> This it the full article:

> 13:09 GMT, Friday, 16 October 2009 14:09 UK

> Dutch MP hails UK visit 'victory'

> Wilders: ''I have nothing against Muslims''

> Controversial Dutch MP Geert Wilders has hailed his arrival in the UK
> as a "victory for freedom of speech".

> He told a packed press conference in Westminster he was "proud of the
> UK asylum and immigration tribunal" for overturning the ban.
> And he repeated his criticism of Muslim ideology and defended his call
> for the Koran to be banned in Holland.
> His press conference was moved inside amid angry scenes, with
> demonstrators chanting "Wilders go to hell".
> About 40 Muslim protesters gathered outside the Abbey Gardens
> buildings, opposite the Houses of Parliament, where the hastily
> rearranged press conference was held.
> Held back by a police line, and surrounded by camera crews from around
> the world, they chanted slogans such as "Sharia for the UK" and
> "Freedom go to hell" and held up placards saying: "Sharia for the
> Netherlands" and "Islam will be superior".

> ''Defend freedom'
> One protester, Sayful Islam, said they wanted to see Mr Wilders "tried
> in an Islamic court" for "insulting the Prophet", adding: "We need to
> put this dog on a leash".
> He described Mr Wilders as "the open voice of democracy" and claimed
> the Dutch MP's views were shared by "every government in Europe".

> I feel that the more Islam that we get in our societies the less
> freedom that we get
> Geert Wilders
> Freedom Party

> Mr Wilders said he was not setting out to insult Muslims - the
> majority of whom were "law-abiding" - but he defended his right to
> criticise the actions of a minority who he said posed a threat to
> society.
> "My aim is not to insult anyone but it is to defend freedom," he said.
> Asked about the protests that greeted his arrival in Westminster, he
> said: "I am very proud that people - even if they totally disagree
> with me - can use their democratic right to protest."
> Explaining his views on Islam, he said: "I have a problem with the
> Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture, because I feel that the more
> Islam that we get in our societies the less freedom that we get."
> He denied his abortive attempt in the Dutch Parliament to get the
> Koran banned flew in the face of his commitment to free speech.
> "Even in the United States, where they have a first amendment, there
> is one red line, which is the incitement of violence and this was
> exactly my point," he told reporters.
> He also denied responsibility for the publicity which has greeted his
> visit, saying: "If anybody has responsibility for this publicity it is
> the UK government and the home secretary and not Geert Wilders."
> Mr Wilders, who faces trial at home for inciting hatred, was allowed
> into the UK after a ban on him was lifted.
> The Freedom Party leader was turned away from the UK in February on
> the grounds that his allegedly anti-Islamic views posed a threat to
> public security but that decision was overturned earlier this week.
> Although agreeing not to challenge the decision, the Home Office has
> said Mr Wilders' comments will be closely watched by the authorities.
> Mr Wilders was invited to the UK by UK Independence Party peer Lord
> Pearson.
> Asked whether he too wanted to ban the Koran, he said: "I disagree
> with Geert in fact, who has said that if Mein Kampf is banned in
> Holland, then so the Koran should be banned. I don't agree with that
> at all.
> "I want the Koran discussed very much more and I want it particularly
> discussed by the 98% or whatever it is of the Muslim community who are
> mild, peace-loving people.
> "But what I want them to do is to get up off their bottoms and take on
> their violent co-religionists who do base these acts of evil on the
> Koran."
> 'Inter-faith violence'
> When he tried to visit the UK in February, Mr Wilders was back by
> immigration officials at Heathrow airport on the grounds that his
> views could stir up "inter-faith violence".

