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our village idiot wrote:
>>Suffering is a necessary part of existence ON our planet.
> 
> That so?  Let's cut your balls off without anaesthesia then.

Another vegan misanthrope lashing out with violence. Are you trying to 
fatten me for slaughter? That's one reason why bulls are castrated; it's 
also normally done in a painless fashion.

>>Living requires food. Animals are food. Pleasure is a function of
>>eating, too, so it makes sense that animals are for our pleasure.
> 
> Animals are not a proper food for humans.

Yes they are.

> Illness results,

Illness results from eating certain plants immediately. Illness and 
death occur regardless of diet at some point in life.

> suffering results. 

Suffering results for all animals whether they're eaten by humans or 
other animals. Indeed, many other predators are less humane than humans.

> Animals are not here for our pleasure.

Sure they are.

>>I'll stand by that with respect to a time-frame of a little longer than
>>"until very recently." I'll add that I have serious doubts about the
>>longevity of early hominids given predation, disease, and acts of
>>nature. Those utopian pseudo-science websites you like to cite don't
>>mention any of the above -- I wonder why.
> 
> I don't care what you stand by.  Cite some evidence yourself for a change.

	Accepting the premise that changes in longevity
	have occurred over the course of human evolution,
	we use a resampling approach to examine the nature
	of that change, with particular interest in whether
	there is a pattern of gradual change, or if there is
	a significant increase in longevity with the emergence
	of Homo erectus. Our sample consists of ages at death
	derived from the literature and includes over 150
	specimens ranging from the late Miocene to the Upper
	Pleistocene. These were plotted against time using a
	resampling method that avoids the problems of time
	dependence and the interpretation of slope that are
	inherent in linear regressions. To avoid error introduced
	by dates, we considered the data in 100,000 and 50,000
	year intervals and focused on increments of change (D)
	between individual observations in adjacent intervals.
	Random resampling with replacement was done an equal number
	of times for each increment generating a distribution for each
	resampling run as well as a total distribution of D. These
	distributions suggest no significant change in longevity	
	with the emergence of Homo erectus; RATHER, SUCH CHANGE
	OCCURS LATER IN HUMAN EVOLUTION. [my emphasis]
	
	http://tinyurl.com/gtf9

I also found the following chart, though I haven't had time to 
investigate the site. The information on it tends to agree with what I 
remembered from my biology and anthropology courses.

Pan troglodytes: Longevity about 40 years.
Australopithecus africanus: Longevity 40 years maximum.
Homo erectus:  Greater longevity 52 years.
Homo sapiens:  Longevity 66 years.

http://www.saburchill.com/IBbiology/chapters02/030.html

Now piss off, pendejo. You do your own homework next time.