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anern  
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 More options 6 Nov, 15:25
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cycling
From: "anern" <a...@anern.anern>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:25:30 -0000
Local: Fri 6 Nov 2009 15:25
Subject: Rotten metal ?
Hi,
    I picked up a claud butler dalesman frame, to replace a frame I broke a
chainstay on, from ebay. Before I set about prepairing it, could someone
take a look at some rust on the chainstays and let me know if they think
it's worth doing or not ?
As received :
http://www.phase7.org/stuff/P1011420.JPG
after wire brush
http://www.phase7.org/stuff/P1011434.JPG

Also, I checked the alignment of the frame rear stays using sheldon browns
method using a piece of string tied from the drops to the head tube and got
measurements of 33mm and 37mm which I figure is close enough. But the seat
stays are clearly a little bent :
http://www.phase7.org/stuff/P1011428.JPG
will this cause a problem do you think ? The other one is bent slightly
outwards.

And, I used 700x38 tyres that are very deep, anybody know a way to deal with
clearances like these ? Will I have to by shallower tyres ?
http://www.phase7.org/stuff/P1011403.JPG

Half of me says it's worth working on, the other half says it's a dog. Any
help appreciated.

Cheers,
Bruce.


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Just zis Guy, you know?  
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 More options 6 Nov, 15:44
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From: "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chap...@spamcop.net>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:44:42 +0000
Local: Fri 6 Nov 2009 15:44
Subject: Re: Rotten metal ?

This looks distinctly battered.  I have a Super Dalesman, my main
criticism of it is that it is too flexible with any kind of load on
the rack.  It has adequate clearance for 700c x 32mm tyres and
mudguards, so what size are the tyres you're using?

Guy
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anern  
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 More options 6 Nov, 18:51
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From: "anern" <a...@anern.anern>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:51:48 -0000
Local: Fri 6 Nov 2009 18:51
Subject: Re: Rotten metal ?

> This looks distinctly battered.  I have a Super Dalesman, my main
> criticism of it is that it is too flexible with any kind of load on
> the rack.  It has adequate clearance for 700c x 32mm tyres and
> mudguards, so what size are the tyres you're using?

They are 700x38 Bontranger satelite elites. As well as being wide, they are
very deep. I thought I'd be OK with a touring frame, I had no problem on the
last one.

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Rob Morley  
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 More options 6 Nov, 21:12
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From: Rob Morley <nos...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:12:21 +0000
Local: Fri 6 Nov 2009 21:12
Subject: Re: Rotten metal ?
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:25:30 -0000

"anern" <a...@anern.anern> wrote:
> Hi,
>     I picked up a claud butler dalesman frame, to replace a frame I
> broke a chainstay on, from ebay. Before I set about prepairing it,
> could someone take a look at some rust on the chainstays and let me
> know if they think it's worth doing or not ?
> As received :
> http://www.phase7.org/stuff/P1011420.JPG
> after wire brush
> http://www.phase7.org/stuff/P1011434.JPG

Looks a bit too far gone to me. Buy yourself a pair of chainstays and
have a go at brazing.  :-) http://www.ceeway.com/

> Also, I checked the alignment of the frame rear stays using sheldon
> browns method using a piece of string tied from the drops to the head
> tube and got measurements of 33mm and 37mm which I figure is close
> enough. But the seat stays are clearly a little bent :
> http://www.phase7.org/stuff/P1011428.JPG
> will this cause a problem do you think ? The other one is bent
> slightly outwards.

Bend them back.  At a pinch you can just support the tubes to be
"manipulated" on wooden blocks on the floor, and step in the right
place to bring them back into line (jumping up and down may be
required on larger tubes, an assistant may be required to stand on
another part of the frame to hold it steady).

> Half of me says it's worth working on, the other half says it's a
> dog. Any help appreciated.

Depends on your practical skills, whether you relish a challenge, if
you can be bothered ...

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Happi Monday  
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 More options 6 Nov, 21:35
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From: Happi Monday <ha...@munday.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:35:51 +0000
Local: Fri 6 Nov 2009 21:35
Subject: Re: Rotten metal ?
You paid for that? There's one born every minute....seriously, you're
wasting your time on that, IMO.

Happi.


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Just zis Guy, you know?  
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 More options 6 Nov, 22:27
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From: "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chap...@spamcop.net>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:27:08 +0000
Local: Fri 6 Nov 2009 22:27
Subject: Re: Rotten metal ?

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:51:48 -0000, "anern" <a...@anern.anern> wrote:
>> This looks distinctly battered.  I have a Super Dalesman, my main
>> criticism of it is that it is too flexible with any kind of load on
>> the rack.  It has adequate clearance for 700c x 32mm tyres and
>> mudguards, so what size are the tyres you're using?

>They are 700x38 Bontranger satelite elites. As well as being wide, they are
>very deep. I thought I'd be OK with a touring frame, I had no problem on the
>last one.

I think the Dalesman is more of an audax or light touring frame, mine
certainly is.  It's lighter and much less stiff than the old Super
Galaxy.

Incidentally, those seat stays are probably the result of the rear
triangle being cold set to take modern hubs.  Mine look a bit similar
but are more symmetrical (Bob did them for me, he's blind so does
everything twice as carefully).

Guy
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GPG public key at http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/pgp-public-key.txt


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