It is surprisingly difficult to find the full wording of the oath taken by British vets. I can't be bothered with the puff and nonsense of a sub-profession ripe for a thorough investigation and purge to look further.
I'm quite sure that someone keener on protecting and pandering to this pompous rabble will duly supply the full wording ;o)
However, this seems to be included
"In the UK, the registrant must say, “Inasmuch as the privilege of membership of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons is about to be conferred upon me, I PROMISE AND SOLEMNLY DECLARE that I will abide in all due loyalty to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons and will do all in my power to maintain and promote its interests."
It really summarises an out-of-date trade union operating a closed shop and with self-interest at the heart of all their activities.
Their primary objective seems to be to protect those who break their own rules, especially with regard to the falsification of documents.
That will become the basis of many investigations in the months and years ahead.
> It is surprisingly difficult to find the full wording of the oath > taken by British vets. I can't be bothered with the puff and nonsense > of a sub-profession ripe for a thorough investigation and purge to > look further.
> I'm quite sure that someone keener on protecting and pandering to this > pompous rabble will duly supply the full wording ;o)
> However, this seems to be included
> "In the UK, the registrant must say, “Inasmuch as the privilege of > membership of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons is about to be > conferred upon me, I PROMISE AND SOLEMNLY DECLARE that I will abide in > all due loyalty to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons and will > do all in my power to maintain and promote its interests."
> It really summarises an out-of-date trade union operating a closed > shop and with self-interest at the heart of all their activities.
> Their primary objective seems to be to protect those who break their > own rules, especially with regard to the falsification of documents.
> That will become the basis of many investigations in the months and > years ahead.
I note your selective copying.
The part you quoted goes on:
"I PROMISE ABOVE ALL that I will pursue the work of my profession with uprightness of conduct and that my constant endeavour will be to ensure the welfare of animals committed to my care”.
Note, that section starts: "I PROMISE ABOVE ALL ..." which tends to give priority to what follows which is concerned with "uprightness of conduct" and the welfare of animals.
The quotation continues by discussing the role of the Royal College:
"The College’s role is “promoting and sustaining public confidence in veterinary medicine” and in particular “to safeguard the health and welfare of animals committed to veterinary care....thereby protecting the interests of those dependent on animals and assuring public health,” and “to act as an impartial source of information on animal health and welfare issues and their interaction with human health”"
This tends to suggest that a veterinarian who fully complies with his "above all" promise is also doing all in his power to maintain and promote the interests of the college.
-- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field
What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
> > It is surprisingly difficult to find the full wording of the oath > > taken by British vets. I can't be bothered with the puff and nonsense > > of a sub-profession ripe for a thorough investigation and purge to > > look further.
> > I'm quite sure that someone keener on protecting and pandering to this > > pompous rabble will duly supply the full wording ;o)
> > However, this seems to be included
> > "In the UK, the registrant must say, “Inasmuch as the privilege of > > membership of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons is about to be > > conferred upon me, I PROMISE AND SOLEMNLY DECLARE that I will abide in > > all due loyalty to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons and will > > do all in my power to maintain and promote its interests."
> > It really summarises an out-of-date trade union operating a closed > > shop and with self-interest at the heart of all their activities.
> > Their primary objective seems to be to protect those who break their > > own rules, especially with regard to the falsification of documents.
> > That will become the basis of many investigations in the months and > > years ahead.
> I note your selective copying.
> The part you quoted goes on:
> "I PROMISE ABOVE ALL that I will pursue the work of my profession with > uprightness of conduct and that my constant endeavour will be to ensure > the welfare of animals committed to my care”.
> Note, that section starts: "I PROMISE ABOVE ALL ..." which tends to > give priority to what follows which is concerned with "uprightness of > conduct" and the welfare of animals.
