> "Mike Ruddock" <michael.rudd...@mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote: >> > On 2 Nov, 10:09, Derek Turner <frde...@cesmail.net> wrote: >> >> I'll have to try gnus as pan seems to be borked in karmic.
>> Can we have a translation?
> Karmic = Karmic Koala, the latest version of Ubuntu (9.10), very hot > off the press
> Pan = Derek's newsreading/writing software, which doesn't seem to > have survived the upgrade too well, at least for now
> Gnus = Another newsreader that according to Nick seems to work > very well after his upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10
> Sebastian > (who still likes his renewed experience with trn)
> .... I don't know, a couple of years, my use is the reverse of most > other contributors, email only, and I think that's what Thunderbird > is best adapted for. I'm not saying that news support is really bad.
I agree that Thunderbird is a better email client than it is as a newsreader. I like having a single client for both news and email, and TB is the best, overall, that I've found.
If I was going to separate the two applications though, for news, I'd probably go for either Dialog (from <http://www.40tude.com/dialog/>) which is an excellent newsreader but very flaky for email or Gravity (from <http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/>) which is another good newsreader but it doesn't support email.
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Serena Blanchflower wrote: > On 04/11/2009 Sebastian Lisken wrote: >> .... I don't know, a couple of years, my use is the reverse of most >> other contributors, email only, and I think that's what Thunderbird >> is best adapted for. I'm not saying that news support is really bad.
> I agree that Thunderbird is a better email client than it is as a > newsreader. I like having a single client for both news and email, and > TB is the best, overall, that I've found.
I don't understand the problem with TB as a newsreader. I wish Netscape was still being supported, though, I liked it as a browser and mail and newsreader all in one thingy. It worked well.
> If I was going to separate the two applications though, for news, I'd > probably go for either Dialog (from <http://www.40tude.com/dialog/>) > which is an excellent newsreader but very flaky for email or Gravity > (from <http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/>) which is another good > newsreader but it doesn't support email.
I don't like the separation (see Netscape above).
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> Serena Blanchflower wrote: >> On 04/11/2009 Sebastian Lisken wrote: >>> .... I don't know, a couple of years, my use is the reverse of most >>> other contributors, email only, and I think that's what Thunderbird >>> is best adapted for. I'm not saying that news support is really bad.
>> I agree that Thunderbird is a better email client than it is as a >> newsreader. I like having a single client for both news and email, >> and TB is the best, overall, that I've found.
> I don't understand the problem with TB as a newsreader. I wish Netscape > was still being supported, though, I liked it as a browser and mail and > newsreader all in one thingy. It worked well.
TB isn't bad as a newsreader but it isn't the best (and it's *far* better as a newsreader than Dialog is as an email client!). It does all the basic stuff pretty well but is missing some extras which do make life easier. For example, the filters you can apply in TB are very basic compared to the facilites in some programmes (although they are also much simpler to apply than some). I do miss being able to mark anything which has been cross posted to too many groups as read - and, if something was cross posted to two or more groups that I read, I would only see it flagged as unread in the first group I read. It was also useful to be able to flag some posts to be kept, and not deleted in the routine housekeeping.
>> If I was going to separate the two applications though, for news, I'd >> probably go for either Dialog (from <http://www.40tude.com/dialog/>) >> which is an excellent newsreader but very flaky for email or Gravity >> (from <http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/>) which is another good >> newsreader but it doesn't support email.
> I don't like the separation (see Netscape above).
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>Serena Blanchflower wrote: >> On 04/11/2009 Sebastian Lisken wrote: >>> .... I don't know, a couple of years, my use is the reverse of most >>> other contributors, email only, and I think that's what Thunderbird >>> is best adapted for. I'm not saying that news support is really bad. >> I agree that Thunderbird is a better email client than it is as a >>newsreader. I like having a single client for both news and email, >>and TB is the best, overall, that I've found.
>I don't understand the problem with TB as a newsreader. I wish Netscape >was still being supported, though, I liked it as a browser and mail and >newsreader all in one thingy. It worked well. >> If I was going to separate the two applications though, for news, I'd >>probably go for either Dialog (from <http://www.40tude.com/dialog/>) >>which is an excellent newsreader but very flaky for email or Gravity >>(from <http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/>) which is another good >>newsreader but it doesn't support email.
>I don't like the separation (see Netscape above).
