This posting is my own personal opinion. Here me out:
Without wishing to sound heartless, why was there no Tribal Gathering license ages ago?
It seems to me that a lot of this problem is due to the fact that Mean Fiddler and Universe overlooked this one obstacle DESPITE apparently suffering a similar problem of getting a license last year. Yes, the authorities have let us down, but Universe have undoubtably put themselves in a position where we COULD be let down. Now, I'm no law expert and I certainly don't know everything there is to know about granting of licenses, but was it really required to leave it that late before putting an application in. Seeing as everything else was ready - including exactly where each tent would go, it seems ludicrous that such a major point as the license should have been overlooked.
Yeah, its really shitty that events like the Marathon, The Who's central London concert and the like don't get stopped for the same reasons but they are establishment friendly events made for the executive types who like nothing more than sticking something completely MOR/AOR on their in-car CD systems as they go home to their wife and 2 kids. Most people who were/are going to the TG '96 see the world as it really is - a place where drugs are treated as a norm in society, a place where at the end of the day sex, race, colour, etc doesn't matter. This is the real world where the Tory Government has f**ked everything up and our only choice is to put Labour into power who's leader is John Major with a nicer smile and better soundbites and who's New Labour ethics are no goddam different from Conservative's ethics. Politicians hate dance music because it is a totally off-cut thing to what they are used to. Yeah, they were really glad when bands like Oasis and Blur started to get the hype. Its a nice and safe form of music. They think, Oasis only encourage the masses to do Cigarettes & Alcohol - that's nice legal stuff which we can tax (but I've heard of a drunken brawl - nobody on drugs at any dance music event I've been to has threatened me). This is OUR generation. For want of a better word - we are Generation X - the generation they just can't classify because they have no idea about the way we lead our lives (those of us who take drugs, or like myself, don't need them to get you happy at dance events).
My final point is this - I don't know of anyone who has given up on dance music as a lost cause because of the TG's cancellation. If anything, this has made dance music stronger and will make everyone party that little bit harder when the TG finally happens. Just remember everyone, they can't destroy dance music because music is one of the strongest things we have in this world. It allows us to give peace, love, unity and respect to the other people on the scene because at 98% of dance music events, everyone is YOUR friend for the evening and together we will survive and create the music of the future.
On Fri, 3 May 1996 09:20:04 +0100, Mark C Sammons <bsc5060@artemis> wrote:
>This posting is my own personal opinion. Here me out:
>Without wishing to sound heartless, why was there no Tribal Gathering >license ages ago?
But they did, the license was withdrawn by the council at the polices request. The court case was about Mean Fiddler claiming the withdrawl was illegal (Well that's how I understood it anyway). It doesn't matter how early people get licences if the authorities can withdraw them at the last minute.
What Mean Fiddler should have done was to make triply sure they have any possibe problem covered just in case. They obviusly didn't in this case.
> This posting is my own personal opinion. Here me out:
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Nice one, Mark, 100% agreement with all that.
Thinking about the Who, I have this terrible vision of the world 20 years from now. Back in the sixties and seventies rock groups were considered in much the same light as dance music of today, i.e. subversive, leading the youth astray, etc. These days, they have become the establishment. Do you think the same thing will happen to dance music in the coming decades with something else becoming the underground? Imagine parents telling their kids "Why don't you listen to that nice band Hallucinogen instead of wasting your time on this modern rubbish?". Huge outcries when Radio 1 ban Hardfloor songs as being "boring and outdated".
>>Thinking about the Who, I have this terrible vision of the world
20 years from now. Back in the sixties and seventies rock groups were considered in much the same light as dance music of today, i.e. subversive, leading the youth astray, etc. These days, they have become the establishment. Do you think the same thing will happen to dance music in the coming decades with something else becoming the underground? Imagine parents telling their kids "Why don't you listen to that nice band Hallucinogen instead of wasting your time on this modern rubbish?". Huge outcries when Radio 1 ban Hardfloor songs as being "boring and outdated".
Frightening thought..<<
Doug,
20 years time the concept of 'music' will probably be outta date...... kids will sit in a virtual rave machine, fill up with designer, safe, substances, plug in nutrient leads, and prepare to party continuously with their virtual friends for weeks at a time. There will be virtual doormen in the cyber-rave whose job is to give out free refill substances and plur to the vibe. Virtual doormen will clamour to give out the most and best vibes, competing in their friendly competition where the 'best vibe doorman' as voted by all (if they want to) receive huggs from all ravers on their way out.
