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Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-08T23:40:54Z

Is that the technical term? I was happy with "do not resuscitate" and a
donor card.
AJH

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-08T23:05:50Z

Quoting from message <kdxvNwBu+rHLF...@marfordfarm. demon.co.uk>
posted on 8 Dec 2009 by Tim Lamb I would like to add:
Well I do keep saying that I'm going to have "not for resuscitation
tattooed on my chest".

Re: Who's going to open the floodgates?

2009-12-08T21:50:15Z

On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:51:03 -0000, "Buddenbrooks"
That is from a newspaper report. It is highly likely that the scientific
paper has been misreported.

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-08T20:57:00Z

In message <ant081430b49B...@strongarm.ha lf-baked-idea.co.uk>, Derek
Moody <de...@farm-direct.co.uk> writes
Israel seems to manage. Surely Greece and Italy ought to grow
something?
regards

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-08T21:05:50Z

In message <y1yTm.51532$oB1.1...@newsfe07 .ams2>, Buddenbrooks
<knightstemp...@budweiser.com> writes
Time to stop encouraging childbirth?
Subsistence families have children to support the old. We have
politicians encouraging immigration to support the old.
We need to sort out the old .... er....
regards

Re: Who's going to open the floodgates?

2009-12-08T19:51:03Z

> this earlier study was based on previous sea level rises that had failed
to
Sounds not credible. The depth of reservoirs may be high, but the area
compared to the area of sea muct be small.
So spread I cannot see it being significant.
It only goes to illustrate how poor the global warming model is when it

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-08T19:45:41Z

> Thank you. Lets forget them for the next 30 years and get on with what
The current technology will not meet the needs of 9 billion living a
western lifestyle.

Re: Who's going to open the floodgates?

2009-12-08T18:53:36Z

Linda Sutherland <linda.sutherl...@waitrose.com > writes
New dams, I imagine.
Seems implausible though.
Personally my gut feeling is that sea levels will rise more quickly and
to a much greater extent than currently envisaged.

Who's going to open the floodgates?

2009-12-08T18:53:45Z

Today's 'Independent' carries a report headlined 'Sea levels may rise three
times more than first thought'. It says that, according to one Dr Rahmstorf,
earlier predictions made in a study he published in 2007 were
underestimates, because
<quote>
this earlier study was based on previous sea level rises that had failed to

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-08T17:54:00Z

In article <hfiof7$89...@news.eternal-sep tember.org>, Linda Sutherland
You need to use it with care, it's too easy to stack it up and burn a whole
load in a couple of hours. If you leave it in a bed of ash it won't blaze
and will stay in all day.
Cheerio,

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-08T14:04:30Z

In article <EL3HolA1LNHLF...@marfordfarm. demon.co.uk>, Tim Lamb
They'll be a while yet. Worry first about the southern half of the EU
looking for somewhere they can still grow a crop.
Cheerio,

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-08T14:02:13Z

In article <50c5df0d2cj.gill...@higherste rt.co.uk>, Jane Gillett
That's how the methods are tested. Give the procedure all the data up to
a particular date. Then compare its prediction with the measured values for
the subsequent period. If it isn't a reasonable match return to the drawing
board...

MRSA - Danes curb vets selling antibiotics.

2009-12-08T09:18:12Z

Pat's Note: A mass of new information from a vet friendly source
confirming how serious the situation has become and, incidentally,
telling us how the Danes exercise control over veterinary greed.
Witnesses to the Dutch Parliament are obviously protected from being
intimidated by State Veterinary criminals running terror and libel

Re: Worth watching, Mt St Helens Lecture

2009-12-08T07:23:42Z

troyc <troy...@yahoo.com> writes
No, that one isn't a probable problem in the medium term.
I think.
Thank you, one tries.
One always wonders how its possible to do all these things in
retrospect.
And run a house and have a job too!
Tsk, tsk....