Alas, alack. Turnpike, which some of us still use, I think? knocks spots off Thunderbird for all-roundership. But Demon stopped supporting it some time ago, while putting up the price from £15 to £199 (yes!) and sacking all the splendid people who used to develop it, so it will effectively become unusable in the next few years when Windows 7 (64bit) and onwards become the norm. It had its quirks, but was extremely adaptable, and should have been a little moneyspinner for them, but Clueless and Witless treat it like an embarrassment even though they appear not even to think of selling it on to someone who would develop it properly.
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Gumrat <gum...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't like the separation (see Netscape above).
It's a very happy coincidence that you are saying this now, because SeaMonkey, the "volunteer" project that keeps Netscape going in Mozilla, have just had their 2.0 release, which brings it up to the latest Firefox technology. Only I'm not sure how frequent they are with security updates.
(Edit > Preferences to change your settings, Tools > Add-ons to switch to the Modern theme, which I highly recommend, and for installing add-ons of course - e.g. Adblock Plus runs in SeaMonkey too.)
> Hmm. I had some minor difficulty with my nvidia driver but otherwise > it's gone smoothly. and it's all working fine now.
I had the opposite - the previous upgrade had made my nasty onboard graphics very flickery when trying to play films etc and this fixed them.
So far my complaints are that it no longer automatically mounts my spare disks in a sensible place when asked (it used to be /media/disk and /media/disk-1, now it's /media/A382ChArActerSTreAMof16aDeciMAl). I can fix that with fstab, but it feels like a step backwards.
More irritating, is that it has made opera my default browser for links in emails and news items, despite Firefox believing it's the default browser. That's not friendly at all. -- Online waterways route planner: http://canalplan.org.uk development version: http://canalplan.eu
>>> Microsoft Windows 7 upgrade advisor has just told me that I can upgrade >>> from XP, but Outlook Express is no longer part of the package. The >>> suggested Microsoft replacement, Windows Live doesn't do newsgroups. >>> Does anyone have a replacement to recommend? >>> Steve Hague
>> When I moved to Vista, I moved to Thunderbird, just for news, and I am >> happy with it. I use Outlook for email, so I can't comment on its >> abilities where email is concerned.
>> -- >> al >> LSM >> Licensed to flame
> I tried Thunderbird before and didn't really like it, but I've installed > it purely as a newsreader, with Outlook for email, and it seems fine, so > thanks Serena and Al. > Steve Hague
I've just been reminded why I wasn't keen on Thunderbird. I can't set it to view threads in descending order of date. It will sort of do that, but next time I open it it shows individual messages in order of date, which is messy. Steve Hague
Kate Brown wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Gumrat wrote >> Serena Blanchflower wrote: >>> On 04/11/2009 Sebastian Lisken wrote: >>>> .... I don't know, a couple of years, my use is the reverse of most >>>> other contributors, email only, and I think that's what Thunderbird >>>> is best adapted for. I'm not saying that news support is really bad. >>> I agree that Thunderbird is a better email client than it is as a >>> newsreader. I like having a single client for both news and email, >>> and TB is the best, overall, that I've found.
>> I don't understand the problem with TB as a newsreader. I wish >> Netscape was still being supported, though, I liked it as a browser >> and mail and newsreader all in one thingy. It worked well. >>> If I was going to separate the two applications though, for news, I'd >>> probably go for either Dialog (from <http://www.40tude.com/dialog/>) >>> which is an excellent newsreader but very flaky for email or Gravity >>> (from <http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/>) which is another good >>> newsreader but it doesn't support email.
>> I don't like the separation (see Netscape above).
> Alas, alack. Turnpike, which some of us still use, I think? knocks > spots off Thunderbird for all-roundership. But Demon stopped supporting > it some time ago, while putting up the price from £15 to £199 (yes!) and > sacking all the splendid people who used to develop it, so it will > effectively become unusable in the next few years when Windows 7 (64bit) > and onwards become the norm. It had its quirks, but was extremely > adaptable, and should have been a little moneyspinner for them, but > Clueless and Witless treat it like an embarrassment even though they > appear not even to think of selling it on to someone who would develop > it properly.
I had to give up using Turnpike years ago when *nobody* could or would help me to get it to work with a new ISP. Another advantage of using Thunderbird, IMO, is that I have yet to find an ISP, software or hardware bod who doesn't know about it and who can't work with it. I don't know whether the same applies to the other programs peeps are recommending?
