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Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

n...@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.co.uk (Oh No) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 22:43:27 UT

Thus spake Buddenbrooks <knightstemp...@budweiser.com>
I can't think that anyone would wear such a thing. If its a random
delay, how would you know when to go to the toilet?
Regards

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

n...@sylva.icuklive.co.uk (andrew) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 21:43:11 UT

Sure but it isn't present so one cannot use it, I'll not argue the case for
dynamic demand because its a concept and takes a bit of getting used to.
The main point is the infrastructure doesn't need changing because it's all
there, all that is needed to implement it is a change in the requirement to

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

knightstemp...@budweiser.com (Buddenbrooks) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 19:33:04 UT

> What about surges in water use in this instance? At present, it would be
No worse than everyone going for a pee during half time on a televised TV
football match.
Power surge could be handled by having a random delay on switch on built
in.

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

knightstemp...@budweiser.com (Buddenbrooks) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 19:28:46 UT

>
I would expect that it would have to be part of major initiative, either
finance more power stations or finance a control infrastructure.
Since the government is keen on universal broadband it would be easy to
piggy back off it with wifi. I believe Swindon council is going for 100%
free wifi throughout the town.

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

burki...@yahoo.com (Burkie) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 19:05:34 UT

Dear GrahamW: I have never been in any direct communication with
either of these scientists, although that they have devoted their life
work to such work is both necessary and essential. I have to admire
that kind of dedication. Obviously, they are key individuals who the
ECDC and EFSA think enough of to have used them to participate in this

Re: MRSA -Weasel words from a discredited Defra

pat.gardi...@removeremovelive.co.uk (Pat Gardiner) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 16:43:29 UT

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:21:39 -0800 (PST), Burkie <Burki...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hi Burkie
I will reply from memory and look up the references later.
EFSA did order tests long ago IIRC 2007 and they were a very long time
being done and very late in being published. Why?
Their tests were intended to be dust samples.

Re: MRSA -Weasel words from a discredited Defra

burki...@yahoo.com (Burkie) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 15:21:39 UT

On Nov 26, 4:14 pm, Pat Gardiner <pat.gardi...@removeremovelive .co.uk>
wrote:
Dear Pat: I thought we were told that nasal swabbing was going to be
done, in addition to dust sampling by former press releases announcing
this study last winter, say around February, March and April. They
were also going to test some 300 sow herds, so are we to assume that

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

m...@nospam.org (GrahamW) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 11:51:53 UT

I found this information regarding MRSA T398 test results that were
sent to a central German-maintained database, designed specifically
for recording incidents of MRSA testing for SPA-types. It is
publically-available information, anyone can access on the internet.
Contrary to the statements now being made by your own National Pig

MRSA st398 - will the Germans keep quiet?

pat.gardi...@removeremovelive.co.uk (Pat Gardiner) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 11:30:09 UT

Pat's Note: A British owned publication published in the Netherlands
and invariably very vet friendly. You can read their stuff for
yourselves and decide how helpful it is.
Do you think the Germans are going to takle all the flak, when they
have a database in Germany (Ridom) that, thanks to Burkie, they know

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk (Tim Lamb) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 10:48:18 UT

In message <V0KPm.16741$Lu6.11...@newsfe0 5.ams2>, Buddenbrooks
<knightstemp...@budweiser.com> writes
Hmm... we have two. Conventional mobile telephones slotted into the
meters. AFAIK this is phone *home* only with no provision for any
switching commands.
regards

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

pat.gardi...@removeremovelive.co.uk (Pat Gardiner) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 10:55:01 UT

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:15:45 -0800 (PST), Burkie <Burki...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Yes, without making this a mutual self congratulatory society, I
recall you finding that extraordinary information and posting it here.
I had spotted that some children in Scotland had been infected by
ST398 and that the news had been suppressed for six months. However, I

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

j.gill...@higherstert.co.uk (Jane Gillett) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 08:05:48 UT

In article <ant260937313B...@strongarm.ha lf-baked-idea.co.uk>,
What about surges in water use in this instance? At present, it would be
random so somewhat smoothed out but if a significant number of washing
machines are programmed to fill at the same time isn't this going to cause
problems?
Also starting surges when a number of macjhines on a line start together?

