cyclists on pavements.
> > > <snip>
> > > I don't see what's so amazing about it; a car is much heavier than a bike, of > > > course it's going to cause much more damage if it hits something or someone. > > > Talk about stating the bloody obvious!
> > Yes but my reason is we hear so often on newsgroups about cyclists on > > pavements and so rarely about motorists on pavements, despite the huge > > difference in danger caused.
> The difference is that cars usually go onto the pavement in error > whereas a lot of cyclists deliberately ride on the pavement.
Nope. Loads of cars are parked on pavements and therefore are driven there. Occasionally too cars can be seen actually driving along pavements but these are seldom ever mentioned.
>> The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the >> car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham >> near Bath.
>>> The victims, thought to be a customer and an elderly driver of the >>> car, are being treated at the scene at the High Street, in Keynsham >>> near Bath.
> There's nothing worse than happily cycling along a pavement only to > find some inconsiderate so-and-so has parked their car on it.
or there is a pedestrian on it, or worse still a female with a pushchair/brats, or those real spongers the disabled in their electric wheelchairs, what a f@@@ing liberty !
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:59:53 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote: >On 6 Nov, 17:57, Mike Ross <m...@corestore.org> wrote: >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:01:20 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote: >> >Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction >> >caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by >> >cyclists on pavements.
>> <snip>
>> I don't see what's so amazing about it; a car is much heavier than a bike, of >> course it's going to cause much more damage if it hits something or someone. >> Talk about stating the bloody obvious!
>Yes but my reason is we hear so often on newsgroups about cyclists on >pavements and so rarely about motorists on pavements, despite the huge >difference in danger caused.
Ahh well that's a different question entirely; let's face it, it's hardly unknown for cyclists to deliberately cycle on the pavement. It's very rare indeed for a car to be driven on the pavement *deliberately*.
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:59:53 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>On 6 Nov, 17:57, Mike Ross <m...@corestore.org> wrote: >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:01:20 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote: >> >Its amazing how many are killed and injured and so much destruction >> >caused by cars on pavements, and so few and so little caused by >> >cyclists on pavements.
>> <snip>
>> I don't see what's so amazing about it; a car is much heavier than a bike, of >> course it's going to cause much more damage if it hits something or someone. >> Talk about stating the bloody obvious!
>Yes but my reason is we hear so often on newsgroups about cyclists on >pavements and so rarely about motorists on pavements, despite the huge >difference in danger caused.
No, your reasoning is shoving someone is acceptable because its not as bad as stabbing them.
Hence you have to come out with more and more extreme examples from non-cyclists to justify dangerous and anti-social behaviour by cyclists.
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:59:53 -0800 (PST), Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>>Yes but my reason is we hear so often on newsgroups about cyclists on >>pavements and so rarely about motorists on pavements, despite the huge >>difference in danger caused.
> Ahh well that's a different question entirely; let's face it, it's hardly > unknown for cyclists to deliberately cycle on the pavement. It's very rare > indeed for a car to be driven on the pavement *deliberately*.
It is fairly common to drive a car on the pavement *deliberately*.
Today I needed to enter a car park which meant crossing the pavement to do so. As I drew up a pair of pedestrians who were walking along the pavement stopped to allow me to go. Of course I didn't, I instead yielded to their right of way. AFAIUI pedestrians have right of way over all traffic on the pavement. I thought this was rather strange the they had given way to me, as they were in the pavement and I was on the road. However, I assumed that they were either aggressive drivers themselves who do not give way to pedestrians on the pavement themselves, or they are used to other drivers not giving way to them.
>>> Yes but my reason is we hear so often on newsgroups about cyclists >>> on pavements and so rarely about motorists on pavements, despite >>> the huge difference in danger caused.
>> Ahh well that's a different question entirely; let's face it, it's >> hardly unknown for cyclists to deliberately cycle on the pavement. >> It's very rare indeed for a car to be driven on the pavement >> *deliberately*.
> It is fairly common to drive a car on the pavement *deliberately*.
> Today I needed to enter a car park which meant crossing the pavement > to do so. As I drew up a pair of pedestrians who were walking along > the pavement stopped to allow me to go. Of course I didn't, I instead > yielded to their right of way. AFAIUI pedestrians have right of way > over all traffic on the pavement. I thought this was rather strange > the they had given way to me, as they were in the pavement and I was > on the road. However, I assumed that they were either aggressive > drivers themselves who do not give way to pedestrians on the pavement > themselves, or they are used to other drivers not giving way to them.
or sensible people that don't want to be mown down by an inattentive driver, or they realise the road is busy and it would be beneficial for you to clear the junction ASAP. Just because someone has a 'right of way' does not mean that it is always wise to take advantage of it.
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