> GEERT WILDERS
> Nicknamed "Mozart" because of his mane of platinum blond hair
> Voted politician of the year in 2007 by the Dutch political press,
> Lives under police protection because of death threats
> Wants the Koran and the full-length garment, the burka, to be banned

> Profile: Geert Wilders
> However, on Tuesday the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal ruled there
> was no evidence to suggest he represented a real and serious threat to
> the "fundamental interest" of society.
> The judges said that even if there had been evidence, it would still
> have been wrong to turn him away because in the event of any trouble
> the police would have been able to deal with it.
> The Home Office said Mr Wilders' statements and behaviour during his
> visit "will inevitably impact on any future decisions to admit him".
> Officials say his case differs from that of a larger number of
> individuals - including Islamic extremists and white supremacists -
> who are on a list of people excluded from Britain for "unacceptable
> behaviour".
> The power to impose such exclusions was introduced in 2005, following
> the London bombings, and applies predominantly to non-EU nationals who
> would seek to "foster hatred or promote terrorism".

> Darn it, the photo did not transmit. Don't know why.

> On 16 Oct, 19:27, mbplee <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Oct 2009, at 19:21, elle wrote:

>> This was the demonstration that greeter Wilders with placards of  
>> Islam
>> will Dominate the world, We will rule, Islam is Superior, and what  
>> you
>> can see. What would have been the reaction if these placards were
>> hoisted in New York, or Chicago, or San Francisco? Tell me  your
>> reaction.

>>> This it the full article:

>>> 13:09 GMT, Friday, 16 October 2009 14:09 UK

>>> Dutch MP hails UK visit 'victory'

>>> Wilders: ''I have nothing against Muslims''

>>> Controversial Dutch MP Geert Wilders has hailed his arrival in the  
>>> UK
>>> as a "victory for freedom of speech".

>>> He told a packed press conference in Westminster he was "proud of  
>>> the
>>> UK asylum and immigration tribunal" for overturning the ban.
>>> And he repeated his criticism of Muslim ideology and defended his  
>>> call
>>> for the Koran to be banned in Holland.
>>> His press conference was moved inside amid angry scenes, with
>>> demonstrators chanting "Wilders go to hell".
>>> About 40 Muslim protesters gathered outside the Abbey Gardens
>>> buildings, opposite the Houses of Parliament, where the hastily
>>> rearranged press conference was held.
>>> Held back by a police line, and surrounded by camera crews from  
>>> around
>>> the world, they chanted slogans such as "Sharia for the UK" and
>>> "Freedom go to hell" and held up placards saying: "Sharia for the
>>> Netherlands" and "Islam will be superior".

>>> ''Defend freedom'
>>> One protester, Sayful Islam, said they wanted to see Mr Wilders  
>>> "tried
>>> in an Islamic court" for "insulting the Prophet", adding: "We need  
>>> to
>>> put this dog on a leash".
>>> He described Mr Wilders as "the open voice of democracy" and claimed
>>> the Dutch MP's views were shared by "every government in Europe".

>>> I feel that the more Islam that we get in our societies the less
>>> freedom that we get
>>> Geert Wilders
>>> Freedom Party

>>> Mr Wilders said he was not setting out to insult Muslims - the
>>> majority of whom were "law-abiding" - but he defended his right to
>>> criticise the actions of a minority who he said posed a threat to
>>> society.
>>> "My aim is not to insult anyone but it is to defend freedom," he  
>>> said.
>>> Asked about the protests that greeted his arrival in Westminster, he
>>> said: "I am very proud that people - even if they totally disagree
>>> with me - can use their democratic right to protest."
>>> Explaining his views on Islam, he said: "I have a problem with the
>>> Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture, because I feel that the more
>>> Islam that we get in our societies the less freedom that we get."
>>> He denied his abortive attempt in the Dutch Parliament to get the
>>> Koran banned flew in the face of his commitment to free speech.
>>> "Even in the United States, where they have a first amendment, there
>>> is one red line, which is the incitement of violence and this was
>>> exactly my point," he told reporters.
>>> He also denied responsibility for the publicity which has greeted  
>>> his
>>> visit, saying: "If anybody has responsibility for this publicity  
>>> it is
>>> the UK government and the home secretary and not Geert Wilders."
>>> Mr Wilders, who faces trial at home for inciting hatred, was allowed
>>> into the UK after a ban on him was lifted.
>>> The Freedom Party leader was turned away from the UK in February on
>>> the grounds that his allegedly anti-Islamic views posed a threat to
>>> public security but that decision was overturned earlier this week.
>>> Although agreeing not to challenge the decision, the Home Office has
>>> said Mr Wilders' comments will be closely watched by the  
>>> authorities.
>>> Mr Wilders was invited to the UK by UK Independence Party peer Lord
>>> Pearson.
>>> Asked whether he too wanted to ban the Koran, he said: "I disagree
>>> with Geert in fact, who has said that if Mein Kampf is banned in
>>> Holland, then so the Koran should be banned. I don't agree with that
>>> at all.
>>> "I want the Koran discussed very much more and I want it  
>>> particularly
>>> discussed by the 98% or whatever it is of the Muslim community who  
>>> are
>>> mild, peace-loving people.
>>> "But what I want them to do is to get up off their bottoms and  
>>> take on
>>> their violent co-religionists who do base these acts of evil on the
>>> Koran."
>>> 'Inter-faith violence'
>>> When he tried to visit the UK in February, Mr Wilders was back by
>>> immigration officials at Heathrow airport on the grounds that his
>>> views could stir up "inter-faith violence".