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

burki...@yahoo.com (Burkie) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 09:15:45 UT

Dear Pat: I will add to my previous comment, in that the research I
made into your own allegations that MRSA ST398 existed in the UK's
swine herds before 2004 was true or false. I had to satisfy my own
sense of belief and confidence, if you understand. As a result of
my own initiative, I tried to find anything that would substantiate

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

knightstemp...@budweiser.com (Buddenbrooks) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 06:11:55 UT

, I think that there is a problem with transformers,
I believe also street lighting was found to act as fine aerials for all the
interference in the ether.
It would probably be the way to go if universal broadband was not planned
for the UK

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

knightstemp...@budweiser.com (Buddenbrooks) — Fri, 11 Nov 2009 06:07:46 UT

> I know you were but I was pointing out the view that the market would
I m not sure it is necessary to use frequency as a control mechanism when
there is plans to have electronic remote readable meters in every house.
If there is a command/control combs link available, why not use it?
I assume that transformers are optimized for maximum efficiency at 50Hz

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Re: MRSA -Weasel words from a discredited Defra

pat.gardi...@removeremovelive.co.uk (Pat Gardiner) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 22:14:58 UT

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:53:45 -0800 (PST), Burkie <Burki...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Well my understanding, based on what the Soil Association has to say,
is that unlike some EU and non-EU countries, Britain has only tested
dust samples.
Even if the dust samples are carefully and honestly collected, they
are no substitute for nasal swabs on the pigs.

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

n...@sylva.icuklive.co.uk (andrew) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 21:59:52 UT

I know you were but I was pointing out the view that the market would
balance this better if the price became dependant on the grid frequency.
Indeed if battery powered cars become common a householder may judge it
worth their while trading battery life and charge-discharge cycle
inefficiency against the difference in price between peak and off peak

Re: MRSA -Weasel words from a discredited Defra

burki...@yahoo.com (Burkie) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 21:53:45 UT

On Nov 25, 11:12 am, Pat Gardiner
Dear Mr. Gardiner: What an intriguing statement! And how evasive
and ambiguous at the same time.
Evidence? What evidence? Please show provide us the details of the
tests that have been conducted, the number of premises, their
locations, what production facilities were samples collected from and

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

greyma...@mail.com — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 21:49:07 UT

Internet over electriciy mains is available in France. Voice
telephone over e.lines was widely used in the mines in Zambia, back
in late 1960's, I think that there is a problem with transformers,
not unsurmountable.

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

knightstemp...@budweiser.com (Buddenbrooks) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 21:07:02 UT

>> I think specific comms signal is far more flexible.
I have a £5 from Aldi radio controlled clock which receives a data packet
which could also include control bytes.
or
That is supply side adjustment I was suggesting load shedding to match
generation capability.

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

burki...@yahoo.com (Burkie) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 20:29:11 UT

On Nov 26, 8:49 am, Pat Gardiner <pat.gardi...@removeremovelive .co.uk>
wrote:
Dear Pat: After doing some research on the net, due to your
allegations long ago, I can say, honestly, there is evidence available
which does confirm that ST398 was found as long ago as 2004 in pigs,
in the UK. Statements made on the part of the NPA and DEFRA are

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

m...@peterduncanson.net (Peter Duncanson) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 20:07:41 UT

The ones I have need to have the power on before the start button will
have any effect. It is not possible to leave the appliance so that it
will run as soon as power is applied, so an external time switch is no
help. This is probably sensible from a safety point of view.

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

oldcod...@anyoldwhere.net (Old Codger) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 19:53:08 UT

Once again Pat Gardiner has not responded. It is therefore reasonable
to assume that he cannot identify any "Defra front organisations" in the
list of funders on the CRU website.

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

oldcod...@anyoldwhere.net (Old Codger) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 19:48:42 UT

Pat Gardiner did not respond. It is therefore reasonable to assume that
he cannot identify any "bully boys" and therefore there are no "bully boys".

