On 9 Nov, 18:19, "Capt. Deltic" <e...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> According to a parliamentary written answer, DfT Rail will rename > c2c Essex Thameside when the franchise comes up for reletting in > 2011.
> When it was privatised first time around the legal company name was > LTS Rail Ltd.
> Is this an example of gentrification?
> I write as an Essex boy.
I'm a bit confused. I thought there was a difference between the name of the franchise and the trademark used by the holder (and that C2C was one of the latter), like South Central V Southern?
> On 9 Nov, 18:19, "Capt. Deltic" <e...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> > According to a parliamentary written answer, DfT Rail will rename > > c2c Essex Thameside when the franchise comes up for reletting in > > 2011.
> > When it was privatised first time around the legal company name was > > LTS Rail Ltd.
> > Is this an example of gentrification?
> > I write as an Essex boy.
> I'm a bit confused. I thought there was a difference between the name > of the franchise and the trademark used by the holder (and that C2C > was one of the latter), like South Central V Southern?
Yes, that's absolutely correct. If National Express bid for, and win, the new Essex Thameside franchise, they will be able to brand it C2C; alternatively, if someone else wins it, they may be able to license the C2C brand from National Express.
The franchise name (eg South Central), the name of the franchisee (eg New Southern Railway Ltd), and the brand of the franchisee (e.g. Southern) are three completely different things with no connection to each other at all.
In message <409c61b4-0880-43eb-b336-43ac20753...@m25g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> Chafford <ibilo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On 9 Nov, 18:19, "Capt. Deltic" <e...@dial.pipex.com> wrote: > > According to a parliamentary written answer, DfT Rail will rename > > c2c =EF=BF=BDEssex Thameside when the franchise comes up for reletting in > > 2011.
> > When it was privatised first time around the legal company name was > > LTS Rail Ltd.
> > Is this an example of gentrification?
> > I write as an Essex boy.
> We're very gentrified in Chafford Hundred although I still prefer C2C > - 'City to Coast'
Always confuses me as C2C was the internal abbreviation for our news/magazine programme, Coast to Coast. Even more confusing that the latter referred to the South Coast and the, err, South Coast...
John B wrote: > On Nov 9, 6:22 pm, MIG <googles...@doreenbird.co.uk> wrote: >> On 9 Nov, 18:19, "Capt. Deltic" <e...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>> According to a parliamentary written answer, DfT Rail will rename >>> c2c Essex Thameside when the franchise comes up for reletting in >>> 2011.
>>> When it was privatised first time around the legal company name was >>> LTS Rail Ltd.
>>> Is this an example of gentrification?
>>> I write as an Essex boy.
>> I'm a bit confused. I thought there was a difference between the name >> of the franchise and the trademark used by the holder (and that C2C >> was one of the latter), like South Central V Southern?
> Yes, that's absolutely correct. If National Express bid for, and win, > the new Essex Thameside franchise, they will be able to brand it C2C; > alternatively, if someone else wins it, they may be able to license > the C2C brand from National Express.
> The franchise name (eg South Central), the name of the franchisee (eg > New Southern Railway Ltd), and the brand of the franchisee (e.g. > Southern) are three completely different things with no connection to > each other at all.
The funny thing is, there isn't much concrete information on the DfT's website about what they officially called this franchise area, presumably because the award was in the days of the SRA?.
However it is quite clearly referred to as 'Thameside' in Network Rail's various documentation such as route plans and the Greater Anglia RUS. As there are already a huge number of references to 'Kent Thameside' in the DfT's back catalogue, I wonder if they have now just added Essex to differentiate from Kent.
Agree this name is pretty much irrelevant to what an incoming franchisee might call itself though...
On Nov 9, 11:08 pm, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams) wrote:
> It (said National Express) didn't stand for anything at all. But I > expect that's the kind of interpretation most people made from it.
> At least it never became "two" (or something). Now that one (!) was a > bloody stupid idea.
Although had they gone for that naming, and then subsequently merged the franchise into their Anglian operation, the Spice Girls could've been hired to greet the merger with one of their ace chart hits.
> Yes, that's absolutely correct. If National Express bid for, and win, > the new Essex Thameside franchise, they will be able to brand it C2C; > alternatively, if someone else wins it, they may be able to license > the C2C brand from National Express.
Probably academic now, anyway, in view of the fact that NatEx are reliverying the 357s in corporate grey and white with 'national express' branding. The final demise of the c2c brand can't be too far away.
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:24:02 -0000, "Jack Taylor" <J...@Carney.co.uk> wrote:
>Probably academic now, anyway, in view of the fact that NatEx are >reliverying the 357s in corporate grey and white with 'national express' >branding.
I wonder if they are busy stripping the sheets of nearly-new vinyl off the East Coast HSTs and re-using it on c2c? ;-)
>The final demise of the c2c brand can't be too far away.
Somehow, I doubt that it will be missed. It was a silly idea.
On 10 Nov, 07:19, Bruce <docnews2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:24:02 -0000, "Jack Taylor" <J...@Carney.co.uk> > wrote:
> >Probably academic now, anyway, in view of the fact that NatEx are > >reliverying the 357s in corporate grey and white with 'national express' > >branding.
> I wonder if they are busy stripping the sheets of nearly-new vinyl off > the East Coast HSTs and re-using it on c2c? ;-)
> >The final demise of the c2c brand can't be too far away.
> Somehow, I doubt that it will be missed. It was a silly idea.
Pretty awful, but at least it didn't sound like useful information, like "the 1230 one service" or "Sutton* service to East Croydon".
Better not to mention the operator of course, but what's the betting they'll come up with something that sounds like Southend or Tilbury?
<googles...@doreenbird.co.uk> wrote: >On 10 Nov, 07:19, Bruce <docnews2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:24:02 -0000, "Jack Taylor" <J...@Carney.co.uk> >> wrote:
>> >Probably academic now, anyway, in view of the fact that NatEx are >> >reliverying the 357s in corporate grey and white with 'national express' >> >branding.
>> I wonder if they are busy stripping the sheets of nearly-new vinyl off >> the East Coast HSTs and re-using it on c2c? ;-)
>> >The final demise of the c2c brand can't be too far away.
>> Somehow, I doubt that it will be missed. It was a silly idea.
>Pretty awful, but at least it didn't sound like useful information, >like "the 1230 one service" or "Sutton* service to East Croydon".
>Better not to mention the operator of course, but what's the betting >they'll come up with something that sounds like Southend or Tilbury?
>*Southern in limited bandwidth.
Bring back the London, Tilbury & Southend Railway, I say.
And while they are at it, they could extract "Thundersley" from its gloomy garden shed environment at Bressingham and let it see daylight on a few Sunday steam specials from Fenchurch Street. ;-)
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