Ian Johnston wrote: > On Sat, 27 May 2006 16:27:07 UTC, Ben <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> : Ian Johnston wrote: > : > Bcravat n pbhcyr bs qbbef fubhyq xrrc vg dhvgr pbby rabhtu > : > sbe n srj jrrxf. > : > : Keep up, Virgin trains have air conditioning nowardays.
> Did you get the reference?
I'm not a sufficiently frequent lurker on this group to know who the regular is to whom you refer. I just had a look in to see what the delay was at oxenholme, and I'm a sucker for a bit of rot13 - well it must be good if its worth concealing ;-)
> wyrleyb...@netscape.net wrote: >> I'm sorry Roland but I don't think you live in the same England as me. >> There are media reports of stabbings nearly everyday, at least on the >> West Midlands media.
>> It is a sad state of affairs when people go out for a harmless night >> out in a club, or even on a train, when some idiot with a knife takes >> them out.
> Indeed, but let's not forget the amount of derision that was posted > here a few weeks ago regarding BTP using metal detectors at stations in > an operation targeted at knives.
Still a stupid idea. One incident doesn't justify a massive over reaction by putting metal detectors at say Carlisle or Penrith!
Ian Johnston wrote: > On Sat, 27 May 2006 16:27:07 UTC, Ben <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> : Ian Johnston wrote: > : > Bcravat n pbhcyr bs qbbef fubhyq xrrc vg dhvgr pbby rabhtu > : > sbe n srj jrrxf. > : > : Keep up, Virgin trains have air conditioning nowardays.
> Did you get the reference?
Take heed - a bit of ROT 13 holds no fear for a man who not only will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents him, but is also sometime Communications Director of the New Edinburgh Tramways Company.
De/cod/ing it is another matter entirely - I can't help you with that! -- Joyce Whitchurch, Stalybridge, UK ================================= Old enough to remember the B drive
Pete_uk wrote: > "AW" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message > news:44785038$0$10750$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net... >> There has apparently been a fatal stabbing on a southbound Voyager in the >> Penrith/Oxenholme area. Police attending at Oxenholme.
> Pete_uk wrote: >> "AW" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:44785038$0$10750$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net... >>> There has apparently been a fatal stabbing on a southbound Voyager in >>> the Penrith/Oxenholme area. Police attending at Oxenholme.
"Police later arrested a 21-year-old man from Skelmersdale, West Lancashire, in connection with the incident. The victim is 19 and from Gloucestershire."
<thread convergence>
Let's hope they weren't arguing about a seat reservation.
In message <1148743005.525676.262...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, at 08:16:45 on Sat, 27 May 2006, wyrleyb...@netscape.net remarked:
>I'm sorry Roland but I don't think you live in the same England as me. >There are media reports of stabbings nearly everyday, at least on the >West Midlands media.
BBC has now put together a list of recent stabbings:
> In message <e5aj25$cc...@news.freedom2surf.net>, at 23:15:30 on Sat, 27 > "Police later arrested a 21-year-old man from Skelmersdale, West > Lancashire, in connection with the incident. The victim is 19 > and from Gloucestershire."
> <thread convergence>
> Let's hope they weren't arguing about a seat reservation.
>> When was the last murder on a train? Not a common event, for sure.
> No, but Oxenholme has an unfortunate record for railway-related murder > - a policeman was shot dead on the staion in 1965.
ISTR the perpetrator had committed a bank robbery further north and was on the run. The cops cornered him at Oxenholme station. Unfortunately the perpetrator tripped and fell down the steps and lived ever after as a vegetable.
Roland Perry wrote: > In message <e5aj25$cc...@news.freedom2surf.net>, at 23:15:30 on Sat, 27 > May 2006, Phil <fusion.nospam....@yahoo.com> remarked: >> One of the windows was "kicked out" on one of the Voyagers.
> "Staff managed to trap the knifeman in a carriage but he smashed > his way out at Oxenholme Station, Cumbria."
> "Police later arrested a 21-year-old man from Skelmersdale, West > Lancashire, in connection with the incident. The victim is 19 > and from Gloucestershire."
> <thread convergence>
> Let's hope they weren't arguing about a seat reservation.
From the quote about the train manager ermm managing to get the passengers out and locking the perp in, it sounds to me like he must have been in an end coach, which means its either first class or the quiet coach. Now, I understand dueling is a frequent occurrence in first class but rarely leads to serious injury, which just leaves the quiet coach. I wonder what kind of altercation could possibly occur there...
kevall...@holdthefrontpage.co.uk wrote: > Indeed, but let's not forget the amount of derision that was posted > here a few weeks ago regarding BTP using metal detectors at stations in > an operation targeted at knives.
I continue to hold the same opinion. This is *one* incident involving two people. It is not worth all the delay/inconvenience/inability to carry a knife for a genuine reason (e.g. someone going fishing by train) because one person misused one. The correct response, should that person be caught, is to punish them, and only them, suitably severely for the offence.
As some have posted, if we just want to reduce deaths as our only target, banning all road traffic would be a far more effective method. Not, of course, that I believe that is either desirable nor necessary.
In message <4479d106$0$2687$ed261...@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>, at 17:34:10 on Sun, 28 May 2006, Ben <nos...@nospam.com> remarked:
>> Let's hope they weren't arguing about a seat reservation.
>From the quote about the train manager ermm managing to get the >passengers out and locking the perp in, it sounds to me like he must >have been in an end coach, which means its either first class or the >quiet coach. Now, I understand dueling is a frequent occurrence in >first class but rarely leads to serious injury, which just leaves the >quiet coach. I wonder what kind of altercation could possibly occur there...
The victim was travelling with his girlfriend. What's not clear is who started the argument. Perhaps she will be able to tell, one day. -- Roland Perry
"Roland Perry" <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote: > What, suddenly, the last few weeks; and coincidentally just as a knife > amnesty starts? No, it's the media choosing to report them.
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