> The quotation continues by discussing the role of the Royal College:
> "The College’s role is “promoting and sustaining public confidence in > veterinary medicine” and in particular “to safeguard the health and > welfare of animals committed to veterinary care....thereby protecting > the interests of those dependent on animals and assuring public health,” > and “to act as an impartial source of information on animal health and > welfare issues and their interaction with human health”"
> This tends to suggest that a veterinarian who fully complies with his > "above all" promise is also doing all in his power to maintain and > promote the interests of the college.
> -- > Old Codger > e-mail use reply to field
> What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make > people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
Dear Old Codger: Good points made. The problem that seems to exist in this country, seems to be the Oath gets turned off on Friday afternoon at 5 p.m. for some strange reason. Then it gets turned back on at 8:00 am on Monday morning. Unfortunately, for the animals and their owners, the clock keeps on turning throughout the weekend. Funny, ain't it? Bacteria and viruses work 24/7.....non-stop. The really "funny" thing about this is that there seems to be some underhanded goings on.....meaning, if a person needs an animal attended to on a weekend, it's deemed an "emergency" complete with additional fees.....exorbitant fees. Mileage charges for a trip in the country far exceed reasonable costs. Then comes the bill.....with no recourse or negotiation. So what do you suggest?
What really burns my bum, is that some idiotic young woman, usually untrained in dealing with the public, can only quote the charges, but trained to get nasty when asked for reasonable explanations for the charges.....downright indignant.
Burkie wrote: > On Nov 8, 1:51 pm, Old Codger <oldcod...@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: >> Pat Gardiner wrote: >>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:44:58 -0800 (PST), Burkie <Burki...@yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>>> http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=UK+Veterinarians+Oath&toggle=1&cop=m... >>> Thanks for that thought. >>> It is surprisingly difficult to find the full wording of the oath >>> taken by British vets. I can't be bothered with the puff and nonsense >>> of a sub-profession ripe for a thorough investigation and purge to >>> look further. >>> I'm quite sure that someone keener on protecting and pandering to this >>> pompous rabble will duly supply the full wording ;o) >>> However, this seems to be included >>> "In the UK, the registrant must say, “Inasmuch as the privilege of >>> membership of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons is about to be >>> conferred upon me, I PROMISE AND SOLEMNLY DECLARE that I will abide in >>> all due loyalty to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons and will >>> do all in my power to maintain and promote its interests." >>> It really summarises an out-of-date trade union operating a closed >>> shop and with self-interest at the heart of all their activities. >>> Their primary objective seems to be to protect those who break their >>> own rules, especially with regard to the falsification of documents. >>> That will become the basis of many investigations in the months and >>> years ahead. >> I note your selective copying.
>> The part you quoted goes on:
>> "I PROMISE ABOVE ALL that I will pursue the work of my profession with >> uprightness of conduct and that my constant endeavour will be to ensure >> the welfare of animals committed to my care”.
>> Note, that section starts: "I PROMISE ABOVE ALL ..." which tends to >> give priority to what follows which is concerned with "uprightness of >> conduct" and the welfare of animals.
>> The quotation continues by discussing the role of the Royal College:
>> "The College’s role is “promoting and sustaining public confidence in >> veterinary medicine” and in particular “to safeguard the health and >> welfare of animals committed to veterinary care....thereby protecting >> the interests of those dependent on animals and assuring public health,” >> and “to act as an impartial source of information on animal health and >> welfare issues and their interaction with human health”"
>> This tends to suggest that a veterinarian who fully complies with his >> "above all" promise is also doing all in his power to maintain and >> promote the interests of the college.
>> -- >> Old Codger >> e-mail use reply to field
>> What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make >> people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
> Dear Old Codger: Good points made. The problem that seems to exist > in this country, seems to be the Oath gets turned off on Friday > afternoon at 5 p.m. for some strange reason. Then it gets turned > back on at 8:00 am on Monday morning. Unfortunately, for the animals > and their owners, the clock keeps on turning throughout the weekend. > Funny, ain't it? Bacteria and viruses work 24/7.....non-stop. The > really "funny" thing about this is that there seems to be some > underhanded goings on.....meaning, if a person needs an animal > attended to on a weekend, it's deemed an "emergency" complete with > additional fees.....exorbitant fees. Mileage charges for a trip in > the country far exceed reasonable costs. Then comes the > bill.....with no recourse or negotiation. So what do you suggest?