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:40:53 +0100, Gumrat wrote: > I don't understand the problem with TB as a newsreader. I wish Netscape > was still being supported, though, I liked it as a browser and mail and > newsreader all in one thingy. It worked well.
It didn't die, it forked, it's now called seamonkey. Don't know if there's a windows version, though.
"Steve Hague" <steve.hag...@virgin.net> wrote: > I've just been reminded why I wasn't keen on Thunderbird. I can't set it to > view threads in descending order of date. It will sort of do that, but next > time I open it it shows individual messages in order of date, which is > messy.
But that works for me. I click on the part of the thread "column header" twice, and get my messages sorted by threads, newest on top. When I return, the setting is still there, only that the threads are not open (which they are when I switch to sorting by thread from another mode which always shows each message). So each thread is represented by its first message, which is a bit terse for some situations and I have to open the thread if I've already read the first message and now want to read the new ones "inside" the thread. That is one reason why I prefer trn - more direct access to the new message in a thread I have already started on. But reverse-sorting by thread as such works.
>On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Gumrat wrote >>Serena Blanchflower wrote: >>> On 04/11/2009 Sebastian Lisken wrote: >>>> .... I don't know, a couple of years, my use is the reverse of most >>>> other contributors, email only, and I think that's what Thunderbird >>>> is best adapted for. I'm not saying that news support is really bad. >>> I agree that Thunderbird is a better email client than it is as a >>>newsreader. I like having a single client for both news and email, >>>and TB is the best, overall, that I've found.
>>I don't understand the problem with TB as a newsreader. I wish >>Netscape was still being supported, though, I liked it as a browser >>and mail and newsreader all in one thingy. It worked well. >>> If I was going to separate the two applications though, for news, >>>I'd probably go for either Dialog (from >>><http://www.40tude.com/dialog/>) which is an excellent newsreader but >>>very flaky for email or Gravity (from >>><http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/>) which is another good newsreader >>>but it doesn't support email.
>>I don't like the separation (see Netscape above).
>Alas, alack. Turnpike, which some of us still use, I think? knocks >spots off Thunderbird for all-roundership. But Demon stopped >supporting it some time ago, while putting up the price from £15 to >£199 (yes!) and sacking all the splendid people who used to develop it, >so it will effectively become unusable in the next few years when >Windows 7 (64bit)
In message <Bb0iyPIiJz8KF...@chris.mcmillan>, chris mcmillan
<spam....@ntlworld.com> writes: >In message <i7T7ryHTng8KF...@nospam.demon.co.uk>, Kate Brown ><elv...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes [] >>Alas, alack. Turnpike, which some of us still use, I think? knocks
Yes
>>spots off Thunderbird for all-roundership. But Demon stopped >>supporting it some time ago, while putting up the price from £15 to >>£199 (yes!) and sacking all the splendid people who used to develop
An excellent summary (some of those people still appear in the Turnpike 'group though)
>>it, so it will effectively become unusable in the next few years when >>Windows 7 (64bit)
>Looks round nervously ........
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Sebastian Lisken wrote: > "Steve Hague" <steve.hag...@virgin.net> wrote: >> I've just been reminded why I wasn't keen on Thunderbird. I can't set it to >> view threads in descending order of date. It will sort of do that, but next >> time I open it it shows individual messages in order of date, which is >> messy.
> But that works for me. I click on the part of the thread "column header" > twice, and get my messages sorted by threads, newest on top. When I > return, the setting is still there, only that the threads are not open > (which they are when I switch to sorting by thread from another mode > which always shows each message). So each thread is represented by its > first message, which is a bit terse for some situations and I have to > open the thread if I've already read the first message and now want to > read the new ones "inside" the thread. That is one reason why I prefer > trn - more direct access to the new message in a thread I have already > started on. But reverse-sorting by thread as such works.
> Sebastian
I've tried that, and it works while I keep Thunderbird open, but usually the next time I open it, it's reverted to ascending order by message date. Having said which I've opened Thunderbird this morning and it's behaving perfectly. Steve Hague
Steve Hague wrote: > Sebastian Lisken wrote: >> "Steve Hague" <steve.hag...@virgin.net> wrote: >>> I've just been reminded why I wasn't keen on Thunderbird. I can't set >>> it to view threads in descending order of date. It will sort of do >>> that, but next time I open it it shows individual messages in order >>> of date, which is messy.
