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Uno Hoo!  
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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 15:23
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From: "Uno Hoo!" <k...@dropthisbigfoot.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:23:16 -0000
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 15:23
Subject: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005
I'm fed up to the back teeth with the misleading information being given out
by the media about the new 'safety law' which comes into being after 1st
January next year.
As an example, the BBC 'Good Homes' magazine states: "If you're thinking of
tackling the electrics in your home DIY style, think again - from 1st
January 2005 it will be illegal. The National Council for Electrical
Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that renders
all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician,
illegal."

Similarly it has just been announced on Classic FM news that DIY electrical
work will be illegal after 1st January.  This is complete and utter
cobblers. The new law specifically exempts 'minor' electrical work such as
adding extra power points and/or lighting points - and on the whole this is
the sort of work that DIY electricians undertake. Only major work such as
adding complete new circuits and work undertaken in bathrooms and kitchens
comes within the new laws. Even the work that *is* covered by the new
regulations is not prohibited to DIY'ers - anyone wishing to carry out such
work has to notify the authorities and have the work inspected. Hardly
*illegal* ??

Why can the media never get anything right?

Kev


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Peter Crosland  
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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 15:40
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From: "Peter Crosland" <g6...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:40:11 -0000
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 15:40
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005
 The National Council for Electrical

> Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that renders
> all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician,
> illegal."

And since when was Parliament replaced by the NICEIC?

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:::Jerry::::  
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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 15:44
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From: ":::Jerry::::" <m...@privacy.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:44:57 -0000
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 15:44
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005

"Uno Hoo!" <k...@dropthisbigfoot.com> wrote in message

news:coa64v$ddf$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
<snip rant..>

> Why can the media never get anything right?

Because it's been a long time since most of the media retained an expert in
most subject I suspect, the average 'hack' could be writing copy on dog crap
one day and cookery the next....

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Andy Hall  
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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 15:57
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From: Andy Hall <an...@hall.nospam>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:57:25 +0000
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 15:57
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:40:11 -0000, "Peter Crosland"

<g6...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> The National Council for Electrical
>> Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that renders
>> all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician,
>> illegal."

>And since when was Parliament replaced by the NICEIC?

Oh, didn't you know?   ;-)

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Mike  
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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 15:59
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From: Mike <mailveil-use...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:59:55 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 15:59
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005
This is in reply to message of Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:44:57 -0000,
":::Jerry::::" <m...@privacy.net> which said:

>"Uno Hoo!" <k...@dropthisbigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:coa64v$ddf$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
><snip rant..>

>> Why can the media never get anything right?

>Because it's been a long time since most of the media retained an expert in
>most subject I suspect, the average 'hack' could be writing copy on dog crap
>one day and cookery the next....

Or  - "why spoil a good story with the truth".

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:::Jerry::::  
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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 16:31
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From: ":::Jerry::::" <m...@privacy.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:31:23 -0000
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 16:31
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005

"Mike" <mailveil-use...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:p09hq090vtppsau6ls5n5bm33ds0ml4i4t@4ax.com...

Trouble is, these (part time subject) hacks spoil a good story even when the
truth makes it a good story...

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Lurch  
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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 18:27
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From: Lurch <theoriginallu...@tiscali.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:27:54 +0000
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 18:27
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:40:11 -0000, "Peter Crosland"
<g6...@yahoo.co.uk> strung together this:

>And since when was Parliament replaced by the NICEIC?

Shortly after the Mafia and Gestapo clubbed together and bought the
NICEIC.
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Lurch  
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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 18:29
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From: Lurch <theoriginallu...@tiscali.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:29:53 +0000
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 18:29
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:23:16 -0000, "Uno Hoo!"
<k...@dropthisbigfoot.com> strung together this:

>Why can the media never get anything right?

Yet if I went to a customers property and said "you can't do that,
it's illegal. I'll have to charge you for doing that" I'd end up on
electricians from hell or somesuch shite.
It's the little people that are getting trampled on again.
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Andrew Mawson  
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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 18:43
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From: "Andrew Mawson" <andrew@no_spam_please_mawson.org.uk>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:43:07 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 18:43
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005

"Andy Hall" <an...@hall.nospam> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:40:11 -0000, "Peter Crosland"
> <g6...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > The National Council for Electrical
> >> Installation Contracting (NICEIC) has passed a new safety law that
renders
> >> all electrical work done by yourself, or an unregistered electrician,
> >> illegal."

> >And since when was Parliament replaced by the NICEIC?

> Oh, didn't you know?   ;-)

Might be a big improvement !!!!!!

AWEM


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Ed Sirett  
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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 18:45
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From: "Ed Sirett" <e...@makewrite.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:45:43 +0000
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 18:45
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005

Well this morning there was a _mostly_ balanced item on this subject on
the Today program on R4.

It did cover the subject accurately except for mentioning several times
that the regulations were designed to 'save lives' from dodgy wiring.
As if people are dropping like flies from fixed wiring faults.

It left as an open question weather the BCOs would be able to meet the
demand for inspections. It also mentioned the (nigh on certain IMHO) fact
that diy electricals will go underground.
It failed to mention that professional competant electrical work will very
likely also do so.

Even if you agree with the idea that electrical work should be regulated
the _timing_ of this introduction is arguably in error.

1) All the technical trades are currently subject to severe labour shortages.
2) The regulatory organizations have no incentive to expand.
3) The is a massive culture of diy elecrical work.

The introduction needed to be preceeded by a period where people have a
chance to get the exam passes and join ECA/NICEIC volutarily. Making it
known where and how to become qualified. Rather than leave it to peopl who
are already very busy to find out for themselves.

The changes needed to be after a period of recuitment for the BC Office to
get the inspectors they need. After January the LAs will need to recruit
inspectors form amonst whom? qualified electricians! This will only make
the labour shortages even worse!

Finally they needed to introduce this in the middle of a slump in
building work not a boom.

I have it on good authority that a law which is not enforceable is not a
law.

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Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ  http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html


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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 18:57
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From: "James" <jamesnospam14...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:57:58 -0000
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 18:57
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005

"Ed Sirett" <e...@makewrite.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:31:23 +0000, :::Jerry:::: wrote:

> Well this morning there was a _mostly_ balanced item on this subject on
> the Today program on R4.

> It did cover the subject accurately except for mentioning several times
> that the regulations were designed to 'save lives' from dodgy wiring.
> As if people are dropping like flies from fixed wiring faults.

The Government are now giving publicity to Part P - unlike the way it was
kept relatively quiet from the "person in the street" during the
consulatation process!  Would it have gone ahead had it received publicity
then?

James

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 More options 27 Nov 2004, 19:05
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From: "Peter Crosland" <g6...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:05:34 -0000
Local: Sat 27 Nov 2004 19:05
Subject: Re: DIY electrical work after 1st January 2005

> Might be a big improvement !!!!!!

ROTFLOL! I certainly don't think it could be worse.

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