<leila...@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Oct 29, 2:34 pm, Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk> wrote: >> Mike Lyle wrote: >> > Burkhard wrote: >> > [...] >> >> Oh, and apparently Skinner got the idea form the British, who had used >> >> seagulls in WW1 for anti-submarine warfare.
>> >> (Ferster and Skinner, Schedules of reinforcement. Englewood Cliffs, >> >> N.J: Prentice-Hall, 1957) >> > [...]
>> > The gull thing was a failed experiment, which I confess I might perhaps >> > have been tempted by at the time. The idea was to get seabirds to >> > associate periscopes with food, by towing a model submarine full of dead >> > fish. His Majesty's anti-submarine ships would then investigate any >> > flocks of frustrated feathered fish-eaters. I understand the birds >> > declined to participate.
>> he report notices that it is often easier to spot a submarine by looking >> for gulls, and in this sense it seems to have become part of the >> operational doctrine- Hide quoted text -
>This was not a submarine and the rockets were provided to you >to read about in a URL that I already have given. The pigeon was >in the nosecone of a rocket.
Scientific American had an article about this back in the early 1950s....
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> > >> > > > You guys are confused. I originally said that I had attended a class > > >> > > > at the University of Texas in Austin, that was taught by Dr. WVB.
> > >> > > OK, there's a problem in terminology here. The thing you described > > >> > > in your response to me previous question -- a public lecture by a > > >> > > guest speaker -- is not a "class," and the thing the speaker is doing > > >> > > is not "teaching," as these terms are used in universities.
> > >> > > When you say, "I had attended a class...that was taught by Dr. WVB," > > >> > > that phrase has certain implications: that it was a course (not a > > >> > > one-time event), that it was part of a regular curriculum, that > > >> > > you got (or at least could have gotten) a grade. A class and a public > > >> > > lecture (perhaps called a "colloquium") are two very different things.
> > >> > > I don't think you are being deliberately misleading, but these words > > >> > > have definite meanings, and your misuse has caused a lot of confusion.
> > >> > I have not caused any confusion here at all, Steve. I've said all > > >> > along that > > >> > this was a class that was taught by a guest lecturer. None of my > > >> > accusers > > >> > had any trouble at all understanding what had been said about the > > >> > guest > > >> > lecture class until rather recently, and that was only in the capacity > > >> > of just > > >> > messing with me.
> > >> > > > I said that the subject that he was teaching on
> > >> > > Say "lecturing on" or "talking about."
> > >> > They are not confused, Steve.
> > >> > > > was "The Half-Life of Uranium 235 in the Cyclotron."
> > >> > > Here there are two possibilities -- either you've remembered this wrong, > > >> > > or he was an idiot.
> > >> > I have not rememnbered this wrong and someone such as Dr. Von Braun is > > >> > certainly not an idiot.
> > >> > > It's possible that he talked about U235. He may very well have mentioned > > >> > > the use of cyclotron-like machines ("calutrons") to isolate that isotope > > >> > > -- not the best technology even at that time, but not a silly topic). But > > >> > > there is nothing of any interest at all about the half-life of U235 *in* a > > >> > > cyclotron.
> > >> > > The half-life of U235 is about 700 million years. While there would be > > >> > > some relativistic effects if it were raised to a high enough speed in a > > >> > > cyclotron, the half-life is far, far too long to allow an observation of > > >> > > those effects. If he were talking about half-lives in cyclotrons, focusing > > >> > > on U235 would be really stupid.
> > >> > > Talking about "the half-life of U235 in a cyclotron" makes about as much > > >> > > sense as talking about "the half-life of U235 on a mvie sound stage." > > >> > > The half-life of U235 in interesting, cyclotrons are interesting, but the > > >> > > two have nothing to do with each other.
> > >> > > Steve Carlip
> > >> > In the 50's this was very interesting to physics students at that > > >> > time, > > >> > that were in attendance.
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> > >> So quite saying you attended a "class" You didn't.
> > >I did attend a class given by a guest lecturer, exactly as I have > > >said from the beginning. Trying to make an issue out of this is > > >just plain ludicrous.
> > You're correct that it's no big deal and I bet everyone (finally) > > figured out that you meant that you attended a lecture by WVB.
> > Your usage of 'class' is inconsistent with the definition (thanks to > > Miriam-Webster.com) of class and common usage here in the US:
> > Main Entry: 1class > > Pronunciation: \'klas\ > > Function: noun > > Usage: often attributive > > Etymology: French classe, from Latin classis group called to military > > service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at > > low > > Date: 1602 > > 1 a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject b > > : the period during which such a body meets c : a course of > > instruction d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation > > is the same
> > Note the word regularly in a).
> > Why not use the word lecture, which is actually correct?