> What really burns my bum, is that some idiotic young woman, usually > untrained in dealing with the public, can only quote the charges, but > trained to get nasty when asked for reasonable explanations for the > charges.....downright indignant.
> Thanks for your help.
Not being American I wouldn't know but presume the intention is to ensure that it really is an emergency. Vets are surely allowed some time off. Is it the same for the medical profession?
-- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field
What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
> Burkie wrote: > > On Nov 8, 1:51 pm, Old Codger <oldcod...@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: > >> Pat Gardiner wrote: > >>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:44:58 -0800 (PST), Burkie <Burki...@yahoo.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>>http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=UK+Veterinarians+Oath&toggle=1&cop=m... > >>> Thanks for that thought. > >>> It is surprisingly difficult to find the full wording of the oath > >>> taken by British vets. I can't be bothered with the puff and nonsense > >>> of a sub-profession ripe for a thorough investigation and purge to > >>> look further. > >>> I'm quite sure that someone keener on protecting and pandering to this > >>> pompous rabble will duly supply the full wording ;o) > >>> However, this seems to be included > >>> "In the UK, the registrant must say, “Inasmuch as the privilege of > >>> membership of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons is about to be > >>> conferred upon me, I PROMISE AND SOLEMNLY DECLARE that I will abide in > >>> all due loyalty to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons and will > >>> do all in my power to maintain and promote its interests." > >>> It really summarises an out-of-date trade union operating a closed > >>> shop and with self-interest at the heart of all their activities. > >>> Their primary objective seems to be to protect those who break their > >>> own rules, especially with regard to the falsification of documents. > >>> That will become the basis of many investigations in the months and > >>> years ahead. > >> I note your selective copying.
> >> The part you quoted goes on:
> >> "I PROMISE ABOVE ALL that I will pursue the work of my profession with > >> uprightness of conduct and that my constant endeavour will be to ensure > >> the welfare of animals committed to my care”.
> >> Note, that section starts: "I PROMISE ABOVE ALL ..." which tends to > >> give priority to what follows which is concerned with "uprightness of > >> conduct" and the welfare of animals.
> >> The quotation continues by discussing the role of the Royal College:
> >> "The College’s role is “promoting and sustaining public confidence in > >> veterinary medicine” and in particular “to safeguard the health and > >> welfare of animals committed to veterinary care....thereby protecting > >> the interests of those dependent on animals and assuring public health,” > >> and “to act as an impartial source of information on animal health and > >> welfare issues and their interaction with human health”"
> >> This tends to suggest that a veterinarian who fully complies with his > >> "above all" promise is also doing all in his power to maintain and > >> promote the interests of the college.
> >> -- > >> Old Codger > >> e-mail use reply to field
> >> What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make > >> people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
> > Dear Old Codger: Good points made. The problem that seems to exist > > in this country, seems to be the Oath gets turned off on Friday > > afternoon at 5 p.m. for some strange reason. Then it gets turned > > back on at 8:00 am on Monday morning. Unfortunately, for the animals > > and their owners, the clock keeps on turning throughout the weekend. > > Funny, ain't it? Bacteria and viruses work 24/7.....non-stop. The > > really "funny" thing about this is that there seems to be some > > underhanded goings on.....meaning, if a person needs an animal > > attended to on a weekend, it's deemed an "emergency" complete with > > additional fees.....exorbitant fees. Mileage charges for a trip in > > the country far exceed reasonable costs. Then comes the > > bill.....with no recourse or negotiation. So what do you suggest?
> > What really burns my bum, is that some idiotic young woman, usually > > untrained in dealing with the public, can only quote the charges, but > > trained to get nasty when asked for reasonable explanations for the > > charges.....downright indignant.
> > Thanks for your help.
