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 More options 8 Nov, 09:41
Newsgroups: uk.media.radio.archers
From: Marjorie <dontusethisaddr...@springequinox.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:41:49 +0000
Local: Sun 8 Nov 2009 09:41
Subject: Re: William
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> In message <hd41r7$na...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Robin Fairbairns
> <r...@cl.cam.ac.uk> writes:
> []
>> logical reasoning depends on a distinction between "infer" and
>> "imply".  so it seems that people to want to defend to the last their
>> inability to talk logically.

> I fear - because it offends me to - that the "preserve the distinction"
> argument is only valid if a case of confusion can actually be proved.
> What logical reasoning requires is that the two concepts exist - not
> that those two words are always used for them.

Well, it seems to me that there is actual confusion. I quite often hear
something like "You seem to be inferring that ..." or "I wasn't
inferring ..." and I have to listen to quite a lot more and then
mentally rewind what they've said before knowing whether they actually
meant "inferring" or "implying".

If they used another term instead, like "suggest" or "assume", I'd have
no problem knowing what they meant, but it's a pity if we lose the
proper meaning of "infer", which would do the job nicely if used correctly.

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Marjorie

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 More options 8 Nov, 12:06
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From: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@soft255.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:06:34 +0000
Local: Sun 8 Nov 2009 12:06
Subject: Re: William
In message <ioednd9yMJ2-D2vXnZ2dnUVZ8tGdn...@brightview.co.uk>, Marjorie

Agreed. Basically, the distinction now _has_ been lost, so it would be
best if the two words were not used, unless the meaning is clear (or you
know the particular speaker would get it right). Sad, but true, I think.

Like a lot of grammatical pedantry matters, I also find that my mind
briefly wanders into how I would explain to the speaker what the
distinction is - which frequently makes me miss more of what the speaker
is saying. Whether this is my problem or theirs is an interesting (and
unresolvable) point.
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