> > >> Historic records of Egypt, China and Mesopotamia showing no Noahic > > >> Flood occured.
> > >Thanks but these websites accomodate the flood, since the first > > >mentions Jared, and Mahalaleel, the second mentions Gilgamesh, > > >plus the Chinese Emperor Yao from the flood. The third mentions > > >the cities that Noah was from, which is Ur.
> > >Chinese records which I have previously produced, mention the > > >"border sacrifice" on the nw border of China which is the first > > >sacrifice from the flood of the one true God. Didn't you even read > > >the websites that were provided? The Chinese people are taught > > >that they came from the flood.
> > >Suzanne
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> The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that > they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to > hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the > class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming > to it. This was a class. The only time I attended this class was > when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
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And here you have Suzanne at her best. Once she says something it is locked in stone, never to be changed, no matter how wrong she is.
>On Nov 8, 2:12 pm, Ralph Page <r...@PANTSralphpage.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:14:41 -0800 (PST), Suzanne
>> <leila...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >On Nov 6, 11:00 pm, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Nov 6, 6:53 pm, Suzanne <leila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Oct 30, 7:01 pm, carlip-nos...@physics.ucdavis.edu wrote:
>> >> > > > You guys are confused. I originally said that I had attended a class >> >> > > > at the University of Texas in Austin, that was taught by Dr. WVB.
>> >> > > OK, there's a problem in terminology here. The thing you described >> >> > > in your response to me previous question -- a public lecture by a >> >> > > guest speaker -- is not a "class," and the thing the speaker is doing >> >> > > is not "teaching," as these terms are used in universities.
>> >> > > When you say, "I had attended a class...that was taught by Dr. WVB," >> >> > > that phrase has certain implications: that it was a course (not a >> >> > > one-time event), that it was part of a regular curriculum, that >> >> > > you got (or at least could have gotten) a grade. A class and a public >> >> > > lecture (perhaps called a "colloquium") are two very different things.
>> >> > > I don't think you are being deliberately misleading, but these words >> >> > > have definite meanings, and your misuse has caused a lot of confusion.
>> >> > I have not caused any confusion here at all, Steve. I've said all >> >> > along that >> >> > this was a class that was taught by a guest lecturer. None of my >> >> > accusers >> >> > had any trouble at all understanding what had been said about the >> >> > guest >> >> > lecture class until rather recently, and that was only in the capacity >> >> > of just >> >> > messing with me.
>> >> > > > I said that the subject that he was teaching on
>> >> > > Say "lecturing on" or "talking about."
>> >> > They are not confused, Steve.
>> >> > > > was "The Half-Life of Uranium 235 in the Cyclotron."
>> >> > > Here there are two possibilities -- either you've remembered this wrong, >> >> > > or he was an idiot.
>> >> > I have not rememnbered this wrong and someone such as Dr. Von Braun is >> >> > certainly not an idiot.
>> >> > > It's possible that he talked about U235. He may very well have mentioned >> >> > > the use of cyclotron-like machines ("calutrons") to isolate that isotope >> >> > > -- not the best technology even at that time, but not a silly topic). But >> >> > > there is nothing of any interest at all about the half-life of U235 *in* a >> >> > > cyclotron.
>> >> > > The half-life of U235 is about 700 million years. While there would be >> >> > > some relativistic effects if it were raised to a high enough speed in a >> >> > > cyclotron, the half-life is far, far too long to allow an observation of >> >> > > those effects. If he were talking about half-lives in cyclotrons, focusing >> >> > > on U235 would be really stupid.
>> >> > > Talking about "the half-life of U235 in a cyclotron" makes about as much >> >> > > sense as talking about "the half-life of U235 on a mvie sound stage." >> >> > > The half-life of U235 in interesting, cyclotrons are interesting, but the >> >> > > two have nothing to do with each other.
>> >> > > Steve Carlip
>> >> > In the 50's this was very interesting to physics students at that >> >> > time, >> >> > that were in attendance.
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>> >> So quite saying you attended a "class" You didn't.
>> >I did attend a class given by a guest lecturer, exactly as I have >> >said from the beginning. Trying to make an issue out of this is >> >just plain ludicrous.
>> You're correct that it's no big deal and I bet everyone (finally) >> figured out that you meant that you attended a lecture by WVB.
>> Your usage of 'class' is inconsistent with the definition (thanks to >> Miriam-Webster.com) of class and common usage here in the US:
>> Main Entry: 1class >> Pronunciation: \'klas\ >> Function: noun >> Usage: often attributive >> Etymology: French classe, from Latin classis group called to military >> service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at >> low >> Date: 1602 >> 1 a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject b >> : the period during which such a body meets c : a course of >> instruction d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation >> is the same
>> Note the word regularly in a).
>> Why not use the word lecture, which is actually correct?