> Not being American I wouldn't know but presume the intention is to > ensure that it really is an emergency. Vets are surely allowed some > time off. Is it the same for the medical profession?
> -- > Old Codger > e-mail use reply to field
> What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make > people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
Dear Old Codger: I can only attest to what we've experienced recently.....in both fields of veterninary and human medicine, and the so-called "professional services." You are correct, the human side of medicine seems to go defunct on weekends, too. The new "game" in this area is that we're being referred to the local hospital's Emergency Room. Instead of being charged for an office call at the GP's practice, it's an automatic $400.00 bill to enter the E.R. It doesn't have to be an "emergency." They call the same GP, they come from their golf game at the country club, and then charge the patient for their "emergency" services, even if its just a simple act of prescribing antibiotics. Handy method of extorting the public and if you're lucky to have insurance, the insurance companies, too. I'm not sure just how far this has gone, but it certainly is taking place. On the animal side, if you have a horse with a stomach ache, good luck getting any help on a weekend.......you load 'em up and haul them to K-State's Vet Diagnostic facility 40 miles away. We really don't have many old-time large animal veterinarians around here anymore. (But then, there's just a few of us who still have any large animals anymore, too.) It's nothing like it used to be, that's for sure.
Burkie wrote: > We really > don't have many old-time large animal veterinarians around here > anymore. (But then, there's just a few of us who still have any large > animals anymore, too.) It's nothing like it used to be, that's for > sure.
We can still walk into our A&E for free, and get attention. And we can still get a vet at the weekend, they even do regular surgeries.
-- regards Jill Bowis
Jacob Sheep, meat and rugs, Black Rocks hens and Eggs Smallholder Shop : Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Plant nursery Pet, Livestock, and Wild birds feeds http://www.kintaline.co.uk Local Origins Rural Network www.lorn.org.uk
On 2009-11-10, Jill <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
> Burkie wrote: >> We really >> don't have many old-time large animal veterinarians around here >> anymore. (But then, there's just a few of us who still have any large >> animals anymore, too.) It's nothing like it used to be, that's for >> sure.
> We can still walk into our A&E for free, and get attention. > And we can still get a vet at the weekend, they even do regular surgeries.
Talking about surgeries, man was telling me that his friend, and the friends wife, took a taxi to Kennedy Airport NY USA, Accident on the way there, not much damage, but a routine XRay at the A&E, which showed nothing broken, so they had a painkilling injection, and told to go to doctor when they got back to Ireland. Cost? 5,500 dollars.
> Burkie wrote: > > We really > > don't have many old-time large animal veterinarians around here > > anymore. (But then, there's just a few of us who still have any large > > animals anymore, too.) It's nothing like it used to be, that's for > > sure.
> We can still walk into our A&E for free, and get attention. > And we can still get a vet at the weekend, they even do regular surgeries.
> -- > regards > Jill Bowis
> Jacob Sheep, meat and rugs, Black Rocks hens and Eggs > Smallholder Shop : Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts > Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Plant nursery > Pet, Livestock, and Wild birds feedshttp://www.kintaline.co.uk > Local Origins Rural Network www.lorn.org.uk
Dear Jill: You are very fortunate. I'm really glad to hear that. It's no fun to have a critter get sick on Friday night. Fortunately, in most instances, I can usually get my own bag of stuff out and handle most problems, myself. But that's certainly not the case for the majority of folks that own cattle, swine, sheep or horses.....let alone chickens. Years ago, we could go to our local co-op and get vaccine or pen-strep or Procaine Penicillin....as well as many other Over-the-counter antibiotics. That's not possible anymore, as the co-op is closed all weekend, except during peak wheat or fall harvest times.....and now they've quit handling all those things, too. We do have a farm supply store here, and they do supply some items, but Gosh, the cost has gone through the roof. So, basically, that means we purchase what we need from a wholesale, internet company. They've been very good to deal with. This county used to have one of the highest populations of livestock in the State of Kansas. The farmers that lived here, all had some kinds of livestock and there were quite a few fairly large dairies, too. That's no longer the case. It's all gone to arable, cash grain production. There are now only two people I know raising any hogs and only a handful of dairies, and one family that produces any numbers of sheep. It's really pretty sad.
