> How do we stop this bloody HELL? STOP buying fur!!!
I eat meat, wear leather shoes and even have a leather belt. If I could afford to buy my wife a fur coat I sure would. But maybe you could have said stop buying China imports rather than just stop buying fur?
BTW, I enjoy hunting deer, geese, ducks and upland game birds too...
>> How do we stop this bloody HELL? STOP buying fur!!!
> I eat meat, wear leather shoes and even have a leather belt. If I could > afford to buy my wife a fur coat I sure would. But maybe you could have said > stop buying China imports rather than just stop buying fur?
> BTW, I enjoy hunting deer, geese, ducks and upland game birds too...
Dennis, you are a human purely by accident of birth. You could equally be a deer, a dog, goose, cow, or any other animal, and experience the pain, suffering and brutal death some humans callously inflict on others. Try to imagine yourself in their place, and consider how it feels. Surely you wouldn't want to be treated in that way. Please reconsider, thanks.
>>> How do we stop this bloody HELL? STOP buying fur!!!
>> I eat meat, wear leather shoes and even have a leather belt. If I could >> afford to buy my wife a fur coat I sure would. But maybe you could have >> said >> stop buying China imports rather than just stop buying fur?
>> BTW, I enjoy hunting deer, geese, ducks and upland game birds too...
> Dennis, you are a human purely by accident of birth. You could equally > be a deer, a dog, goose, cow, or any other animal, and experience the > pain, suffering and brutal death some humans callously inflict on others. > Try to imagine yourself in their place, and consider how it feels. Surely > you wouldn't want to be treated in that way. Please reconsider, thanks.
Oh piss off. This is cross posted to a fashion ng so what's you're point? I'll be putting steaks on the bbq tonight whilst we've still got some weather to do it in up here in the great white north. The geese are getting together for the big flight so I suppose I'd best get the shotgun ready so we'll have some great suppers over that long cold winter...
Why did you need to respond to this? Such cruelty is regarded as wholly unacceptable by the vast majority. To brag about your own bloodbaths.
'psy·cho·path n. A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.
Psychopathy (pronounced /sakopi/ in General American) is a term derived from the Greek psyche (soul) and pathos (suffering), and was once used to denote any form of mental illness. Currently, psychopathy is defined in psychiatry as a condition characterized by lack of empathy or conscience, poor impulse control and manipulative behaviors.
I would describe psychopaths as intra-species predators who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, and violence to control others and to satisfy their own selfish needs. Lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they cold-bloodedly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. .. so·ci·o·path -noun Psychiatry. a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
Sociopathy is chiefly characterized by something wrong with the person's conscience. They either don't have one, it's full of holes like Swiss cheese, or they are somehow able to completely neutralize or negate any sense of conscience or future time perspective. Sociopaths only care about fulfilling their own needs and desires - selfishness and egocentricity to the extreme. Everything and everybody else is mentally twisted around in their minds as objects to be used in fulfilling their own needs and desires. They often believe they are doing something good for society, or at least nothing that bad. ..' http://noisyroom.com/?p=217
>>> How do we stop this bloody HELL? STOP buying fur!!!
>> I eat meat, wear leather shoes and even have a leather belt. If I could >> afford to buy my wife a fur coat I sure would. But maybe you could have >> said >> stop buying China imports rather than just stop buying fur?
>> BTW, I enjoy hunting deer, geese, ducks and upland game birds too...
> Dennis, you are a human purely by accident of birth. You could equally > be a deer, a dog, goose, cow, or any other animal, and experience the > pain, suffering and brutal death some humans callously inflict on others. > Try to imagine yourself in their place, and consider how it feels. Surely > you wouldn't want to be treated in that way. Please reconsider, thanks.
There's nothing to reconsider. I eat meat and enjoy it. Heck, one of my favorite things is going out for steak & lobster with my lovely bride. I'm supposed to reconsider that?
And yes, we all are human accidentally by birth but doesn't that apply to any species? I don't hunt our of season and I don't harm my fellow humans so I guess that's fair. Ever watch what really happens in the wild and how they eat meat?
>>>> How do we stop this bloody HELL? STOP buying fur!!!
>>> I eat meat, wear leather shoes and even have a leather belt. If I could >>> afford to buy my wife a fur coat I sure would. But maybe you could have >>> said >>> stop buying China imports rather than just stop buying fur?