>> >> Historic records of Egypt, China and Mesopotamia showing no Noahic >> >> Flood occured.
>> >Thanks but these websites accomodate the flood, since the first >> >mentions Jared, and Mahalaleel, the second mentions Gilgamesh, >> >plus the Chinese Emperor Yao from the flood. The third mentions >> >the cities that Noah was from, which is Ur.
>> >Chinese records which I have previously produced, mention the >> >"border sacrifice" on the nw border of China which is the first >> >sacrifice from the flood of the one true God. Didn't you even read >> >the websites that were provided? The Chinese people are taught >> >that they came from the flood.
>> >Suzanne
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>The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that >they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to >hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the >class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming >to it. This was a class.
But you did not attend the class, you attended the lecture. Your understanding of the English language is very poor.
> The only time I attended this class was >when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
>Suzanne
Now. Back to the important part.
Due to his lack of security clearance WvB had nothing to do with anything nuclear in the USA. Due to his fame as a rocket engineer he did do a lot of promotional work for NASA, including student lectures. However, I can find no record whatsoever of him EVER lecturing on any other subject - and most certainly not on the totally ridiculous idea of "The Half Life Of U235 In A Cyclotron".
As pointed out to you by several people, the whole idea of such a lecture would be totally mad. I'm positive that this is another of your inventions - like seeing Nikita Khrushchev live at the UN banging his shoe and saying he will "bury you" to the USA.
>On Oct 29, 2:34 pm, Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk> wrote: >> Mike Lyle wrote: >> > Burkhard wrote: >> > [...] >> >> Oh, and apparently Skinner got the idea form the British, who had used >> >> seagulls in WW1 for anti-submarine warfare.
>> >> (Ferster and Skinner, Schedules of reinforcement. Englewood Cliffs, >> >> N.J: Prentice-Hall, 1957) >> > [...]
>> > The gull thing was a failed experiment, which I confess I might perhaps >> > have been tempted by at the time. The idea was to get seabirds to >> > associate periscopes with food, by towing a model submarine full of dead >> > fish. His Majesty's anti-submarine ships would then investigate any >> > flocks of frustrated feathered fish-eaters. I understand the birds >> > declined to participate.
>> he report notices that it is often easier to spot a submarine by looking >> for gulls, and in this sense it seems to have become part of the >> operational doctrine- Hide quoted text -
>This was not a submarine and the rockets were provided to you >to read about in a URL that I already have given. The pigeon was >in the nosecone of a rocket.
Except that it never was, not once.
>Suzanne
-- Bob.
You have not been charged for this lesson - learn from it rather than continuing to make a fool of yourself.
Suzanne wrote: > On Oct 29, 2:34 pm, Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk> wrote: >> Mike Lyle wrote: >>> Burkhard wrote: >>> [...] >>>> Oh, and apparently Skinner got the idea form the British, who had used >>>> seagulls in WW1 for anti-submarine warfare. >>>> (Ferster and Skinner, Schedules of reinforcement. Englewood Cliffs, >>>> N.J: Prentice-Hall, 1957) >>> [...] >>> The gull thing was a failed experiment, which I confess I might perhaps >>> have been tempted by at the time. The idea was to get seabirds to >>> associate periscopes with food, by towing a model submarine full of dead >>> fish. His Majesty's anti-submarine ships would then investigate any >>> flocks of frustrated feathered fish-eaters. I understand the birds >>> declined to participate. >>> If interested, see: >>> <http://www.ijnhonline.org/volume5_number1_apr06/article_avian_wilson_...> >> Thanks a lot! I only ha d Skinner's throwaway comment. Here is something >> related which I tikk to be the origin of the idea:
>> he report notices that it is often easier to spot a submarine by looking >> for gulls, and in this sense it seems to have become part of the >> operational doctrine- Hide quoted text -
> This was not a submarine
Indeed - if you follow the discussion, you see that Mike and I moved on to discuss Skinner and his use of animals in warfare more generally.
and the rockets were provided to you
Someone provided me with rockets?
> to read about in a URL that I already have given. The pigeon was > in the nosecone of a rocket.
As you can see from Skinner's own biography (that I cited), the letter from the MoD and and the other articles, they never got as far as firing one of these rockets, or indeed develop prototypes. The closest they got to have actual pigeons in a rocket was one experiment where they put several pigeons in one specially designed rocket shell (without fuel, fins or payload, just to recreate the environment they would find themselves in as closely as possible), to see if they got distracted by each other, especially if they mixed males and females. All the other experiments used boxes and other cheap and simple to make equipment to train the pigeons. The ultimate aim was to get them indeed in the nose-cone of real rockets, but funding was cut before it reached that stage, and no pigeon guided rocket was ever fired.