As a true story, we've experienced the loss in our immediate area, of farm dogs by both ourselves and our neighbors, too. We lost one of ours again in August. He managed to get back home to die. We harvested his organs and sent them to K-State for testing. To make a long story short, his organs tested positive for Bromodiolone (Bar Rat Bait), as well as several other rodenticide poisons that aren't even legal to be used in Kansas. We did not have any kind of these poisons at our place.....so we think he was poisoned. We suspect that there is a meth lab near us, and that these products are being used to make meth, then the dogs are used as guinea pigs. So far, that's all we've been able to do......be suspicious. Now we just don't take any chances. Finally, by the way, the cost of all feeds has skyrocketed, especially dog and cat food.
> On 2009-11-10, Jill <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
> > Burkie wrote: > >> We really > >> don't have many old-time large animal veterinarians around here > >> anymore. (But then, there's just a few of us who still have any large > >> animals anymore, too.) It's nothing like it used to be, that's for > >> sure.
> > We can still walk into our A&E for free, and get attention. > > And we can still get a vet at the weekend, they even do regular surgeries.
> Talking about surgeries, man was telling me that his friend, and the > friends wife, took a taxi to Kennedy Airport NY USA, Accident on the > way there, not much damage, but a routine XRay at the A&E, which > showed nothing broken, so they had a painkilling injection, and told > to go to doctor when they got back to Ireland. Cost? 5,500 dollars.
> -- > Greymaus.... > \/\ > \?
Whoa! Mama! Wow.....that's just plain Highway Robbery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> On 2009-11-10, Jill <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
. Cost? 5,500 dollars.
Not on those scale of charges,
A colleague went to Australia for a holiday. Had a few days stop over in Singapore. Fell over at the pool and struck his head. A gash in the scalp and a bit shocked he was set just to go for a lie down. The hotel staff insisted on calling an ambulance and sending him to hospital. Stitches, thorough check over and returned to the hotel by ambulance. The bill was less than the excess on his insurance so he was not going to claim. Got to Australia and went to a doctor to have the stitches removed. Bill was far more than the excess, claim made,
> On 2009-11-10, Jill <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
> Talking about surgeries, man was telling me that his friend, and the
> friends wife, took a taxi to Kennedy Airport NY USA, Accident on the > way there, not much damage, but a routine XRay at the A&E, which > showed nothing broken, so they had a painkilling injection, and told > to go to doctor when they got back to Ireland. Cost? 5,500 dollars.
The reciprocal arrangements with the British Channel Islands and NHS have expired. According to a R4 programme recently UK citizens can expect to pay Ł1000 on entry to emergency.
> > Talking about surgeries, man was telling me that his friend, and the
> > friends wife, took a taxi to Kennedy Airport NY USA, Accident on the > > way there, not much damage, but a routine XRay at the A&E, which > > showed nothing broken, so they had a painkilling injection, and told > > to go to doctor when they got back to Ireland. Cost? 5,500 dollars.
> The reciprocal arrangements with the British Channel Islands and NHS have > expired. > According to a R4 programme recently UK citizens can expect to pay Ł1000 on > entry > to emergency.
Well, just as a bit of warning, from the looks of things on today's Telegraph, we're all going to be in more trouble, too.
Now all your Great and Good Guys are going to start monitoring all our posts, phone calls, e-mails and website visits!
Woohoo!
The wireless phone companies are all changing their policies, and your EU crowd wants all data on Livestock sent to central databases for monitoring.
This is all getting to be a little much for this poor old sod to handle.
