> "Can you please explain what is meant by This is a reconditioned part > exchange?"
> so I explained ...
> answer came back
> "I meant the exchange bit, do you have to send the old part back?"
> err ...
> This person is qualified to undertake gas work for financial gain
> -- > geoff
Depends on what the full email message and answer said really.
Was it clear that it was a reconditioned part which was part exchanged? or a reconditioned part with a part exchange scheme of returning the old part? or .....
>> "Can you please explain what is meant by This is a reconditioned part >> exchange?"
>> so I explained ...
>> answer came back
>> "I meant the exchange bit, do you have to send the old part back?"
>> err ...
>> This person is qualified to undertake gas work for financial gain
>> -- >> geoff
>Depends on what the full email message and answer said really.
>Was it clear that it was a reconditioned part which was part exchanged? or a >reconditioned part with a part exchange scheme of returning the old part? or >.....
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember The Wanderer <the.wande...@gmx.co.uk> saying something like:
Something like "This price is on a reconditioned/part exchange basis - you are obliged to send us the old part back promptly as part of the deal" would be clearer.
I can imagine reading it and wondering if it meant that you'd *acquired* the unit on some sort of part exchange basis (which may well be true), but that this was for information only, and had no relation to any part of the deal between you and the current buyer.
Perhaps he was unclear whether you were merely declaring the part he would receive had been exchanged from someone else, rather than saying that he must exchange his faulty part?
In message <57SdnUyS4Z7pamjXnZ2dnUVZ7sNi4...@brightview.co.uk>, Andy Burns <usenet.aug2...@adslpipe.co.uk> writes
>On 07/11/09 21:56, geoff wrote:
>> I can't see where the ambiguity lies
>Perhaps he was unclear whether you were merely declaring the part he >would receive had been exchanged from someone else, rather than saying >that he must exchange his faulty part?
Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...@REMOVEgmail.com> wibbled on Saturday 07 November 2009 22:00
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the > drugs began to take hold. I remember The Wanderer > <the.wande...@gmx.co.uk> saying something like:
geoff wrote: > In message <57SdnUyS4Z7pamjXnZ2dnUVZ7sNi4...@brightview.co.uk>, Andy > Burns <usenet.aug2...@adslpipe.co.uk> writes >>On 07/11/09 21:56, geoff wrote:
>>> I can't see where the ambiguity lies
>>Perhaps he was unclear whether you were merely declaring the part he >>would receive had been exchanged from someone else, rather than saying >>that he must exchange his faulty part?
> So maybe
> "This is reconditioned and is part exchange"
> I want to keep it simple
well it makes sense to you and to me, but in this throw-away world we now live in how many people have ever "part exchanged" anything before.
> well it makes sense to you and to me, > but in this throw-away world we now live in > how many people have ever "part exchanged" anything before.
Your right there ... my son borrowed the Tom-Tom the other week and when he returned it on Friday it was less the power lead. Upon been asked where the power lead was he said the wire had come out of the cigarette lighter connector so he threw the lead away ... when asked why he didn't bring it back so I could try and fix it he said they're only around a fiver to buy new so why repair it! Needless to say he isn't offering to pay ... words fail me.
> "Can you please explain what is meant by This is a reconditioned part > exchange?"
> so I explained ...
> answer came back
> "I meant the exchange bit, do you have to send the old part back?"
> err ...
> This person is qualified to undertake gas work for financial gain
> -- > geoff
Possibly also your fault for not explaining clearly. It could be read as exchanged part reconditioned! You clearly have limited knowledge of the way the English language works. The secret is to phrase something so others can not misunderstand or misinterpret it - you idiot. He was checking you were not trying to deliberately misrepresent the item, condition or terms of sale by stating, "you misunderstood" if any complaint was made. So for someone with an analytical mind - I would trust them. You just make yourself appear as a right idiot with limited literacy skills.
>>Well, I ain't a gas fitter, but I wasn't sure exactly what you meant until >>I looked at the T&C.
> So what other meaning can "part exchange" have ?
> I obviously need to get to the bottom of this
> I can't see where the ambiguity lies
> I can see ambiguity in the original direction of travel, but that isn't > what that phrase is meant to cover
> -- > geoff
Is this some sort of new way to spam a newsgroup with an advert for a web site! Perhaps by later stating people have misunderstood, similar to the way your advert was worded. Very clever, now stop spamming.
>"geoff" <ra...@kateda.org> wrote in message >news:E$eCJ6bR0e9KFwZ9@demon.co.uk... >> In message <1bhkn78kq0ixg$.b727wp827woq$....@40tude.net>, The Wanderer >> <the.wande...@gmx.co.uk> writes >>>On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:43:36 +0000, geoff wrote:
>>>Well, I ain't a gas fitter, but I wasn't sure exactly what you meant until >>>I looked at the T&C.
>> So what other meaning can "part exchange" have ?
>> I obviously need to get to the bottom of this
>> I can't see where the ambiguity lies
>> I can see ambiguity in the original direction of travel, but that isn't >> what that phrase is meant to cover
>> -- >> geoff
>Is this some sort of new way to spam a newsgroup with an >advert for a web site! Perhaps by later stating people have >misunderstood, similar to the way your advert was worded. >Very clever, now stop spamming.
Err no its not
I always self advertise if I think I am the best solution, but otherwise I don't even use my company email or advertise in my sig
All regulars here know who I am and know I don't do such things
except you , that is -
I'll just join the long list of contributors who have told you to fuck off
>> "Can you please explain what is meant by This is a reconditioned part >> exchange?"
>> so I explained ...