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

n...@sylva.icuklive.co.uk (andrew) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 19:46:32 UT

Far more expensive and difficult too!
Some things can be disconnected, like freezers and fridges and heating
elements, subject to tolerable temperature limits. Many other things need a
discrete amount of electricity in a given period to complete a task so
their needs will be scheduled. The fuzzy logic would be the means by which

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

sur...@127.0.0.1 (Surfer!) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 18:39:58 UT

In message <ufssg553sbj49hfhb60rsb0jdceli j2...@4ax.com>, Peter Duncanson
<m...@peterduncanson.net> writes
<snip>
Some of them do, and many more can be used with a timer to control when
they start.

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

knightstemp...@budweiser.com (Buddenbrooks) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 17:30:51 UT

> I've talked about this before, there is a body that says: if the grid is
I think specific comms signal is far more flexible.
If it became standard feature a degree of subtle control may be needed.
Disconnect load in smaller chunks.

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

knightstemp...@budweiser.com (Buddenbrooks) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 17:23:42 UT

>>
I believe trials of sending data over mains network have proven
disappointing, otherwise it would be easy for
the electricity suppliers to control the load. Failing that broadband or
even a signal on the back of the time standard transmitter at Droitwich
could control appliances.
Keeping generators at optimum efficiency and adjusting the load is very

"Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

pat.gardi...@removeremovelive.co.uk (Pat Gardiner) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 14:49:18 UT

Pat's Note: Developing storm clouds for Britain's infamous government
vets. They are not now going to get away with anything.
After a decade of faking everything in sight and intimidating anyone
who stood out againast their criminal activities, the game is up.
Everyone reads Maryn McKenna.
[link]

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

m...@peterduncanson.net (Peter Duncanson) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 12:22:47 UT

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:02:37 +0000, Derek Moody
I don't know what electricity tariffs exist elsewhere but here the price
is much lower at night than during the day. I normally run the washing
machine and tumble dryer at night. It would be useful if these
appliances had time switches so that I could programme the start time.

Re: Making Your Small Business Look Big

m...@peterduncanson.net (Peter Duncanson) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 12:15:59 UT

Almost.
The rules appear to be that a worker from a foreign country with which
we, UK or ROI, are not connected (by a treaty permitting the free
movement of workers) can come to do a job for which there is not a
suitable local candidate. The employer has to get government permission
to employ that particular named individual. If or when the employee

Re: Making Your Small Business Look Big

greyma...@mail.com — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 10:49:10 UT

Man I know with extensive contacts in the prairie provinces, I asked
about moving there, (interested for an unemployed relatives) he
assumed I meant for myself, and said that people my age, 60+ (for a
large range of `+' :) ) or so, would need a million euros or so in
assets before you would be allowed citizenship. Local guy had a job

Re: Making Your Small Business Look Big

greyma...@mail.com — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 10:49:09 UT

Official websites are intended for that :).
Lots of Turks came in for the Dublin tunnel job, and went home after. I
don't think the Moldavans wanted to remain here anyway, country far
too expensive. (Local meat factory staffed with Moldavans).
Moldavan national hymn,
"When we were communist, we had houses, maybe not great houses, but

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

greyma...@mail.com — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 10:49:08 UT

Piped water came in around 1960 or so. Giving that pond was about 2'
deep, 50 years has it sedged up fairly well, enough that one idiot
tried to drive acrsss and sank (plastic rubbish around front and back
bumper meant that a 4wd tractor was needed to pull it, and a glob of
muck, out) (Depends on what is the finished state needed for the test,

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

n...@sylva.icuklive.co.uk (andrew) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 10:46:02 UT

I've talked about this before, there is a body that says: if the grid is
allowed to vary frequency with demand (we're talking about .1Hz max swing)
then there is a mechanism by which the market alter its behavious on both
the supply and demand side. IF frequency LO then supply power AND/OR NOT
use fridge/washingmachine/dishwash er etc. Vice versa when frequency rises

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

de...@farm-direct.co.uk (Derek Moody) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 08:31:51 UT

In article <4b0d6806$0$2528$da0fe...@news .zen.co.uk>, Old Codger
It just needs appropriate metering. Plugs that can intercept the pricing
signals and begin a cycle only at a presettable value have already been
demonstrated. They can operate on several settings, including ones suitable
for: Equipment that can happily turn off at any time the E price rises.

