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"Rat & Swan" <lab...@pacbell.net> wrote in message > > > <snip> > > > The AR side has made these points repeatedly. > > [..] > > I wouldn't go out and replace commercial meat with a commercial > The issue of reducing suffering is If there was such a thing as universal "rights"(or duties) animals would I believe "Rights" generally are a type of contract/understanding between at For the human concept of rights to work there has to be a degree of > Rat
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> Dutch wrote: affordable mice-proof
> > > > The thing about the meat industry is that a lot the cruel practices
are
> > identified,
> > > > and can be and are being changed. If people make noise about them,
then the
> > industry
> > > > will be motivated to make these changes. No doubt there are also
ways to influence
> > the
> > > > amount of animal suffering in agriculture. Can they design
> > bins? vegetable in my diet
> > > > Can tilling be made more humane? Can they kill insects and wild oats
without
> > poisoning
> > > > all the birds? Economics.
> > simply in an attempt to reduce suffering of animals, there is insufficient evidence
> > that it would have this effect. That doesn't mean it wouldn't, just that Your choice - just do not keep trying to intimidate others into following
it might not.
> > One ought to rely on more solid evidence to base life-altering
decisions.
> secondary for me, so the nit-picking
> argument about how much suffering is
> created by alternate forms of food
> production is not the deciding factor.
> I certainly agree that when practices
> that _increase_ suffering can be
> easily identified -- as many in
> the meat industry can be -- it becomes
> a good and important goal to reduce or
> eliminate them, as much as possible.
> But I am vegan
your unhealthy lifestyle(when followed religiously or by the book )
by promoting criminal acts against other Humans.
> because Explain - What "inherent" rights have animals got.
> I believe raising
> and slaughtering animals for food violates
> those animals' inherent rights.
respect them.
As it is animals don't respect "rights" cannot understand them and so
haven't got any.
least two parties
concerning common resources/behavior
reciprocation(give & take).
Non-human animals just do not have the capacity for this.
> Even if
> veggie production created more absolute suffering,
> I could not, ethically, replace veggies with
> non-human animal meat, any more than I could
> replace veggies with flesh of slaughtered humans.