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

2009-12-07T21:59:54Z

Oh dear, he is at it again. False accusations and libel, all of which I
have already answered. Oh well, once more:
I forgot, it is obvious from your posts that you don't understand about
libel.
Responding to your posts is *NOT* stalking and that is all I have done.
I know you have claimed to be fighting cancer but I don't know that

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

2009-12-07T21:35:48Z

On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:03:40 +0000, Old Codger
From a man that has been stalking me for a decade, the last five
knowing that I have been fighting cancer and, as now, usually house
bound!
That's without deliberately frabricating mischief about my buesiness
record, not 15 miles from your door.
Then deliberately exploiting threats of arson attacks by others to

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

2009-12-07T21:03:40Z

It wasn't relevant and, anyway it can be read on your post. You haven't
deleted it have you?
I said it is libellous, that should be answer enough.

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

2009-12-07T20:29:53Z

On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:49:31 +0000, Old Codger
You have snipped the entire thread. How can anyone tell?
No answer, I notice.

Re: Worth watching, Mt St Helens Lecture

2009-12-07T20:29:37Z

Fortunately not a concern for me, as I live a comfortable distance
away from the Pacific NW. However, if (when?) the New Madrid fault
wakes up again, life around here may become unpleasant. Luckily that
doesn't look to be the case in the forseeable future...
I learned a great deal from you, Jim, Tracy, et. al. back in the day!

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

2009-12-07T19:49:31Z

What has that libellous statement got to do with anything relevant to
this thread?

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-07T14:21:50Z

In article <50c5df0d2cj.gill...@higherste rt.co.uk>, Jane Gillett
<j.gill...@higherstert.co.uk> writes
Well, yes, that would be interesting but at least the correctness or
otherwise of the prediction about 2009 will be known for certain at the
end of this month!

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-07T10:38:51Z

In article <9bQV+pRcUCHLF...@indaal.demon .co.uk>,
I'd like to see some comparisons of past predictions with what actually
occurred, particularly using the models/methods/data that current
predictions are based on. Or, in fewer words, did "they" get it right in
the past?
Cheers
Jane

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-07T13:29:45Z

Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> writes
Actually a premium to that for 'convenience' (that is many people insist
on cooking with gas).
That's the bottom line, but there is always supply and demand than can
significantly alter these (particularly upwards).
They are uneconomic at current prices.

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-07T13:32:54Z

I know
It was a pretty full tide yesterday morning!!, almost into our bottom field
duck pond.

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-07T11:32:58Z

In article <7o44puF3n3e8...@mid.individua l.net>, Jill
<m...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> writes
Yes, here, too, though whether by enough.........

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-07T10:25:42Z

Sounds useless. :-)
Linda.

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-07T10:47:27Z

yeah I know, but living in somewhat similar proximity to the sea as you, we
can clutch at straws.
Fortunately our bit of coast is still rising !

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-07T10:12:24Z

In message <NozMSnGbmKHLF...@OzHome.com>, Oz <O...@mailcatch.com> writes
Because of the monopoly supply situation, gas used to be priced to
compete with light heating oil (gas oil).
Won't the availability of future energy supplies depend on the *energy*
cost of obtaining them? The tar sands must be marginal by the time oil

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-07T10:03:33Z

In message <H06rVfW2TMHLF...@indaal.demon .co.uk>, Malcolm
<Malc...@indaal.demon.co.uk> writes
The 80m contour runs by this house so I am not concerned about salt
water. Just the thought of umpteen million Londoners looking for
somewhere dry!
regards

Dutch Parliament - MRSA - Ban on veterinary prescription of antibiotics

2009-12-07T10:30:27Z

Pat's Note: The Dutch take veterinary over-prescription of antibiotics
to livestock seriously and understand the reason - veterinary greed.
We all know that self-regulation does not work.
[link]
Veteriarians call for self-regulation on antibiotics

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-07T09:05:16Z

In article <7o2pg9F3oee3...@mid.individua l.net>, Jill
<m...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> writes
That maybe so, but I was referring to the global temperature not just to
that of a small area north of Oban :-)

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-07T09:03:50Z

In article <1jabqc6.8hgt3mnxeoaoN%%ste... @malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth
<%ste...@malloc.co.uk> writes
Never and I don't know what gave you the idea that I was worrying! I was
merely passing on a prediction that was originally made in late 2008 and
which seems now, as 2009 draws to an end, as if it is coming to pass.

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

2009-12-07T08:55:46Z

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:27:17 +0000, Old Codger
Are you out on bail?

