> Did you know about this shootout in America? Was it publicised? But I
> see that Jihadism will spread in America and could well be a bigger
> problem there than in Europe. What are your views?

> "A battle in the war against radical Islam in Detroit was briefly
> waged on October 28 when the FBI engaged in a deadly shootout with an
> extremist imam refusing to be arrested. The imam was a leader in
> “Ummah,” meaning “the brotherhood,” a group said to consist of mostly
> African-Americans, many of whom converted in prison. This group isn’t
> the only one trying to create an Islamic state within the borders of
> the U.S., and this shoot-out should be expected, unfortunately, to be
> a sign of more violent conflict coming down the line in this country
> with Islamic militant groups.

> The gunfire began when the FBI tried to arrest Imam Luqman Ameen
> Abdullah, whose original name was Christopher Thomas, for his
> involvement in a crime ring along with followers of his. Abdullah
> violently resisted, and managed to shoot and kill one of the FBI’s
> dogs before falling to gunfire. The spiritual leader of Ummah is Jamil
> Abdullah al-Amin, a former Black Panther who is in jail for killing
> two police officers in Georgia that tried to arrest him. To Abdullah,
> he was just following in his leader’s footsteps and carrying out the
> “offensive jihad” against the U.S. government he had long preached
> about.

> The government also indicted 11 of Abdullah’s followers on charges
> including illegal possession and sale of firearms, conspiracy and
> theft of interstate shipments, mail fraud to obtain the proceeds of
> arson, and tampering with vehicle identification numbers. Some fled to
> Canada, including Abdullah’s oldest son, who was arrested in Ontario.
> His son trained about 60 youth in martial arts at the mosque and was
> part of what was called the “Sura team,” a group that carried guns to
> protect the mosque.

> Martial arts instruction isn’t the only form of paramilitary training
> that Ummah gave its members. The FBI affidavit said that “many” of the
> followers were armed and were encouraged to have guns. Some of the
> members were provided with firearms training.

> The group is very similar to Jamaat ul-Fuqra, a group led by Sheikh
> Mubarak Ali Gilani, a radical cleric based in Pakistan. The group has
> a branch in North America called “Muslims of the Americas” with dozens
> of sites and several closed-off communities in rural areas used as
> paramilitary training sites, some as large as 70 acres. Like Ummah,
> the group is almost entirely African-American, has many prison
> converts, many of its members engage in criminal activity, and is
> actively trying to create miniature Islamic states inside the U.S.

> Jamaat ul-Fuqra seems to share everything in common with Ummah,
> although no reports have come out to show that Muslims of America-
> affiliated mosques and communities are explicitly calling for war
> against the U.S. government. However, few, if any reports came out
> before the Detroit shootout about the Ummah’s preaching of jihad,
> either. The close parallels warrant an investigation by the FBI into
> whether Ummah has ties to Jamaat ul-Fuqra, given their common
> objective, type of recruits, and desire for their followers to receive
> guerilla warfare training. “Muslims of America” compounds would seem
> to be the natural destination of Ummah members seeking such
> instruction and camaraderie.

> There is no evidence out of a link yet, but at this early stage in the
> investigation into Ummah it should be noticed that Jamaat ul-Fuqra has
> an isolated community in Combermere in Ontario, Canada, the same
> province where Abdullah’s oldest son was arrested. And according to a
> federally-funded 2004 report by the National White Collar Crime
> Center, Jamaat ul-Fuqra had a training compound in Coldwater, M.I.,
> about two hours from Detroit at the time of the report’s publication.
> The report also described Jamaat ul-Fuqra as having had “activity” in
> Detroit including murders and bombings, and having had operations
> elsewhere in the state.

> The Ummah has also had friends in the Council on American-Islamic
> Relations, the prominent Muslim advocacy group that claims to be
> moderate but was formed originally as part of Muslim Brotherhood’s
> networks. The organization was also listed as an un-indicted co-
> conspirator in the trial of the Holy Land Foundation, a charity found
> to have acted as a covert fundraiser for Hamas.

> The American-Muslim Taskforce, an umbrella organization counts CAIR
> among its members, is demanding an investigation into the killing of
> Abdullah. One thousand people attended his funeral. The head of CAIR’s
> branch in Michigan, Dawud Walid, has also gone to bat for Abdullah,
> saying he was “chartiable.”

> “He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup
> kitchen and feed indigent people…I knew nothing of him that as related
> to any nefarious or criminal behavior,” he said.

> Internal CAIR documents show that CAIR helped fundraise for the legal
> appeal of Jamil Abdullah al-Amin. Imam Abdullah’s rage against the
> U.S. government was also triggered in part by CAIR’s campaign to paint
> the War on Terror as a War on Islam. The complaint against him quotes
> him as saying, “CAIR and everybody send me all of this stuff. I get
> sick…I got some soldiers with me. … Brothers that I know would, you
> know, if I say ‘Let’s go, we going to go and do something.’”

> The threat from Ummah is not over. It is described by the FBI as a
> “nationwide radical fundamentalist Sunni group,” and the death of
> Abdullah will not end their spreading of radical Islam and the skills
> to turn that ideology into deadly action. With Jamaat ul-Fuqra
> potentially available to provide the training, a match between the two
> would create a force capable of waging guerilla war, inside or outside
> the U.S. as part of their goal to create a miniature Islamic state
> inside America. The FBI must make sure that such an alliance is not
> formed."

> Yesterday, the day after the Fort Hood shootings, a group of radical
> muslims were recruiting outside a Manhattan mosque saying Obama is the
> enemy and the US is the enemy.  Maybe this massacre will be what wakes
> America up -- oh, once the health care debate is done, of course.
> First things first!
> yD

> On Nov 3, 8:58 am, elle <mbp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Did you know about this shootout in America? Was it publicised? But I
> > see that Jihadism will spread in America and could well be a bigger
> > problem there than in Europe. What are your views?