>>> GEERT WILDERS
>>> Nicknamed "Mozart" because of his mane of platinum blond hair
>>> Voted politician of the year in 2007 by the Dutch political press,
>>> Lives under police protection because of death threats
>>> Wants the Koran and the full-length garment, the burka, to be banned

>>> Profile: Geert Wilders
>>> However, on Tuesday the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal ruled there
>>> was no evidence to suggest he represented a real and serious  
>>> threat to
>>> the "fundamental interest" of society.
>>> The judges said that even if there had been evidence, it would still
>>> have been wrong to turn him away because in the event of any trouble
>>> the police would have been able to deal with it.
>>> The Home Office said Mr Wilders' statements and behaviour during his
>>> visit "will inevitably impact on any future decisions to admit him".
>>> Officials say his case differs from that of a larger number of
>>> individuals - including Islamic extremists and white supremacists -
>>> who are on a list of people excluded from Britain for "unacceptable
>>> behaviour".
>>> The power to impose such exclusions was introduced in 2005,  
>>> following
>>> the London bombings, and applies predominantly to non-EU nationals  
>>> who
>>> would seek to "foster hatred or promote terrorism".

> Darn it, the photo did not transmit. Don't know why.

> On 16 Oct, 19:27, mbplee <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Oct 2009, at 19:21, elle wrote:

>> This was the demonstration that greeter Wilders with placards of  
>> Islam
>> will Dominate the world, We will rule, Islam is Superior, and what  
>> you
>> can see. What would have been the reaction if these placards were
>> hoisted in New York, or Chicago, or San Francisco? Tell me  your
>> reaction.

>>> This it the full article:

>>> 13:09 GMT, Friday, 16 October 2009 14:09 UK

>>> Dutch MP hails UK visit 'victory'

>>> Wilders: ''I have nothing against Muslims''

>>> Controversial Dutch MP Geert Wilders has hailed his arrival in the  
>>> UK
>>> as a "victory for freedom of speech".

>>> He told a packed press conference in Westminster he was "proud of  
>>> the
>>> UK asylum and immigration tribunal" for overturning the ban.
>>> And he repeated his criticism of Muslim ideology and defended his  
>>> call
>>> for the Koran to be banned in Holland.
>>> His press conference was moved inside amid angry scenes, with
>>> demonstrators chanting "Wilders go to hell".
>>> About 40 Muslim protesters gathered outside the Abbey Gardens
>>> buildings, opposite the Houses of Parliament, where the hastily
>>> rearranged press conference was held.
>>> Held back by a police line, and surrounded by camera crews from  
>>> around
>>> the world, they chanted slogans such as "Sharia for the UK" and
>>> "Freedom go to hell" and held up placards saying: "Sharia for the
>>> Netherlands" and "Islam will be superior".