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-07T07:07:07Z

Oh No <N...@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.c o.uk> writes
Sadly not. Its a feature of economics that prices will equalise for
equivalent/replaceable products. There is a premium for convenience and
a discount for oversupply but its relatively minor (typically <50%).
So if diesel is dear, other energy supplies will rise to match it, after

Re: "Pig MRSA" in the EU - long-awaited survey

2009-12-06T23:27:17Z

<Snip of stuff that appears to have stopped being in contention>
Possibly but not in a newsgroup. Statements posted by you, or indeed
anyone else, are not proof or even evidence towards proof.
Libel is a civil wrong with damages as the retribution. I suppose gaol
might be a possibility for criminal libel but we are not discussing that

Re: MRSA in pigs - hot from Westminster

2009-12-06T22:57:10Z

On Dec 6, 5:26 am, Pat Gardiner <pat.gardi...@removeremovelive .co.uk>
wrote:
============================== ============================== ==========================
My apologies to Peter for misspelling his name. I am really going to
have to do a better job of spelling, but at 2 am in the morning,

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-06T22:27:16Z

For the sake of balance I'll predict that it won't be. There you go, you
can sleep easy.
Do you always worry about predictions?

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-06T22:28:27Z

hmm
I would have guessed that ours was one of the chilliest and therefore
driest, for quite some years.
The summer was unremarkable, no particular heat.
In fact, we have all been comparing it with summers some 20 years ago.

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-06T21:41:48Z

In article <50c58e5b2drjse...@zetnet.co.u k>, Robert Seago
<rjse...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
And it is predicted that 2009 will be in the top five warmest years on
record.

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-06T19:57:26Z

In article <JkawDUNOPtGLF...@charlesfranc is.wanadoo.co.uk>,
So what, there has over the last nine.

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-06T18:53:35Z

Thus spake Oz <O...@mailcatch.com>
This is only so for the time being, while petrochemicals are our primary
source of energy.
Regards

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-06T17:17:14Z

Oh No <N...@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.c o.uk> writes
Bloody hell charles please understand that energy from wind wave tide
and solar will be priced comparably to diesel (say) and thus so will the
cost of producing H2.
You neatly exemplified a most important and totally fallacious urban
myth.
Don't worry, many people fall for the same old thing.

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-06T17:15:05Z

Oh No <N...@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.c o.uk> writes
Bear in mind the source and use pinch of salt.
Currently H2 is hugely dearer at the tank than diesel energy-for-energy
so that's pretty well a truism whatever. However as diesel prices rise,
so do energy prices and so does the cost of manufacturing H2 because you

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-06T17:52:49Z

That theoretical efficiency is only achieved if one ignores the
production of the hydrogen. And the theoretical efficiency of the Otto
Cycle is, as OZ mentioned, slightly greater than 86%. That's for an
engine working between 2273K and 298K. However constrained as we are to
the real world, the theoretical efficiency of the Otto Cycle is unlikely

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-06T17:34:36Z

And from magic moonbeams no doubt. However back in the corporeal world,
there's no way that those sources can provide the hydrogen necessary.
And there's no consideration of the pollution potential of the
by-products of electroysis which on a large scale would include chlorine
and a lot of sodium hydroxide to be got rid of.

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-06T16:50:21Z

Thus spake Oz <O...@mailcatch.com>
Read the article properly. Also states theoretical efficiency (85%) much
higher compared to Otto cycle, 60%. In practice states "The tank-to-
wheel efficiency of a fuel cell vehicle is about 45% at low loads and
shows average values of about 36% when a driving cycle like the NEDC

Re: CO2 reduction strategy urban myths

2009-12-06T16:43:46Z

Thus spake Steve Firth <%ste...@malloc.co.uk>
That is because the car is only a part of the solution. The full
solution would involve creating the H from wind wave tide and solar.
Regards

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-06T13:52:23Z

Peter Duncanson <m...@peterduncanson.net> writes
No.
<sigh>
Plenty of trees (for the moment).

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-06T12:42:08Z

On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:59:23 -0000, "Linda Sutherland"
Here in the urban as well as rural parts of Northern Ireland it is
customary for petrol/diesel filling stations to sell coal, logs and peat
for domestic fires. The peat is in the form of peat briquettes (milled
peat compressed at high temperature).

Re: The definitive CO2 thread....

2009-12-06T12:21:24Z

Yes, yes. But do they cook their breakfast on these fires as referred to
by Tim?