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:14:38 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
>Due to his lack of security clearance WvB had nothing to do with >anything nuclear in the USA. Due to his fame as a rocket engineer he >did do a lot of promotional work for NASA, including student lectures. >However, I can find no record whatsoever of him EVER lecturing on any >other subject - and most certainly not on the totally ridiculous idea >of "The Half Life Of U235 In A Cyclotron".
There is a circumstance where half-life in a cyclotron might be meaningful. If a radioactive particle were speeded up in a partical accelerator rleativistic effects would cause the half life to increase. Unfortunately, although it would work, half-life is a bulk effect for many atoms taken together and it would be nearly impossible to determine the new half life for a singel or only a few atoms when the decay would still be a random event. Not to mention that a cyclotron would be a bad choice because of centripetal effects; the Stanford Linear Accelerator would be better.
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:11:48 -0700, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:14:38 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> >wrote:
>>Due to his lack of security clearance WvB had nothing to do with >>anything nuclear in the USA. Due to his fame as a rocket engineer he >>did do a lot of promotional work for NASA, including student lectures. >>However, I can find no record whatsoever of him EVER lecturing on any >>other subject - and most certainly not on the totally ridiculous idea >>of "The Half Life Of U235 In A Cyclotron".
>There is a circumstance where half-life in a cyclotron might be >meaningful.
For short lived products, sure. For U235 no.
>If a radioactive particle were speeded up in a >partical accelerator rleativistic effects would cause the half >life to increase. Unfortunately, although it would work, >half-life is a bulk effect for many atoms taken together and it >would be nearly impossible to determine the new half life for a >singel or only a few atoms when the decay would still be a random >event. Not to mention that a cyclotron would be a bad choice >because of centripetal effects; the Stanford Linear Accelerator >would be better.
Yes, but as the half life of U235 is 703,800,000 years there would be no point in trying to slow down its decay :)
There is no way WvB lectured on the subject, it is not only a ridiculous subject to talk about but it is also way outside his area of expertise.
The simple conclusion is that Suzanne has been caught out in another of her lies. It certainly isn't the first time and I doubt it will be the last.
> > > >> > > > You guys are confused. I originally said that I had attended a class > > > >> > > > at the University of Texas in Austin, that was taught by Dr. WVB.
> > > >> > > OK, there's a problem in terminology here. The thing you described > > > >> > > in your response to me previous question -- a public lecture by a > > > >> > > guest speaker -- is not a "class," and the thing the speaker is doing > > > >> > > is not "teaching," as these terms are used in universities.
> > > >> > > When you say, "I had attended a class...that was taught by Dr. WVB," > > > >> > > that phrase has certain implications: that it was a course (not a > > > >> > > one-time event), that it was part of a regular curriculum, that > > > >> > > you got (or at least could have gotten) a grade. A class and a public > > > >> > > lecture (perhaps called a "colloquium") are two very different things.
> > > >> > > I don't think you are being deliberately misleading, but these words > > > >> > > have definite meanings, and your misuse has caused a lot of confusion.
> > > >> > I have not caused any confusion here at all, Steve. I've said all > > > >> > along that > > > >> > this was a class that was taught by a guest lecturer. None of my > > > >> > accusers > > > >> > had any trouble at all understanding what had been said about the > > > >> > guest > > > >> > lecture class until rather recently, and that was only in the capacity > > > >> > of just > > > >> > messing with me.
> > > >> > > > I said that the subject that he was teaching on
> > > >> > > Say "lecturing on" or "talking about."
> > > >> > They are not confused, Steve.
> > > >> > > > was "The Half-Life of Uranium 235 in the Cyclotron."
> > > >> > > Here there are two possibilities -- either you've remembered this wrong, > > > >> > > or he was an idiot.
> > > >> > I have not rememnbered this wrong and someone such as Dr. Von Braun is > > > >> > certainly not an idiot.
> > > >> > > It's possible that he talked about U235. He may very well have mentioned > > > >> > > the use of cyclotron-like machines ("calutrons") to isolate that isotope > > > >> > > -- not the best technology even at that time, but not a silly topic). But > > > >> > > there is nothing of any interest at all about the half-life of U235 *in* a > > > >> > > cyclotron.
> > > >> > > The half-life of U235 is about 700 million years. While there would be > > > >> > > some relativistic effects if it were raised to a high enough speed in a > > > >> > > cyclotron, the half-life is far, far too long to allow an observation of > > > >> > > those effects. If he were talking about half-lives in cyclotrons, focusing > > > >> > > on U235 would be really stupid.
> > > >> > > Talking about "the half-life of U235 in a cyclotron" makes about as much > > > >> > > sense as talking about "the half-life of U235 on a mvie sound stage." > > > >> > > The half-life of U235 in interesting, cyclotrons are interesting, but the > > > >> > > two have nothing to do with each other.