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

de...@farm-direct.co.uk (Derek Moody) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 09:02:37 UT

In article <4b0dc175$0$2488$db0fe...@news .zen.co.uk>, Old Codger
The interim option is smart-plugs.
You load the washing machine, turn it 'on' and when the price is right the
plug starts the cycle. If baby has run out of nappies you hit 'override'
and take the extra cost.
Cheerio,

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

knightstemp...@budweiser.com (Buddenbrooks) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 06:37:45 UT

Wi-Fi enabled appliances are only a marketing decision away :) .
The electronics in devices like a washing machine which already contain
an electronic controller would be negligible.
Load shedding during periods of excess demand will be far better than
area wide blackouts. Better every other street light shuts off over a larger

Re: Making Your Small Business Look Big

l...@exxtra.co.invalid (lynz) — Thu, 11 Nov 2009 01:56:03 UT

Thanks anything up to about 100mm would be fine. Hot sunny and windy
today. Would be ok if we were making hay today. :)
Cheers L

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

oldcod...@anyoldwhere.net (Old Codger) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:44:41 UT

So we would all have to buy new washing machines, dishwashers, cookers,
microwaves etc. and only use them when the electricity was cheap enough?

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

knightstemp...@budweiser.com (Buddenbrooks) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:01:00 UT

.
No beurocracy, every unit is programmed to only switch on if electricity
is below a selected price.
So heating and washing machines would be set to only work while
electricity is cheaper.

Re: Baling wholecrop straw

n...@sylva.icuklive.co.uk (andrew) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:22:32 UT

In principle one could concieve of a big bale burner where the bale was
pushed into the burner on demand, with the primary air passing between the
bale and the casing. Secondary air added by jets playing on the face and
all working under induced draught. A gravity flap acting as a crude lock
hopper between bales.

Re: Baling wholecrop straw

n...@nospamkintaline.co.uk ( Jill) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:13:11 UT

but there is already corn starch film for spuds and so on -- can you not use
that or does it not work under such tension for wrapping?

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

malc...@indaal.demon.co.uk (Malcolm) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:55:46 UT

In article <slrnhgqt2r.4ah.greyma...@maus .org>, greyma...@mail.com
writes
About 1 millimetre a year, or 10 cm per 100 years, or a metre every 1000
years, assuming rainfall and sphagnum growth to be constant.

Re: Baling wholecrop straw

srawli...@cix.compulink.co.uk — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:25:56 UT

In article <gJ1uIhCtOPDLF...@marfordfarm. demon.co.uk>,
I remember..... I have no wish to return to those days, thank you! :)
The only mechanising I would consider was having some big square bales
from the NH or MF baler range and having a roller feed to allow 2m long
bales inot the burner. Pelleting would be the way forward to have a simple

Re: Baling wholecrop straw

srawli...@cix.compulink.co.uk — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:25:57 UT

In article
<28558a61-4340-413c-9107-d9a8a cd19...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroup s.com>,
The farm my Mother was farm secretary for 20 odd years ago had a system
like this running mainly on OSR and wheat straw. The biggest problem they
had was stones jamming the conveyer mechanisms! Over here we are used to

Re: Baling wholecrop straw

srawli...@cix.compulink.co.uk — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:25:57 UT

In article <Nc4Pm.57608$fF2.46...@newsfe2 6.ams2>,
>
I can recall one farm I used to vist from College that had free range
poultry and they "ran" their boiler on chickens :)
Steve Rawlings

Re: Baling wholecrop straw

srawli...@cix.compulink.co.uk — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:25:56 UT

In article <7n4golF3k58t...@mid.individua l.net>, n...@sylva.icuklive.co.uk
I will be sure to use "proper" string! Biodegradable netwrap anyone??
Steve Rawlings

Re: Defra is paying for the climate change research

greyma...@mail.com — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:49:14 UT

When I was going to school, they taught that it would take tens of
thousands of years for them to form. OTOH, cars attempt to drive
across what used to be a roadside drinking pond that we used before
piped water, which since has sedged up.