>>> BTW, I enjoy hunting deer, geese, ducks and upland game birds too...
>> Dennis, you are a human purely by accident of birth. You could equally >> be a deer, a dog, goose, cow, or any other animal, and experience the >> pain, suffering and brutal death some humans callously inflict on others. >> Try to imagine yourself in their place, and consider how it feels. Surely >> you wouldn't want to be treated in that way. Please reconsider, thanks.
> There's nothing to reconsider. I eat meat and enjoy it. Heck, one of my > favorite things is going out for steak & lobster with my lovely bride. I'm > supposed to reconsider that?
> And yes, we all are human accidentally by birth but doesn't that apply to any > species? I don't hunt our of season and I don't harm my fellow humans so I > guess that's fair. Ever watch what really happens in the wild and how they > eat meat?
Eat mean, suffer brain damage, become more violent, harm fellow humans.
On Oct 1, 2:27 am, Ruddell <ruddell'Elle-Kabo...@canada.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:33:12 -0600, O.pearl wrote > (in article <U3Ivm.30156$j7.493...@news.indigo.ie>):
> There's nothing to reconsider. I eat meat and enjoy it. Heck, one of my > favorite things is going out for steak & lobster with my lovely bride. I'm > supposed to reconsider that?
No accounting for tastes, do what you enjoy and have thought through yourself, not what some newsgroup trolls, lobbyists, or even your parents (or bride) have pushed on you. :)
Lobsters were for a long time only considered a food fit for slaves and prisoners. Then people discovered that by increasing the price they could make them popular. Now they are a different species entirely due to trapping, they have changed because only the ones able to breed in the first year or two of life have survived. Very quick evolution.
As for the bovines, originally only slaughtered when times were really tough and no other food could be obtained. Personally, I agree with Crocodile Dundee, "you can eat it but it tastes like ____".
"It often happens that the universal belief of one age, a belief from which no one was free, or could be free, without an extraordinary effort of genius or courage, becomes to a subsequent age, so palpable an absurdity that the only difficulty is to imagine how such an idea could ever have been deemed credible." -John Stuart Mill
The vegan ideal embodies the highest of ethical aspirations - non-violence, justice and compassion toward the innocent. Yet this deep and powerful value system continues to be marginalized by society. The example set by those who embrace these principles is too often vehemently opposed, trivialized or simply ignored. But the effects of this paradigm shift in perception are far-reaching, and the rewards beyond measure.
And yet, it somehow appears that the light of veganism is so bright that people are afraid to open their eyes to it, even individuals whose eyes are open to the truth behind other social causes. What is it that makes us cling so stubbornly to a practice that is clearly unnecessary, devastatingly cruel, and, if left unchecked, will almost certainly end up destroying us?
More and more people are recognizing the prejudice and injustice inherent in enslaving and slaughtering animals, in order to feed our appetite for flesh, eggs and milk. It is no secret that animal concentration camps create breeding grounds for all sorts of infectious diseases. It's also becoming known that animal products are detrimental to human health, and that animal agriculture, including 'free-range' and 'organic', is implicated in some of the worst crimes against the planet. Even the truth about the animal industry's role in world hunger and food shortages is starting to come into the open.
With all the advancements of human 'civilization', our addiction to killing keeps us in the dark ages. It inhibits us from cultivating our capacity for kindness, empathy, and justice; the very qualities we need to develop if we are to move forward into a safe and prosperous future, in which we do not fear one another.
In a world that makes little of preying upon the innocent, showing callous disregard for the pain and suffering of animals is not just accepted, but is frequently promoted in different forms by our society. Why would this be, when so many of us feel such a strong bond and love for animals?
Animals remind us of our own connection with (and separation from) the natural world, a world we once shared with them. Out of our intense desire to leave behind a way of life where daily survival had to be fought for, we managed to climb out of the world of nature, leaving behind the terror of the predatory paradigm. But rather than using our position of advantage to help our fellow animals, we have used it to further oppress them, and to push them into lives of even more fear, more pain, and more suffering, this time at the hands of those who claim to have evolved beyond their animal instincts to become creatures of moral conscience. It is for this reason that we feel guilty when we look at animals, because something inside us knows that we have betrayed them, and we continue to betray them, on a massive scale.