> > > >> > > Steve Carlip
> > > >> > In the 50's this was very interesting to physics students at that > > > >> > time, > > > >> > that were in attendance.
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> > > >> So quite saying you attended a "class" You didn't.
> > > >I did attend a class given by a guest lecturer, exactly as I have > > > >said from the beginning. Trying to make an issue out of this is > > > >just plain ludicrous.
> > > You're correct that it's no big deal and I bet everyone (finally) > > > figured out that you meant that you attended a lecture by WVB.
> > > Your usage of 'class' is inconsistent with the definition (thanks to > > > Miriam-Webster.com) of class and common usage here in the US:
> > > Main Entry: 1class > > > Pronunciation: \'klas\ > > > Function: noun > > > Usage: often attributive > > > Etymology: French classe, from Latin classis group called to military > > > service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at > > > low > > > Date: 1602 > > > 1 a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject b > > > : the period during which such a body meets c : a course of > > > instruction d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation > > > is the same
> > > Note the word regularly in a).
> > > Why not use the word lecture, which is actually correct?
> > > >> Historic records of Egypt, China and Mesopotamia showing no Noahic > > > >> Flood occured.
> > > >Thanks but these websites accomodate the flood, since the first > > > >mentions Jared, and Mahalaleel, the second mentions Gilgamesh, > > > >plus the Chinese Emperor Yao from the flood. The third mentions > > > >the cities that Noah was from, which is Ur.
> > > >Chinese records which I have previously produced, mention the > > > >"border sacrifice" on the nw border of China which is the first > > > >sacrifice from the flood of the one true God. Didn't you even read > > > >the websites that were provided? The Chinese people are taught > > > >that they came from the flood.
> > > >Suzanne
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> > The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that > > they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to > > hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the > > class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming > > to it. This was a class. The only time I attended this class was > > when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
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Isn't that interesting. I say something and then you insist that it can't be the truth. But when I say it is as I have told you, then you claim that it is "locked in stone" and that I won't change my mind. Are you unaware that people can see through that sort of tactic? If someone tells you something, there is no reason why they should change it just because you never believe anything. You are the one that is set in stone. But you try to turn it against me, like I am the one that has not told the truth.
> >> >> > > > You guys are confused. I originally said that I had attended a class > >> >> > > > at the University of Texas in Austin, that was taught by Dr. WVB.
> >> >> > > OK, there's a problem in terminology here. The thing you described > >> >> > > in your response to me previous question -- a public lecture by a > >> >> > > guest speaker -- is not a "class," and the thing the speaker is doing > >> >> > > is not "teaching," as these terms are used in universities.
> >> >> > > When you say, "I had attended a class...that was taught by Dr. WVB," > >> >> > > that phrase has certain implications: that it was a course (not a > >> >> > > one-time event), that it was part of a regular curriculum, that > >> >> > > you got (or at least could have gotten) a grade. A class and a public > >> >> > > lecture (perhaps called a "colloquium") are two very different things.
> >> >> > > I don't think you are being deliberately misleading, but these words > >> >> > > have definite meanings, and your misuse has caused a lot of confusion.
> >> >> > I have not caused any confusion here at all, Steve. I've said all > >> >> > along that > >> >> > this was a class that was taught by a guest lecturer. None of my > >> >> > accusers > >> >> > had any trouble at all understanding what had been said about the > >> >> > guest > >> >> > lecture class until rather recently, and that was only in the capacity > >> >> > of just > >> >> > messing with me.
> >> >> > > > I said that the subject that he was teaching on
> >> >> > > Say "lecturing on" or "talking about."
> >> >> > They are not confused, Steve.
> >> >> > > > was "The Half-Life of Uranium 235 in the Cyclotron."
> >> >> > > Here there are two possibilities -- either you've remembered this wrong, > >> >> > > or he was an idiot.
> >> >> > I have not rememnbered this wrong and someone such as Dr. Von Braun is > >> >> > certainly not an idiot.
> >> >> > > It's possible that he talked about U235. He may very well have mentioned > >> >> > > the use of cyclotron-like machines ("calutrons") to isolate that isotope > >> >> > > -- not the best technology even at that time, but not a silly topic). But > >> >> > > there is nothing of any interest at all about the half-life of U235 *in* a > >> >> > > cyclotron.
> >> >> > > The half-life of U235 is about 700 million years. While there would be > >> >> > > some relativistic effects if it were raised to a high enough speed in a > >> >> > > cyclotron, the half-life is far, far too long to allow an observation of > >> >> > > those effects. If he were talking about half-lives in cyclotrons, focusing > >> >> > > on U235 would be really stupid.
> >> >> > > Talking about "the half-life of U235 in a cyclotron" makes about as much > >> >> > > sense as talking about "the half-life of U235 on a mvie sound stage." > >> >> > > The half-life of U235 in interesting, cyclotrons are interesting, but the > >> >> > > two have nothing to do with each other.