> Dear Old Codger: I can only attest to what we've experienced > recently.....in both fields of veterninary and human medicine, and the > so-called "professional services." You are correct, the human side > of medicine seems to go defunct on weekends, too. The new "game" in > this area is that we're being referred to the local hospital's > Emergency Room. Instead of being charged for an office call at the > GP's practice, it's an automatic $400.00 bill to enter the E.R. It > doesn't have to be an "emergency." They call the same GP, they come > from their golf game at the country club, and then charge the patient > for their "emergency" services, even if its just a simple act of > prescribing antibiotics. Handy method of extorting the public and if > you're lucky to have insurance, the insurance companies, too. I'm > not sure just how far this has gone, but it certainly is taking > place.
Some years ago our government, in their infinite wisdom, gave GPs a new contract. To persuade them to accept this contract they offered a (relatively) large salary increase. They also offered to remove the out of hours commitment from GPs for 6% of the new salary (government thought they could provide that service cheaper - Ha Ha). Commercially a no brainer for GPs, they jumped at it. The OOH service, nights (1800 to 0800) and weekends, is now provided by the local NHS trust (area health management organisation) usually from some central point for the area. The doctors are not ordinary GPs, unless they are moonlighting, but are provided by private organisations that bid for the service. There are many complaints of waiting hours for a doctor to call, or sometimes just for a telephone call back, and, in the East of England, one death from a lethal injection by a German doctor who had flown in just to provide the weekend service. There are many reports of folk giving up and dialling 999 (emergency) for an ambulance (and entry into A & E).
My own limited experience is not that bad but ... Following an operation I was in considerable discomfort one Sunday so telephoned to ask for a home visit. The call taker correctly (as it turned out but it was the most obvious) diagnosed the problem, said I should be treated with some urgency but she could not get a doctor to me for many hours so pressured me to attend the OOH surgery at the hospital. I could be dropped at the door, I could ask to be taken to the surgery in a wheelchair, etc. Eventually I agreed and my daughter joined us. We made the half hour journey to the hospital and my wife dropped me, with my Daughter, at the door. Good job, no sign of either wheel chairs or anyone to push them. Once in the appropriate waiting room I was seen almost immediately, as promised, even though there were many waiting. The doctor gave me a prescription for antibiotics (which did the job in time) and I then had to find the duty chemist store (could not use the hospital pharmacy as it was not a hospital service, they just provided the space). No charges as we have the "great" NHS and, as I am an old git, no charge for the drugs either. Under the previous system I would almost certainly have been visited within an hour by a doctor from my own surgery, in the unlikely event that he wished me to attend the surgery this is only a few minutes drive and I would have been met at the door by someone, probably the doctor. Unless he brought the right drugs my wife might still have had to find a chemist but the doctor would have told us which local one was open.
> On the animal side, if you have a horse with a stomach ache, good luck getting any help on a weekend.......you load 'em up and haul > them to K-State's Vet Diagnostic facility 40 miles away. We really > don't have many old-time large animal veterinarians around here > anymore. (But then, there's just a few of us who still have any large > animals anymore, too.)
The market at work, insufficient demand to make it economical for the vets so they go elsewhere. I think there are still agricultural vets within a reasonable distance of here who would come out when called at any time, but at a price.
> It's nothing like it used to be, that's for sure.
Indeed, and I can't see it getting better, even with Dave's lot.
-- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field
What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
> giving up and dialling 999 (emergency) for an ambulance (and entry into A > & E).
A retired Dr friend of mine said she found it worse than when her practice did the over night cover themselves.
The service they used tended to tell callers , take an aspirin and call back at 8 if you do not feel any better. This meant that there was a peak at 8am requiring all the practice Doctors to be available. Which for her gave child care issues. Prior to that she knew when she was on duty and could arrange cover and see patients immediately not as an emergency rush at the start of the day, every day.
<oldcod...@anyoldwhere.net> wrote: >I then had to find the duty chemist store (could not use the >hospital pharmacy as it was not a hospital service, they just provided >the space).
I once had to find a duty chemist (pharmacy) for an acquaintance. I phoned the number for the out-of-hours doctors and asked the operator if she could help. She had a list of duty chemists and told me the nearest one.
