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Re: Independent Hard Evidence: From Adam to Noah

boi...@bellsouth.net (Boikat) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 04:16:40 UT

Nothing, from the All Stinking I(diot)? Not even a smarmy adolescent
quip?
Gee. i wonder why?
Boikat

Re: very frightening

foo.dic...@gmail.com (Dick C.) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 04:11:21 UT

heekster <heeks...@ifiwxtc.net> wrote in
Visited? Hell, I lived there. Even went to high school there.
But I never, ever, ate lutefisk.

Re: 'Theistic Selection' as opposed to 'Theistic Evolution'

cartographi...@gfnordmail.com (Garamond Lethe) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 04:02:50 UT

Changes to germline cells may be passed on to the next generation, thus these
changes are heritable. Changes to somatic cells are not passed along and so
are not heritable.
"Randomness" has multiple meanings and it would be helpful to note which one
you're using. Mutations are not random in the sense that they are drawn from

Re: Forrest under the mistaken belief that the Pope teaches evolutionism

macaddic...@removethisca.rr.com (macaddicted) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 02:58:20 UT

[snip]
Ah, you just hit the soft spot. 100 years ago the Church would have said
absolutely no other genetic material was involved. Today we say leave
science to the scientists, then go stare at a portrait of Aquinas.

Re: Forrest under the mistaken belief that the Pope teaches evolutionism

macaddic...@removethisca.rr.com (macaddicted) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 02:58:19 UT

[snip]
Except that I'm not saying it happened a few, or even several thousand
years ago. I'm also not saying that special creation was involved.
Lastly, the nature of the "spread" of sin does not preclude
pre-adamites, though this line of theology is not mainstream.

Re: Answer to Augray

macaddic...@removethisca.rr.com (macaddicted) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 02:58:20 UT

Ray's going to need the proper pronunciation of "canibal" as it comes
from Cain and Able, or cannon ball, or some such.

Re: The problem Forrest calls "small" is the linch pin of the whole

reddfr...@bresnan.net (Dana Tweedy) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 03:58:03 UT

No, John is right. You got it wrong again, Ray. How long will it take you
to admit your mistake?
What do you think "punctuated" means, Ray?
Here's Gould's own description:
[link]
"We realized that a standard biological account. Mayr's peripatric theory or

Re: Misconceptions

mailtosecret...@carcosa.de (Thurisaz the Einherjer) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 03:51:53 UT

Morontheist "evolutionguru":
Mistake in OP corrected for everyone's convenience.

Re: Biblical Archaeology: Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 03:23:34 UT

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 02:22:38 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
Once in a book I found a reference to a place in the KJV OT where
the copyist had obviously included some proofreader's comments. I
looked it up and it sure convinced me that it happened. I wrote
the book, chapter and verse in the frontispiece of the Bible, but

Re: Biblical Archaeology: Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

wdnospammo...@verizon.net (William Morse) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 03:19:25 UT

We know that rainfall totals are higher for smaller areas and shorter
durations. Cherrapunji, India, has apparently recorded a total of 366
inches of rain in one month. One can see that an event like that would
be remembered for a long time, and would be a good candidate for a
legendary account like that of Noah.

Re: Answer to Augray (was howler slander topic)

hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 03:17:43 UT

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:33:13 -0800 (PST), Ray Martinez
When I was stationed at fort Knox in the early 1960s our unit had
to go to training sessions in the base theater that were more
like indoctrination sessions.
At one point we were pretty much blown away when the master
sergeant who conducted the trainings finished up a patriotic

Re: Howler slander topic

kar...@sympatico.ca (Caranx latus) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 03:16:07 UT

Who said anything about submitting? The scientific community (see that
word "community") is a community of equals, of peers. If one intends to
refute a scientific theory, there are two things that one must do: have
one's argument properly thought through and well supported, and present
that argument to the community for its consideration and eventual agreement.

Re: 'Theistic Selection' as opposed to 'Theistic Evolution'

cecilcr...@hotmail.com (Scanman) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 03:14:14 UT

What brings about 'heritable changes'?
Leaving God out of the picture leaves Nature's influence to
randomness.
Natural 'Selection' brings about change that suits environmental
variables.
Mutation is by definition 'change'.

Re: did man walk on the moon...and creationism.

hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 03:12:29 UT

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:27:42 -0800 (PST), Suzanne
Scientific American had an article about this back in the early
1950s....

Re: Biblical Archaeology: Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

jlastn...@comcast.dot.net (John McKendry) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 03:12:38 UT

<snip>
I thought that the Testimonium Flavianum, the section that now says
"Jesus was The Christ", is generally acknowledged to be a later
Christian embellishment of a genuine mention of Jesus. I have never
heard that the other mention of Jesus, in the account of the death
of James, is an interpolation. OK, maybe I've heard that from some