Animals value their lives, and strive to be free from pain. Since the same qualities exist in us, empathizing with them comes naturally. When we suppress that empathy, it makes it impossible for us to look more deeply into the true nature of animals, and the rest of the natural world that they rely on for survival.
Indifference toward the suffering of other creatures is an accepted societal norm that calls out for us to remember what basic human values are: justice, empathy, compassion and respect; for the natural world, for the other animals, and for our fellow humans. By re-evaluating and renewing our commitment to these fundamental values, and by calling attention to the need for an ethical evolution, we can create new standards of behavior, motivated by our desire to be better people. Only in this way will we become deserving of the position of stewardship that our physical evolution has granted us, but which we have rejected in favor of self-serving domination.
All over the world, animals are imprisoned, enslaved, tortured and violently killed, and all over the world, people who are otherwise kind, gentle and caring, continue to ignore this unspeakable suffering. And yet we wonder why the human race is plagued by violence on a world-wide scale. We go about our business, acting as though this state of violence does not indicate something terribly disturbing about our psychological state, individually and as a whole. Our lack of concern for innocent beings has caused us to de-sensitize ourselves to suffering, which in turn enables us to inflict pain on each other.
In the words of Russian novelist Count Leo Tolstoy: "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields."
The vegan ideal is at the core of the shift from predation to protection and from prejudice to justice; an essential step into a way of living that is more suited to the nature of people who care about the suffering of others, and who can empathize with another's situation. The vegan solution contains within it the power to solve even the most overwhelming problems we are facing, on every level from personal to planetary.
If we are to have a future, the people who live in that future will not be addicted to products that are a result of exploitation, suffering and environmental devastation. They will not source their food from animal farms or slaughterhouses, but from fertile gardens, vibrant orchards and veganic farms. People will be kind, compassionate, gentle and just.
This quantum leap in perception may seem unlikely from the position we are in today, but it is within this very change that our hope for the future lies.
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High fruit and vegetable intake positively correlated with antioxidant status, cognitive performance
Study of healthy subjects
Amsterdam, September 8, 2009 - Researchers at the Institute of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology I of the Heinrich-Heine University, Düsseldorf, Germany, investigated the relationship between fruit and vegetable intake, plasma antioxidant micronutrient status and cognitive performance in healthy subjects aged 45 to 102 years. Their results, published in the August issue of the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease, indicated higher cognitive performance in individuals with high daily intake of fruits and vegetables.
Subjects with a high daily intake (about 400 g) of fruits and vegetables had higher antioxidant levels, lower indicators of free radical-induced damage against lipids as well as better cognitive performance compared to healthy subjects of any age consuming low amounts (< 100 g/day) of fruits and vegetables. Modification of nutritional habits aimed at increasing intake of fruits and vegetables, therefore, should be encouraged to lower the prevalence of cognitive impairment.
The work was performed in collaboration with the Department of Pharmacology at Temple University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the Department of Geriatrics at Perugia University, Italy, and the Department of Neurology of the St. Elisabeth Hospital in Cologne, Germany.
Dr. M. Cristina Polidori, currently at the Department of Geriatrics, Marienhospital Herne, Ruhr-University of Bochum, Germany, explains: "It is known that there is a strong association between fruit and vegetable intake and the natural antioxidant defenses of the body against free radicals. It is also known that bad nutritional habits increase the risk of developing cognitive impairment with and without dementia. With this work we show a multiple link between fruit and vegetable intake, antioxidant defenses and cognitive performance, in the absence of disease and independent of age. Among other lifestyle habits, it is recommended to improve nutrition in general and fruit and vegetable intake in particular at any age, beginning as early as possible. This may increase our chances to remain free of dementia in advanced age."
These findings are independentof age, gender, body mass index, level of education, lipid profile and albumin levels, all factors able to influence cognitive and antioxidant status. The relevance of the findings is also strengthened by the large sample that included 193 healthy subjects.
Further studies are planned that will include larger subject cohorts, patients with Alzheimer's disease at different stages and patients with mild cognitive impairment without dementia.
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Reference: Polidori MC, Pratico D, Mangialasche F, Mariani E, Aust O, Anlasik T, Mang N, Pientka L, Stahl W, Sies H, Nelles G. High fruit and vegetable intake is positively correlated with antioxidant status and cognitive performance in healthy subjects. J Alzheimers Dis 17:4 (August 2009).
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