>> But that works for me. I click on the part of the thread "column header" >> twice, and get my messages sorted by threads, newest on top. When I >> return, the setting is still there, only that the threads are not open >> (which they are when I switch to sorting by thread from another mode >> which always shows each message). So each thread is represented by its >> first message, which is a bit terse for some situations and I have to >> open the thread if I've already read the first message and now want to >> read the new ones "inside" the thread. That is one reason why I prefer >> trn - more direct access to the new message in a thread I have already >> started on. But reverse-sorting by thread as such works.
>> Sebastian
> I've tried that, and it works while I keep Thunderbird open, but usually > the next time I open it, it's reverted to ascending order by message > date. Having said which I've opened Thunderbird this morning and it's > behaving perfectly. > Steve Hague
Except I can't get it to block a particular sender and delete messages from that sender, for instance someone wanting to sell me ugg boots. I've tried creating a filter from the message but to no obvious effect. Steve Hague
Steve Hague wrote: > Steve Hague wrote: >> Sebastian Lisken wrote: >>> "Steve Hague" <steve.hag...@virgin.net> wrote: >>>> I've just been reminded why I wasn't keen on Thunderbird. I can't >>>> set it to view threads in descending order of date. It will sort of >>>> do that, but next time I open it it shows individual messages in >>>> order of date, which is messy.
>>> But that works for me. I click on the part of the thread "column header" >>> twice, and get my messages sorted by threads, newest on top. When I >>> return, the setting is still there, only that the threads are not open >>> (which they are when I switch to sorting by thread from another mode >>> which always shows each message). So each thread is represented by its >>> first message, which is a bit terse for some situations and I have to >>> open the thread if I've already read the first message and now want to >>> read the new ones "inside" the thread. That is one reason why I prefer >>> trn - more direct access to the new message in a thread I have already >>> started on. But reverse-sorting by thread as such works.
>>> Sebastian
>> I've tried that, and it works while I keep Thunderbird open, but >> usually the next time I open it, it's reverted to ascending order by >> message date. Having said which I've opened Thunderbird this morning >> and it's behaving perfectly. >> Steve Hague
> Except I can't get it to block a particular sender and delete messages > from that sender, for instance someone wanting to sell me ugg boots. > I've tried creating a filter from the message but to no obvious effect. > Steve Hague
Strange, I click on the "create filter from message" option and it works fine. Not for posts that are already there of course, but for any new ones from the same sender.
I recently got two UGG boot spams here in umra which is very unusual for the Berlin server even to get one. I would guess therefore that the second one had a slight variation in sender, but I CBA to go and check...
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:23:21 +0100, BrritSki <Brrit...@iname.com> wrote:
>I recently got two UGG boot spams here in umra which is very unusual for >the Berlin server even to get one. I would guess therefore that the >second one had a slight variation in sender, but I CBA to go and check...
MTAAW and they are nice but very overpriced. You can get similar ones usually from Office for much less and just as nice.
> Steve Hague wrote: >> Steve Hague wrote: >>> Sebastian Lisken wrote: >>>> "Steve Hague" <steve.hag...@virgin.net> wrote: >>>>> I've just been reminded why I wasn't keen on Thunderbird. I can't set >>>>> it to view threads in descending order of date. It will sort of do >>>>> that, but next time I open it it shows individual messages in order of >>>>> date, which is messy.
>>>> But that works for me. I click on the part of the thread "column >>>> header" >>>> twice, and get my messages sorted by threads, newest on top. When I >>>> return, the setting is still there, only that the threads are not open >>>> (which they are when I switch to sorting by thread from another mode >>>> which always shows each message). So each thread is represented by its >>>> first message, which is a bit terse for some situations and I have to >>>> open the thread if I've already read the first message and now want to >>>> read the new ones "inside" the thread. That is one reason why I prefer >>>> trn - more direct access to the new message in a thread I have already >>>> started on. But reverse-sorting by thread as such works.
>>>> Sebastian
>>> I've tried that, and it works while I keep Thunderbird open, but usually >>> the next time I open it, it's reverted to ascending order by message >>> date. Having said which I've opened Thunderbird this morning and it's >>> behaving perfectly. >>> Steve Hague
>> Except I can't get it to block a particular sender and delete messages >> from that sender, for instance someone wanting to sell me ugg boots. I've >> tried creating a filter from the message but to no obvious effect. >> Steve Hague
> Strange, I click on the "create filter from message" option and it works > fine. Not for posts that are already there of course, but for any new ones > from the same sender.