> >> >> > > Steve Carlip
> >> >> > In the 50's this was very interesting to physics students at that > >> >> > time, > >> >> > that were in attendance.
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> >> >> So quite saying you attended a "class" You didn't.
> >> >I did attend a class given by a guest lecturer, exactly as I have > >> >said from the beginning. Trying to make an issue out of this is > >> >just plain ludicrous.
> >> You're correct that it's no big deal and I bet everyone (finally) > >> figured out that you meant that you attended a lecture by WVB.
> >> Your usage of 'class' is inconsistent with the definition (thanks to > >> Miriam-Webster.com) of class and common usage here in the US:
> >> Main Entry: 1class > >> Pronunciation: \'klas\ > >> Function: noun > >> Usage: often attributive > >> Etymology: French classe, from Latin classis group called to military > >> service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at > >> low > >> Date: 1602 > >> 1 a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject b > >> : the period during which such a body meets c : a course of > >> instruction d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation > >> is the same
> >> Note the word regularly in a).
> >> Why not use the word lecture, which is actually correct?
> >> >> Historic records of Egypt, China and Mesopotamia showing no Noahic > >> >> Flood occured.
> >> >Thanks but these websites accomodate the flood, since the first > >> >mentions Jared, and Mahalaleel, the second mentions Gilgamesh, > >> >plus the Chinese Emperor Yao from the flood. The third mentions > >> >the cities that Noah was from, which is Ur.
> >> >Chinese records which I have previously produced, mention the > >> >"border sacrifice" on the nw border of China which is the first > >> >sacrifice from the flood of the one true God. Didn't you even read > >> >the websites that were provided? The Chinese people are taught > >> >that they came from the flood.
> >> >Suzanne
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> >The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that > >they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to > >hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the > >class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming > >to it. This was a class.
> But you did not attend the class, you attended the lecture. Your > understanding of the English language is very poor.
> > The only time I attended this class was > >when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
> >Suzanne
> Now. Back to the important part.
> Due to his lack of security clearance WvB had nothing to do with > anything nuclear in the USA. Due to his fame as a rocket engineer he > did do a lot of promotional work for NASA, including student lectures. > However, I can find no record whatsoever of him EVER lecturing on any > other subject - and most certainly not on the totally ridiculous idea > of "The Half Life Of U235 In A Cyclotron".
> As pointed out to you by several people, the whole idea of such a > lecture would be totally mad. I'm positive that this is another of > your inventions - like seeing Nikita Khrushchev live at the UN banging > his shoe and saying he will "bury you" to the USA.
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I went to a physics class that had a guest lecturer. The class was held in a larger classroom, not in an auditorium, it was a gallery classroom, if you know what that is. If you do not like that, that's just plain too bad. I'm not going to change what happened just to accomodate your very strange mischief. If you go back in the thread, you can read that I said that it was a gallery classroom in the very beginning of this subject. You appear to just be up to mischief. I have told you what the lecture was about. For you to go dredge up Nikita Krushchev's banging his shoe incident, which is something that did happen for real, shows that you are really desparate, since that is simply not relative to a physics class in which a guest lecturer came to teach.
> Suzanne wrote: > > On Oct 29, 2:34 pm, Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk> wrote: > >> Mike Lyle wrote: > >>> Burkhard wrote: > >>> [...] > >>>> Oh, and apparently Skinner got the idea form the British, who had used > >>>> seagulls in WW1 for anti-submarine warfare. > >>>> (Ferster and Skinner, Schedules of reinforcement. Englewood Cliffs, > >>>> N.J: Prentice-Hall, 1957) > >>> [...] > >>> The gull thing was a failed experiment, which I confess I might perhaps > >>> have been tempted by at the time. The idea was to get seabirds to > >>> associate periscopes with food, by towing a model submarine full of dead > >>> fish. His Majesty's anti-submarine ships would then investigate any > >>> flocks of frustrated feathered fish-eaters. I understand the birds > >>> declined to participate. > >>> If interested, see: > >>> <http://www.ijnhonline.org/volume5_number1_apr06/article_avian_wilson_...> > >> Thanks a lot! I only ha d Skinner's throwaway comment. Here is something > >> related which I tikk to be the origin of the idea:
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> Indeed - if you follow the discussion, you see that Mike and I moved on > to discuss Skinner and his use of animals in warfare more generally.
> and the rockets were provided to you
> Someone provided me with rockets?
> > to read about in a URL that I already have given. The pigeon was > > in the nosecone of a rocket.