>>> ''Defend freedom'
>>> One protester, Sayful Islam, said they wanted to see Mr Wilders  
>>> "tried
>>> in an Islamic court" for "insulting the Prophet", adding: "We need  
>>> to
>>> put this dog on a leash".
>>> He described Mr Wilders as "the open voice of democracy" and claimed
>>> the Dutch MP's views were shared by "every government in Europe".

>>> I feel that the more Islam that we get in our societies the less
>>> freedom that we get
>>> Geert Wilders
>>> Freedom Party

>>> Mr Wilders said he was not setting out to insult Muslims - the
>>> majority of whom were "law-abiding" - but he defended his right to
>>> criticise the actions of a minority who he said posed a threat to
>>> society.
>>> "My aim is not to insult anyone but it is to defend freedom," he  
>>> said.
>>> Asked about the protests that greeted his arrival in Westminster, he
>>> said: "I am very proud that people - even if they totally disagree
>>> with me - can use their democratic right to protest."
>>> Explaining his views on Islam, he said: "I have a problem with the
>>> Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture, because I feel that the more
>>> Islam that we get in our societies the less freedom that we get."
>>> He denied his abortive attempt in the Dutch Parliament to get the
>>> Koran banned flew in the face of his commitment to free speech.
>>> "Even in the United States, where they have a first amendment, there
>>> is one red line, which is the incitement of violence and this was
>>> exactly my point," he told reporters.
>>> He also denied responsibility for the publicity which has greeted  
>>> his
>>> visit, saying: "If anybody has responsibility for this publicity  
>>> it is
>>> the UK government and the home secretary and not Geert Wilders."
>>> Mr Wilders, who faces trial at home for inciting hatred, was allowed
>>> into the UK after a ban on him was lifted.
>>> The Freedom Party leader was turned away from the UK in February on
>>> the grounds that his allegedly anti-Islamic views posed a threat to
>>> public security but that decision was overturned earlier this week.
>>> Although agreeing not to challenge the decision, the Home Office has
>>> said Mr Wilders' comments will be closely watched by the  
>>> authorities.
>>> Mr Wilders was invited to the UK by UK Independence Party peer Lord
>>> Pearson.
>>> Asked whether he too wanted to ban the Koran, he said: "I disagree
>>> with Geert in fact, who has said that if Mein Kampf is banned in
>>> Holland, then so the Koran should be banned. I don't agree with that
>>> at all.
>>> "I want the Koran discussed very much more and I want it  
>>> particularly
>>> discussed by the 98% or whatever it is of the Muslim community who  
>>> are
>>> mild, peace-loving people.
>>> "But what I want them to do is to get up off their bottoms and  
>>> take on
>>> their violent co-religionists who do base these acts of evil on the
>>> Koran."
>>> 'Inter-faith violence'
>>> When he tried to visit the UK in February, Mr Wilders was back by
>>> immigration officials at Heathrow airport on the grounds that his
>>> views could stir up "inter-faith violence".

>>> GEERT WILDERS
>>> Nicknamed "Mozart" because of his mane of platinum blond hair
>>> Voted politician of the year in 2007 by the Dutch political press,
>>> Lives under police protection because of death threats
>>> Wants the Koran and the full-length garment, the burka, to be banned

>>> Profile: Geert Wilders
>>> However, on Tuesday the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal ruled there
>>> was no evidence to suggest he represented a real and serious  
>>> threat to
>>> the "fundamental interest" of society.
>>> The judges said that even if there had been evidence, it would still
>>> have been wrong to turn him away because in the event of any trouble
>>> the police would have been able to deal with it.
>>> The Home Office said Mr Wilders' statements and behaviour during his
>>> visit "will inevitably impact on any future decisions to admit him".
>>> Officials say his case differs from that of a larger number of
>>> individuals - including Islamic extremists and white supremacists -
>>> who are on a list of people excluded from Britain for "unacceptable
>>> behaviour".
>>> The power to impose such exclusions was introduced in 2005,  
>>> following
>>> the London bombings, and applies predominantly to non-EU nationals  
>>> who
>>> would seek to "foster hatred or promote terrorism".