-- Peter Duncanson, UK (in uk.business.agriculture)
> phoned the number for the out-of-hours doctors and asked the operator if > she could help. She had a list of duty chemists and told me the nearest > one.
In message <7lt2sqF3f7bv...@mid.individual.net>, Jill <n...@NOSPAMkintaline.co.uk> writes
>Burkie wrote: >> We really >> don't have many old-time large animal veterinarians around here >> anymore. (But then, there's just a few of us who still have any large >> animals anymore, too.) It's nothing like it used to be, that's for >> sure.
>We can still walk into our A&E for free, and get attention. And we can >still get a vet at the weekend, they even do regular surgeries.
Yes. So do mine on Saturdays, and they also do an evening surgery Mon-Fri. If a small pet needs urgent treatment out of surgery hours they much prefer to see it at the surgery because that's where all the equipment and so on is.
I've only twice needed to see a doctor as an emergency. The first time I was taken to hospital under blue flashing lights, though it happened to be in the early afternoon. The second I went to the surgery at 8am and by 9am was back home packing a bag while I waited for the ambulance.
>> > Talking about surgeries, man was telling me that his friend, and the
>>> friends wife, took a taxi to Kennedy Airport NY USA, Accident on the >>> way there, not much damage, but a routine XRay at the A&E, which >>> showed nothing broken, so they had a painkilling injection, and told >>> to go to doctor when they got back to Ireland. Cost? 5,500 dollars. >> The reciprocal arrangements with the British Channel Islands and NHS have >> expired. >> According to a R4 programme recently UK citizens can expect to pay Ł1000 on >> entry >> to emergency.
> Well, just as a bit of warning, from the looks of things on today's > Telegraph, we're all going to be in more trouble, too.
> Now all your Great and Good Guys are going to start monitoring all our > posts, phone calls, e-mails and website visits!
I wouldn't call them "great and good"
> Woohoo!
Hopefully Dave will select that as one of his economies. Hopefully!
> The wireless phone companies are all changing their policies, and your > EU crowd wants all data on Livestock sent to central databases for > monitoring.
Which is just one reason for telling the EU where to go.
> This is all getting to be a little much for this poor old sod to > handle.
Indeed.
> Take care.....Burkie
-- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field
What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
Peter Duncanson wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:26:17 +0000, Old Codger > <oldcod...@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>> I then had to find the duty chemist store (could not use the >> hospital pharmacy as it was not a hospital service, they just provided >> the space).
> I once had to find a duty chemist (pharmacy) for an acquaintance. I > phoned the number for the out-of-hours doctors and asked the operator if > she could help. She had a list of duty chemists and told me the nearest > one.
The OOH doctor didn't know but said "ask the hospital pharmacy" who did.
-- Old Codger e-mail use reply to field
What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
>"Peter Duncanson" <m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote in message >news:ktgjf517fh294ovd94qu1ov29o50ue54o2@4ax.com... > > I once had to find a duty chemist (pharmacy) for an acquaintance. I >> phoned the number for the out-of-hours doctors and asked the operator if >> she could help. She had a list of duty chemists and told me the nearest >> one.
Jill wrote: > Burkie wrote: >> We really >> don't have many old-time large animal veterinarians around here >> anymore. (But then, there's just a few of us who still have any large >> animals anymore, too.) It's nothing like it used to be, that's for >> sure.
> We can still walk into our A&E for free, and get attention. And we can > still get a vet at the weekend, they even do regular surgeries.
Same here. Have very good vets who will come out in the middle of the night as well. Had to call mine out to a foaling at 2am and he did an excellent job.
On 2009-11-10, lynz <l...@exxtra.co.invalid> wrote:
> Jill wrote: >> Burkie wrote:
>> We can still walk into our A&E for free, and get attention. And we can >> still get a vet at the weekend, they even do regular surgeries.
> Same here. Have very good vets who will come out in the middle of the > night as well. Had to call mine out to a foaling at 2am and he did an > excellent job.
Same here, but they all are human and fallible. Never be afraid to ask for a second opinion.
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