> I recently got two UGG boot spams here in umra which is very unusual for > the Berlin server even to get one. I would guess therefore that the second > one had a slight variation in sender, but I CBA to go and check...
Outlook Express deletes everything from the blocked sender. I've opened Thunderbird this morning and it's all over the place again. Steve Hague
Steve Hague wrote: > "BrritSki" <Brrit...@iname.com> wrote in message > news:7li4npF3ddouuU1@mid.individual.net... >> Steve Hague wrote: >>> Steve Hague wrote: >>>> Sebastian Lisken wrote: >>>>> "Steve Hague" <steve.hag...@virgin.net> wrote: >>>>>> I've just been reminded why I wasn't keen on Thunderbird. I can't set >>>>>> it to view threads in descending order of date. It will sort of do >>>>>> that, but next time I open it it shows individual messages in order of >>>>>> date, which is messy. >>>>> But that works for me. I click on the part of the thread "column >>>>> header" >>>>> twice, and get my messages sorted by threads, newest on top. When I >>>>> return, the setting is still there, only that the threads are not open >>>>> (which they are when I switch to sorting by thread from another mode >>>>> which always shows each message). So each thread is represented by its >>>>> first message, which is a bit terse for some situations and I have to >>>>> open the thread if I've already read the first message and now want to >>>>> read the new ones "inside" the thread. That is one reason why I prefer >>>>> trn - more direct access to the new message in a thread I have already >>>>> started on. But reverse-sorting by thread as such works.
>>>>> Sebastian
>>>> I've tried that, and it works while I keep Thunderbird open, but usually >>>> the next time I open it, it's reverted to ascending order by message >>>> date. Having said which I've opened Thunderbird this morning and it's >>>> behaving perfectly. >>>> Steve Hague
>>> Except I can't get it to block a particular sender and delete messages >>> from that sender, for instance someone wanting to sell me ugg boots. I've >>> tried creating a filter from the message but to no obvious effect. >>> Steve Hague >> Strange, I click on the "create filter from message" option and it works >> fine. Not for posts that are already there of course, but for any new ones >> from the same sender.
>> I recently got two UGG boot spams here in umra which is very unusual for >> the Berlin server even to get one. I would guess therefore that the second >> one had a slight variation in sender, but I CBA to go and check...
> Outlook Express deletes everything from the blocked sender. I've opened > Thunderbird this morning and it's all over the place again. > Steve Hague
It isn't here. I saw 2 ugg boot spams once each but nothing else. What else are you getting?
Jane Vernon wrote: > Steve Hague wrote: >> "BrritSki" <Brrit...@iname.com> wrote in message >> news:7li4npF3ddouuU1@mid.individual.net... >>> Steve Hague wrote: >>>> Steve Hague wrote: >>>>> Sebastian Lisken wrote: >>>>>> "Steve Hague" <steve.hag...@virgin.net> wrote: >>>>>>> I've just been reminded why I wasn't keen on Thunderbird. I can't >>>>>>> set it to view threads in descending order of date. It will sort >>>>>>> of do that, but next time I open it it shows individual messages >>>>>>> in order of date, which is messy. >>>>>> But that works for me. I click on the part of the thread "column >>>>>> header" >>>>>> twice, and get my messages sorted by threads, newest on top. When I >>>>>> return, the setting is still there, only that the threads are not >>>>>> open >>>>>> (which they are when I switch to sorting by thread from another mode >>>>>> which always shows each message). So each thread is represented by >>>>>> its >>>>>> first message, which is a bit terse for some situations and I have to >>>>>> open the thread if I've already read the first message and now >>>>>> want to >>>>>> read the new ones "inside" the thread. That is one reason why I >>>>>> prefer >>>>>> trn - more direct access to the new message in a thread I have >>>>>> already >>>>>> started on. But reverse-sorting by thread as such works.
>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>> I've tried that, and it works while I keep Thunderbird open, but >>>>> usually the next time I open it, it's reverted to ascending order >>>>> by message date. Having said which I've opened Thunderbird this >>>>> morning and it's behaving perfectly. >>>>> Steve Hague
>>>> Except I can't get it to block a particular sender and delete >>>> messages from that sender, for instance someone wanting to sell me >>>> ugg boots. I've tried creating a filter from the message but to no >>>> obvious effect. >>>> Steve Hague >>> Strange, I click on the "create filter from message" option and it >>> works fine. Not for posts that are already there of course, but for >>> any new ones from the same sender.