> As you can see from Skinner's own biography (that I cited), the letter > from the MoD and and the other articles, they never got as far as > firing one of these rockets, or indeed develop prototypes. The closest > they got to have actual pigeons in a rocket was one experiment where > they put several pigeons in one specially designed rocket shell (without > fuel, fins or payload, just to recreate the environment they would find > themselves in as closely as possible), to see if they got distracted by > each other, especially if they mixed males and females. All the other > experiments used boxes and other cheap and simple to make equipment to > train the pigeons. The ultimate aim was to get them indeed in the > nose-cone of real rockets, but funding was cut before it reached that > stage, and no pigeon guided rocket was ever fired.
Thank you for your information. If you say that they didn't actually fire a rocket using this, I trust you about that. I do remember that people were concerned for the pigeon/s. I do remember Skinner saying "unfortunately, the pigeon dies." At that point, people groaned, and people discussed that point a lot in weeks following this presentation.
>>> The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that >>> they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to >>> hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the >>> class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming >>> to it. This was a class. The only time I attended this class was >>> when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
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>> And here you have Suzanne at her best. Once she says something it is >> locked in stone, never to be changed, no matter how wrong she is.
As long as you understand that it is locked in stone even if she contradicts herself you will be OK. If she says A and then not A both are true.
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> Isn't that interesting. I say something and then you insist that it > can't > be the truth. But when I say it is as I have told you, then you claim > that it is "locked in stone" and that I won't change my mind. Are you > unaware that people can see through that sort of tactic? If someone > tells you something, there is no reason why they should change it > just because you never believe anything. You are the one that is > set in stone. But you try to turn it against me, like I am the one > that > has not told the truth.
If you were consistant in your little stories and if it was not so easy to document your stupidity in other place you might have a valid argument.
However when you tell us that "This was a class. " AND tell us that, "I only know about this one class that I attended. By class, I am not meaning a course. I'm guessing that the physics department invited him, but it could have been an individual on staff..."
it becomes clear that, at best, you really don't remember what was going on. It would seem that both your long and short term memory is failing.
If there was a god what would it be like if it let her speak for it?
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:11:48 -0700, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> enriched > this group when s/he wrote:
> >On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:14:38 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> > >wrote:
> >>Due to his lack of security clearance WvB had nothing to do with > >>anything nuclear in the USA. Due to his fame as a rocket engineer he > >>did do a lot of promotional work for NASA, including student lectures. > >>However, I can find no record whatsoever of him EVER lecturing on any > >>other subject - and most certainly not on the totally ridiculous idea > >>of "The Half Life Of U235 In A Cyclotron".
> >There is a circumstance where half-life in a cyclotron might be > >meaningful.
> For short lived products, sure. For U235 no.
> >If a radioactive particle were speeded up in a > >partical accelerator rleativistic effects would cause the half > >life to increase. Unfortunately, although it would work, > >half-life is a bulk effect for many atoms taken together and it > >would be nearly impossible to determine the new half life for a > >singel or only a few atoms when the decay would still be a random > >event. Not to mention that a cyclotron would be a bad choice > >because of centripetal effects; the Stanford Linear Accelerator > >would be better.
> Yes, but as the half life of U235 is 703,800,000 years there would be > no point in trying to slow down its decay :)
> There is no way WvB lectured on the subject, it is not only a > ridiculous subject to talk about but it is also way outside his area > of expertise.
> The simple conclusion is that Suzanne has been caught out in another > of her lies. It certainly isn't the first time and I doubt it will be > the last.
You wish. You are the very same person that denied that Von Braun was jailed and you didn't sound like you even knew where it was, because you said it was something such as in a hotel. You suddenly had a friend who had been to the exact place. You didn't seem to know that it was in Poland. When that was provided, you acted like you knew that all along. Yet when you had been asked earlier, you did not reply.
> This was not a submarine and the rockets were provided to you > to read about in a URL that I already have given. The pigeon was > in the nosecone of a rocket.
He did not say it was a submarine. You DID NOT give a URL to a story about pigeons in the nosecone of a rocket. You did not even give a reference to a valid article. The pigeons *may* have been put into the nose cone of something that at some future date might have been attached to the front of a gliding bomb (The Pelican to be exact) but there does not seem to be any report of that. They never actually tested the device and it did not have any power. It was not a rocket.
>> to read about in a URL that I already have given. The pigeon was
>> in the nosecone of a rocket.
> As you can see from Skinner's own biography (that I cited), the letter > from the MoD and and the other articles, they never got as far as > firing one of these rockets,
<leila...@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Nov 8, 2:12 pm, Ralph Page <r...@PANTSralphpage.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:14:41 -0800 (PST), Suzanne
>> <leila...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >On Nov 6, 11:00 pm, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Nov 6, 6:53 pm, Suzanne <leila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Oct 30, 7:01 pm, carlip-nos...@physics.ucdavis.edu wrote:
>> >> So quite saying you attended a "class" You didn't.