>> answer came back
>> "I meant the exchange bit, do you have to send the old part back?"
>> err ...
>> This person is qualified to undertake gas work for financial gain
>> -- >> geoff
>Possibly also your fault for not explaining clearly. It could be read >as exchanged part reconditioned! You clearly have limited knowledge >of the way the English language works. >The secret is to phrase something so others can not misunderstand >or misinterpret it - you idiot. He was checking you were not trying >to deliberately misrepresent the item, condition or terms of sale by >stating, "you misunderstood" if any complaint was made. So for >someone with an analytical mind - I would trust them. >You just make yourself appear as a right idiot with limited literacy >skills.
Roger wrote: > "geoff" <ra...@kateda.org> wrote in message > news:E$eCJ6bR0e9KFwZ9@demon.co.uk... >> In message <1bhkn78kq0ixg$.b727wp827woq$....@40tude.net>, The >> Wanderer <the.wande...@gmx.co.uk> writes >>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:43:36 +0000, geoff wrote:
>>> Well, I ain't a gas fitter, but I wasn't sure exactly what you >>> meant until I looked at the T&C.
>> So what other meaning can "part exchange" have ?
>> I obviously need to get to the bottom of this
>> I can't see where the ambiguity lies
>> I can see ambiguity in the original direction of travel, but that >> isn't what that phrase is meant to cover
>> -- >> geoff
> Is this some sort of new way to spam a newsgroup with an > advert for a web site! Perhaps by later stating people have > misunderstood, similar to the way your advert was worded. > Very clever, now stop spamming.
Fuckwit Roger strikes again. You are one sad bastard.
>> "Can you please explain what is meant by This is a reconditioned part >> exchange?"
>> so I explained ...
>> answer came back
>> "I meant the exchange bit, do you have to send the old part back?"
>> err ...
>> This person is qualified to undertake gas work for financial gain
>> -- >> geoff
> Possibly also your fault for not explaining clearly. It could be read > as exchanged part reconditioned! You clearly have limited knowledge > of the way the English language works. > The secret is to phrase something so others can not misunderstand > or misinterpret it - you idiot. He was checking you were not trying > to deliberately misrepresent the item, condition or terms of sale by > stating, "you misunderstood" if any complaint was made. So for > someone with an analytical mind - I would trust them. > You just make yourself appear as a right idiot with limited literacy > skills.
Number one candidate for 'Fuckwit of the Year Award'.
> "Can you please explain what is meant by This is a reconditioned part > exchange?"
> so I explained ...
> answer came back
> "I meant the exchange bit, do you have to send the old part back?"
Obviously your fault Geoff. Ex Change could well mean 'without change', so if the part came to £49:95 you would have to pay £50. If you were a complete idiot that is.
>> Well, I ain't a gas fitter, but I wasn't sure exactly what you meant >> until >> I looked at the T&C.
> So what other meaning can "part exchange" have ?
> I obviously need to get to the bottom of this
> I can't see where the ambiguity lies
> I can see ambiguity in the original direction of travel, but that isn't > what that phrase is meant to cover
The Ts&Cs spell it out ok AFAICS. The slight ambiguity comes from the fact you are communicating two things in your short "This is a reconditioned part exchange" note; firstly the part you are supplying is recon and not new, and secondly, that the deal is part ex.
Perhaps "Please Note: This is the part exchange price for a reconditioned part" would spell it out more clearly.
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:00:51 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: > We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the > drugs began to take hold. I remember The Wanderer > <the.wande...@gmx.co.uk> saying something like:
>>Well, I ain't a gas fitter, but I wasn't sure exactly what you meant until >>I looked at the T&C.
> Oh fur fucks sake. > You'd have to have your head up your arse to not know what it meant.
Bollocks. I had to write out instructions regularly in a very precise manner. The dictum was always 'Clear, Concise, Accurate' His wording may be concise, it certainly ain't clear, and I'm doubting whethet it's accurate as it stands.
Now, unless you've anything useful to say, fuck off.
-- The Wanderer
It pays to buy things you dislike. They last much longer.
>>Well, I ain't a gas fitter, but I wasn't sure exactly what you meant until >>I looked at the T&C.
> So what other meaning can "part exchange" have ?
> I obviously need to get to the bottom of this
> I can't see where the ambiguity lies
> I can see ambiguity in the original direction of travel, but that isn't > what that phrase is meant to cover
I guess its all a question of semantics.
Whether you intend to or not, you are describing the unit on your web page, i.e. a unit which had been taken in pex and then recon. As written there is no apparent requirement to return a faulty unit in exchange.
It was only when I looked at the T&C that what you intended became clear.
It was also quite apparent that the guy hadn't looked at your T&C, although there's a good link immediately underneath. If he had, he'd wouldn't have needed to ask the question.
During my working life I had to write instructions that *could not* allow for ambiguity, doubt or error (switching instructions for working on high voltage equipment). I was told 'clear, concise, accurate'. Applying that test to your words, I'd say certainly concise and accurate as a description of the unit. Did it clearly or accurately convey what you intended to say? well I'd have to say doubtful at best.
I'd go with John Rumm's suggestion, 'This is the part exchange price for a reconditioned unit.'
One or two others have come up with comments like 'perfectly obvious what you meant'. If they are used to a pex system for boiler replacements, then yes, they would have an innate understanding of how 'the system' works. Significant, however, that this guy didn't.
As a complete aside, do you get many who buy but don't return the faulty item in pex?
-- The Wanderer
Have I understood what the other guy is saying? Have I meant what I said? Have I said what I mean?
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