>>> I recently got two UGG boot spams here in umra which is very unusual >>> for the Berlin server even to get one. I would guess therefore that >>> the second one had a slight variation in sender, but I CBA to go and >>> check...
>> Outlook Express deletes everything from the blocked sender. I've >> opened Thunderbird this morning and it's all over the place again. >> Steve Hague
> It isn't here. I saw 2 ugg boot spams once each but nothing else. What > else are you getting?
Sorry, I didn't mean ugg boots and other spam are all over the place. It's the messages on Thunderbird that are. Steve Hague
Steve Hague wrote: > Jane Vernon wrote: >> Steve Hague wrote: >>> "BrritSki" <Brrit...@iname.com> wrote in message >>> news:7li4npF3ddouuU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> Steve Hague wrote: >>>>> Steve Hague wrote: >>>>>> Sebastian Lisken wrote: >>>>>>> "Steve Hague" <steve.hag...@virgin.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> I've just been reminded why I wasn't keen on Thunderbird. I >>>>>>>> can't set it to view threads in descending order of date. It >>>>>>>> will sort of do that, but next time I open it it shows >>>>>>>> individual messages in order of date, which is messy. >>>>>>> But that works for me. I click on the part of the thread "column >>>>>>> header" >>>>>>> twice, and get my messages sorted by threads, newest on top. When I >>>>>>> return, the setting is still there, only that the threads are not >>>>>>> open >>>>>>> (which they are when I switch to sorting by thread from another mode >>>>>>> which always shows each message). So each thread is represented >>>>>>> by its >>>>>>> first message, which is a bit terse for some situations and I >>>>>>> have to >>>>>>> open the thread if I've already read the first message and now >>>>>>> want to >>>>>>> read the new ones "inside" the thread. That is one reason why I >>>>>>> prefer >>>>>>> trn - more direct access to the new message in a thread I have >>>>>>> already >>>>>>> started on. But reverse-sorting by thread as such works.
>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>> I've tried that, and it works while I keep Thunderbird open, but >>>>>> usually the next time I open it, it's reverted to ascending order >>>>>> by message date. Having said which I've opened Thunderbird this >>>>>> morning and it's behaving perfectly. >>>>>> Steve Hague
>>>>> Except I can't get it to block a particular sender and delete >>>>> messages from that sender, for instance someone wanting to sell me >>>>> ugg boots. I've tried creating a filter from the message but to no >>>>> obvious effect. >>>>> Steve Hague >>>> Strange, I click on the "create filter from message" option and it >>>> works fine. Not for posts that are already there of course, but for >>>> any new ones from the same sender.
>>>> I recently got two UGG boot spams here in umra which is very unusual >>>> for the Berlin server even to get one. I would guess therefore that >>>> the second one had a slight variation in sender, but I CBA to go and >>>> check...
>>> Outlook Express deletes everything from the blocked sender. I've >>> opened Thunderbird this morning and it's all over the place again. >>> Steve Hague
>> It isn't here. I saw 2 ugg boot spams once each but nothing else. >> What else are you getting?
> Sorry, I didn't mean ugg boots and other spam are all over the place. > It's the messages on Thunderbird that are. > Steve Hague
And now I've discovered that on one of my ngs Thunderbird only shows messages up to the 3rd of November. OE shows them up to this morning. Steve Hague
> Sorry, I didn't mean ugg boots and other spam are all over the place. > It's the messages on Thunderbird that are.
Are you sure you are clicking on the little squiqqle on the Title bar to the left of the paperclip ? That makes sure the posts are threaded. Click it again and it stays threaded, but in a different sequence but I've never quite understood what the difference is.
Nevertheless you still get answers to posts before the original sometimes for some reason, so it's not perfect...
>> Sorry, I didn't mean ugg boots and other spam are all over the place. >> It's the messages on Thunderbird that are.
> Are you sure you are clicking on the little squiqqle on the Title bar to > the left of the paperclip ? That makes sure the posts are threaded. > Click it again and it stays threaded, but in a different sequence but > I've never quite understood what the difference is.
> Nevertheless you still get answers to posts before the original > sometimes for some reason, so it's not perfect...
I didn't know what the little squiggle was for, but I'll click it and see what happens. I've got threads, order received and ascending selected under sort by, and would have thought that would cover it, but a quick google shows I'm not the only one with this problem. Can't see why uk.sport.cricket falls silent on the third of September on TB but continues to wax eloquent up till this morning on OE though. Steve Hague
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