> Testing (1)

> On 16 Oct, 21:15, mbplee <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Oct 2009, at 19:28, elle wrote:

>>> Darn it, the photo did not transmit. Don't know why.

>>> On 16 Oct, 19:27, mbplee <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 16 Oct 2009, at 19:21, elle wrote:

>>>> This was the demonstration that greeter Wilders with placards of
>>>> Islam
>>>> will Dominate the world, We will rule, Islam is Superior, and what
>>>> you
>>>> can see. What would have been the reaction if these placards were
>>>> hoisted in New York, or Chicago, or San Francisco? Tell me  your
>>>> reaction.

>>>>> This it the full article:

>>>>> 13:09 GMT, Friday, 16 October 2009 14:09 UK

>>>>> Dutch MP hails UK visit 'victory'

>>>>> Wilders: ''I have nothing against Muslims''

>>>>> Controversial Dutch MP Geert Wilders has hailed his arrival in the
>>>>> UK
>>>>> as a "victory for freedom of speech".

>>>>> He told a packed press conference in Westminster he was "proud of
>>>>> the
>>>>> UK asylum and immigration tribunal" for overturning the ban.
>>>>> And he repeated his criticism of Muslim ideology and defended his
>>>>> call
>>>>> for the Koran to be banned in Holland.
>>>>> His press conference was moved inside amid angry scenes, with
>>>>> demonstrators chanting "Wilders go to hell".
>>>>> About 40 Muslim protesters gathered outside the Abbey Gardens
>>>>> buildings, opposite the Houses of Parliament, where the hastily
>>>>> rearranged press conference was held.
>>>>> Held back by a police line, and surrounded by camera crews from
>>>>> around
>>>>> the world, they chanted slogans such as "Sharia for the UK" and
>>>>> "Freedom go to hell" and held up placards saying: "Sharia for the
>>>>> Netherlands" and "Islam will be superior".

>>>>> ''Defend freedom'
>>>>> One protester, Sayful Islam, said they wanted to see Mr Wilders
>>>>> "tried
>>>>> in an Islamic court" for "insulting the Prophet", adding: "We need
>>>>> to
>>>>> put this dog on a leash".
>>>>> He described Mr Wilders as "the open voice of democracy" and  
>>>>> claimed
>>>>> the Dutch MP's views were shared by "every government in Europe".

>>>>> I feel that the more Islam that we get in our societies the less
>>>>> freedom that we get
>>>>> Geert Wilders
>>>>> Freedom Party

>>>>> Mr Wilders said he was not setting out to insult Muslims - the
>>>>> majority of whom were "law-abiding" - but he defended his right to
>>>>> criticise the actions of a minority who he said posed a threat to
>>>>> society.
>>>>> "My aim is not to insult anyone but it is to defend freedom," he
>>>>> said.
>>>>> Asked about the protests that greeted his arrival in  
>>>>> Westminster, he
>>>>> said: "I am very proud that people - even if they totally disagree
>>>>> with me - can use their democratic right to protest."
>>>>> Explaining his views on Islam, he said: "I have a problem with the
>>>>> Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture, because I feel that the  
>>>>> more
>>>>> Islam that we get in our societies the less freedom that we get."
>>>>> He denied his abortive attempt in the Dutch Parliament to get the
>>>>> Koran banned flew in the face of his commitment to free speech.
>>>>> "Even in the United States, where they have a first amendment,  
>>>>> there
>>>>> is one red line, which is the incitement of violence and this was
>>>>> exactly my point," he told reporters.
>>>>> He also denied responsibility for the publicity which has greeted
>>>>> his
>>>>> visit, saying: "If anybody has responsibility for this publicity
>>>>> it is
>>>>> the UK government and the home secretary and not Geert Wilders."
>>>>> Mr Wilders, who faces trial at home for inciting hatred, was  
>>>>> allowed
>>>>> into the UK after a ban on him was lifted.
>>>>> The Freedom Party leader was turned away from the UK in February  
>>>>> on
>>>>> the grounds that his allegedly anti-Islamic views posed a threat  
>>>>> to
>>>>> public security but that decision was overturned earlier this  
>>>>> week.
>>>>> Although agreeing not to challenge the decision, the Home Office  
>>>>> has
>>>>> said Mr Wilders' comments will be closely watched by the
>>>>> authorities.
>>>>> Mr Wilders was invited to the UK by UK Independence Party peer  
>>>>> Lord
>>>>> Pearson.
>>>>> Asked whether he too wanted to ban the Koran, he said: "I disagree
>>>>> with Geert in fact, who has said that if Mein Kampf is banned in
>>>>> Holland, then so the Koran should be banned. I don't agree with  
>>>>> that
>>>>> at all.
>>>>> "I want the Koran discussed very much more and I want it
>>>>> particularly
>>>>> discussed by the 98% or whatever it is of the Muslim community who
>>>>> are
>>>>> mild, peace-loving people.
>>>>> "But what I want them to do is to get up off their bottoms and
>>>>> take on
>>>>> their violent co-religionists who do base these acts of evil on  
>>>>> the
>>>>> Koran."
>>>>> 'Inter-faith violence'
>>>>> When he tried to visit the UK in February, Mr Wilders was back by
>>>>> immigration officials at Heathrow airport on the grounds that his
>>>>> views could stir up "inter-faith violence".