Rave police will visit at frequent intervals to ensure that everyvirtualone is happy and people who look miserable will be escorted out in cotton wool stretchers to be paid attention and loved by the Sargeant back at the station. Said miserable people, once cured by Seargent Loving Nice Vibe will be immediately escorted back to the rave by rave police and hugged by all.
The music played will of course be goa trance.
At the end of the rave (or when the kids have had enough) they will emerge from the machine feeling 100 times better and more loving, respectful, understanding and refreshed as when they went in. All ravers will have a personal robot (called mean piddler) which will automatically wind back rave time so that time spent in the rave is not spent at all. . Mark Halsey
> On Fri, 3 May 1996 09:20:04 +0100, Mark C Sammons <bsc5060@artemis> > wrote:
> >This posting is my own personal opinion. Here me out:
> >Without wishing to sound heartless, why was there no Tribal Gathering > >license ages ago?
> But they did, the license was withdrawn by the council at the polices > request. The court case was about Mean Fiddler claiming the withdrawl > was illegal (Well that's how I understood it anyway).
This is all news to me. When was it first issued? All the adverts for TG said "subject to licence".
Dale Walker wrote: > It doesn't > matter how early people get licences if the authorities can withdraw > them at the last minute.
> What Mean Fiddler should have done was to make triply sure they have > any possibe problem covered just in case. They obviusly didn't in this > case.
Haven't you just contradicted yourself? Or are you saying that it's partly the "authorities"' fault and partly MF's??
-Steve -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Just what is it that you want to do?" "We want to be free... We want to be free to do what we want to do"
<st...@kalika.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Dale Walker wrote: >> It doesn't >> matter how early people get licences if the authorities can withdraw >> them at the last minute.
>> What Mean Fiddler should have done was to make triply sure they have >> any possibe problem covered just in case. They obviusly didn't in this >> case.
>Haven't you just contradicted yourself? Or are you saying that it's partly >the "authorities"' fault and partly MF's??
Sort of! What I'm saying is, Mean Fiddler should have expected extra problems by the authorities even though an initial licence may have been granted and should have prepared detailed contingency plans.
>> On Fri, 3 May 1996 09:20:04 +0100, Mark C Sammons <bsc5060@artemis> >> wrote:
>> >This posting is my own personal opinion. Here me out:
>> >Without wishing to sound heartless, why was there no Tribal Gathering >> >license ages ago?
>> But they did, the license was withdrawn by the council at the polices >> request. The court case was about Mean Fiddler claiming the withdrawl >> was illegal (Well that's how I understood it anyway).
>This is all news to me. When was it first issued? All the adverts >for TG said "subject to licence".
But I remember (possibly wrongly) the first reports of problems were that the 'License was withdrawn by the council'. Having something withdrawn sounds like it was taken away from them, not not given to them in the first place. I very much doubt Mean Fiddler would have spent that much money on something without a reasonable chance of it coming off. Mean Fiddler although money grabbing do have a track record of pulling off big events and there's no way I can see them doing something as big as TG without permission.
: 20 years time the concept of 'music' will probably be outta date...... kids : will sit in a virtual rave machine, fill up with designer, safe, substances, : plug in nutrient leads, and prepare to party continuously with their virtual : friends for weeks at a time. There will be virtual doormen in the cyber-rave : whose job is to give out free refill substances and plur to the vibe. Virtual : doormen will clamour to give out the most and best vibes, competing in their : friendly competition where the 'best vibe doorman' as voted by all (if they : want to) receive huggs from all ravers on their way out.
<Rest of article including hilarious Sergeant Nice Vibe type bloke snipped like a snippy thing that's just recently been snipped>
Marvellous... I am planning a cartoon strip in which an alien lands, gets out of his craft saying "I'm off to that rave" - he trots off to Rave Mountain where he can be seen leaping around in the crowd giving it some sproing factor. Time passes - now is then - and the people move down to Chill City above which hovers a cloud of fragrant smoke. Here the people laugh and may draw their ideas, minds merge and people love a little more, grudge a little less.
By the way all of the above is true (I can't substantiate the alien bit, but it might have been me in an abstract metaphorical way) and it happened last saturday night/sunday morning at the best house party I've ever been to. Thanks to Karen, Gid, and all of the lovely York people who I just love love love love love