> > "A battle in the war against radical Islam in Detroit was briefly
> > waged on October 28 when the FBI engaged in a deadly shootout with an
> > extremist imam refusing to be arrested. The imam was a leader in
> > “Ummah,” meaning “the brotherhood,” a group said to consist of mostly
> > African-Americans, many of whom converted in prison. This group isn’t
> > the only one trying to create an Islamic state within the borders of
> > the U.S., and this shoot-out should be expected, unfortunately, to be
> > a sign of more violent conflict coming down the line in this country
> > with Islamic militant groups.

> > The gunfire began when the FBI tried to arrest Imam Luqman Ameen
> > Abdullah, whose original name was Christopher Thomas, for his
> > involvement in a crime ring along with followers of his. Abdullah
> > violently resisted, and managed to shoot and kill one of the FBI’s
> > dogs before falling to gunfire. The spiritual leader of Ummah is Jamil
> > Abdullah al-Amin, a former Black Panther who is in jail for killing
> > two police officers in Georgia that tried to arrest him. To Abdullah,
> > he was just following in his leader’s footsteps and carrying out the
> > “offensive jihad” against the U.S. government he had long preached
> > about.

> > The government also indicted 11 of Abdullah’s followers on charges
> > including illegal possession and sale of firearms, conspiracy and
> > theft of interstate shipments, mail fraud to obtain the proceeds of
> > arson, and tampering with vehicle identification numbers. Some fled to
> > Canada, including Abdullah’s oldest son, who was arrested in Ontario.
> > His son trained about 60 youth in martial arts at the mosque and was
> > part of what was called the “Sura team,” a group that carried guns to
> > protect the mosque.

> > Martial arts instruction isn’t the only form of paramilitary training
> > that Ummah gave its members. The FBI affidavit said that “many” of the
> > followers were armed and were encouraged to have guns. Some of the
> > members were provided with firearms training.

> > The group is very similar to Jamaat ul-Fuqra, a group led by Sheikh
> > Mubarak Ali Gilani, a radical cleric based in Pakistan. The group has
> > a branch in North America called “Muslims of the Americas” with dozens
> > of sites and several closed-off communities in rural areas used as
> > paramilitary training sites, some as large as 70 acres. Like Ummah,
> > the group is almost entirely African-American, has many prison
> > converts, many of its members engage in criminal activity, and is
> > actively trying to create miniature Islamic states inside the U.S.

> > Jamaat ul-Fuqra seems to share everything in common with Ummah,
> > although no reports have come out to show that Muslims of America-
> > affiliated mosques and communities are explicitly calling for war
> > against the U.S. government. However, few, if any reports came out
> > before the Detroit shootout about the Ummah’s preaching of jihad,
> > either. The close parallels warrant an investigation by the FBI into
> > whether Ummah has ties to Jamaat ul-Fuqra, given their common
> > objective, type of recruits, and desire for their followers to receive
> > guerilla warfare training. “Muslims of America” compounds would seem
> > to be the natural destination of Ummah members seeking such
> > instruction and camaraderie.

> > There is no evidence out of a link yet, but at this early stage in the
> > investigation into Ummah it should be noticed that Jamaat ul-Fuqra has
> > an isolated community in Combermere in Ontario, Canada, the same
> > province where Abdullah’s oldest son was arrested. And according to a
> > federally-funded 2004 report by the National White Collar Crime
> > Center, Jamaat ul-Fuqra had a training compound in Coldwater, M.I.,
> > about two hours from Detroit at the time of the report’s publication.
> > The report also described Jamaat ul-Fuqra as having had “activity” in
> > Detroit including murders and bombings, and having had operations
> > elsewhere in the state.

> > The Ummah has also had friends in the Council on American-Islamic
> > Relations, the prominent Muslim advocacy group that claims to be
> > moderate but was formed originally as part of Muslim Brotherhood’s
> > networks. The organization was also listed as an un-indicted co-
> > conspirator in the trial of the Holy Land Foundation, a charity found
> > to have acted as a covert fundraiser for Hamas.

> > The American-Muslim Taskforce, an umbrella organization counts CAIR
> > among its members, is demanding an investigation into the killing of
> > Abdullah. One thousand people attended his funeral. The head of CAIR’s
> > branch in Michigan, Dawud Walid, has also gone to bat for Abdullah,
> > saying he was “chartiable.”

> > “He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup
> > kitchen and feed indigent people…I knew nothing of him that as related
> > to any nefarious or criminal behavior,” he said.

> > Internal CAIR documents show that CAIR helped fundraise for the legal
> > appeal of Jamil Abdullah al-Amin. Imam Abdullah’s rage against the
> > U.S. government was also triggered in part by CAIR’s campaign to paint
> > the War on Terror as a War on Islam. The complaint against him quotes
> > him as saying, “CAIR and everybody send me all of this stuff. I get
> > sick…I got some soldiers with me. … Brothers that I know would, you
> > know, if I say ‘Let’s go, we going to go and do something.’”

> > The threat from Ummah is not over. It is described by the FBI as a
> > “nationwide radical fundamentalist Sunni group,” and the death of
> > Abdullah will not end their spreading of radical Islam and the skills
> > to turn that ideology into deadly action. With Jamaat ul-Fuqra
> > potentially available to provide the training, a match between the two
> > would create a force capable of waging guerilla war, inside or outside
> > the U.S. as part of their goal to create a miniature Islamic state
> > inside America. The FBI must make sure that such an alliance is not
> > formed."