>>>>> GEERT WILDERS
>>>>> Nicknamed "Mozart" because of his mane of platinum blond hair
>>>>> Voted politician of the year in 2007 by the Dutch political press,
>>>>> Lives under police protection because of death threats
>>>>> Wants the Koran and the full-length garment, the burka, to be  
>>>>> banned

>>>>> Profile: Geert Wilders
>>>>> However, on Tuesday the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal ruled  
>>>>> there
>>>>> was no evidence to suggest he represented a real and serious
>>>>> threat to
>>>>> the "fundamental interest" of society.
>>>>> The judges said that even if there had been evidence, it would  
>>>>> still
>>>>> have been wrong to turn him away because in the event of any  
>>>>> trouble
>>>>> the police would have been able to deal with it.
>>>>> The Home Office said Mr Wilders' statements and behaviour during  
>>>>> his
>>>>> visit "will inevitably impact on any future decisions to admit  
>>>>> him".
>>>>> Officials say his case differs from that of a larger number of
>>>>> individuals - including Islamic extremists and white  
>>>>> supremacists -
>>>>> who are on a list of people excluded from Britain for  
>>>>> "unacceptable
>>>>> behaviour".
>>>>> The power to impose such exclusions was introduced in 2005,
>>>>> following
>>>>> the London bombings, and applies predominantly to non-EU nationals
>>>>> who
>>>>> would seek to "foster hatred or promote terrorism".

> Kay, why does it not appear on my post if you can see it, I presume in
> you email?

> On 16 Oct, 22:25, Kay <kaykay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Darn it, the photo did not transmit. Don't know why.

>> I can see the photo.

>>  protest.jpg
>> 122KViewDownload

> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Kay <kaykay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And I see it again in email.

> For the group to see it you have to send it as an attached file.
> (which is what I did earlier)

> You'd probably have to left click

> - - - OOPS - -

> I meant right click.
> sorry

> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM, mbplee <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Kay, I did download it first to my Desktop screen and then  
> posted it as an attachment to the blog site. That is why you  
> received it and could see it but the photo does not show on the post  
> itself. I cannot work it out. Maybe something has been corrupted on  
> my computer? But they you received it in the email. I can be so  
> stupid. Any other suggestions will be appreciated.
> I didn't come as an attachment into the email - - it's just there!

> Here is a screen shot :

> <screenshot.jpg>

> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:45 PM, mbplee <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Kay, I did download it first to my Desktop screen and then  
> posted it as an attachment to the blog site. That is why you  
> received it and could see it but the photo does not show on the post  
> itself. I cannot work it out. Maybe something has been corrupted on  
> my computer? But they you received it in the email. I can be so  
> stupid. Any other suggestions will be appreciated.
> I didn't come as an attachment into the email - - it's just there!

> Here is a screen shot :

> <screenshot.jpg>