>> >I did attend a class given by a guest lecturer, exactly as I have >> >said from the beginning. Trying to make an issue out of this is >> >just plain ludicrous.
>> You're correct that it's no big deal and I bet everyone (finally) >> figured out that you meant that you attended a lecture by WVB.
>> Your usage of 'class' is inconsistent with the definition (thanks to >> Miriam-Webster.com) of class and common usage here in the US:
>> Main Entry: 1class >> Pronunciation: \'klas\ >> Function: noun >> Usage: often attributive >> Etymology: French classe, from Latin classis group called to military >> service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at >> low >> Date: 1602 >> 1 a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject b >> : the period during which such a body meets c : a course of >> instruction d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation >> is the same
>> Note the word regularly in a).
>> Why not use the word lecture, which is actually correct?
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>The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that >they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to >hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the >class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming >to it. This was a class. The only time I attended this class was >when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
>Suzanne
Yes, as I mentioned above, it's not a big deal, I now know that you attended a single lecture rather than a course of instruction by WVB.
I was just pointing out that a single lecture by someone is not a class, it's a lecture. The fact that this lecture was integrated with a physics class is not relevant. Your dogged refusal to acknowledge this error is not a ringing endorsement of your capacity to learn. What have you gained by refusing to use the proper terminology? It makes you look stubborn and incapable of accepting the most trivial correction.
> > > > >> > > > You guys are confused. I originally said that I had attended a class > > > > >> > > > at the University of Texas in Austin, that was taught by Dr. WVB.
> > > > >> > > OK, there's a problem in terminology here. The thing you described > > > > >> > > in your response to me previous question -- a public lecture by a > > > > >> > > guest speaker -- is not a "class," and the thing the speaker is doing > > > > >> > > is not "teaching," as these terms are used in universities.
> > > > >> > > When you say, "I had attended a class...that was taught by Dr. WVB," > > > > >> > > that phrase has certain implications: that it was a course (not a > > > > >> > > one-time event), that it was part of a regular curriculum, that > > > > >> > > you got (or at least could have gotten) a grade. A class and a public > > > > >> > > lecture (perhaps called a "colloquium") are two very different things.
> > > > >> > > I don't think you are being deliberately misleading, but these words > > > > >> > > have definite meanings, and your misuse has caused a lot of confusion.
> > > > >> > I have not caused any confusion here at all, Steve. I've said all > > > > >> > along that > > > > >> > this was a class that was taught by a guest lecturer. None of my > > > > >> > accusers > > > > >> > had any trouble at all understanding what had been said about the > > > > >> > guest > > > > >> > lecture class until rather recently, and that was only in the capacity > > > > >> > of just > > > > >> > messing with me.
> > > > >> > > > I said that the subject that he was teaching on
> > > > >> > > Say "lecturing on" or "talking about."
> > > > >> > They are not confused, Steve.
> > > > >> > > > was "The Half-Life of Uranium 235 in the Cyclotron."
> > > > >> > > Here there are two possibilities -- either you've remembered this wrong, > > > > >> > > or he was an idiot.
> > > > >> > I have not rememnbered this wrong and someone such as Dr. Von Braun is > > > > >> > certainly not an idiot.
> > > > >> > > It's possible that he talked about U235. He may very well have mentioned > > > > >> > > the use of cyclotron-like machines ("calutrons") to isolate that isotope > > > > >> > > -- not the best technology even at that time, but not a silly topic). But > > > > >> > > there is nothing of any interest at all about the half-life of U235 *in* a > > > > >> > > cyclotron.
> > > > >> > > The half-life of U235 is about 700 million years. While there would be > > > > >> > > some relativistic effects if it were raised to a high enough speed in a > > > > >> > > cyclotron, the half-life is far, far too long to allow an observation of > > > > >> > > those effects. If he were talking about half-lives in cyclotrons, focusing > > > > >> > > on U235 would be really stupid.
> > > > >> > > Talking about "the half-life of U235 in a cyclotron" makes about as much > > > > >> > > sense as talking about "the half-life of U235 on a mvie sound stage." > > > > >> > > The half-life of U235 in interesting, cyclotrons are interesting, but the > > > > >> > > two have nothing to do with each other.
> > > > >> > > Steve Carlip
> > > > >> > In the 50's this was very interesting to physics students at that > > > > >> > time, > > > > >> > that were in attendance.
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> > > > >> So quite saying you attended a "class" You didn't.
> > > > >I did attend a class given by a guest lecturer, exactly as I have > > > > >said from the beginning. Trying to make an issue out of this is > > > > >just plain ludicrous.
> > > > You're correct that it's no big deal and I bet everyone (finally) > > > > figured out that you meant that you attended a lecture by WVB.
> > > > Your usage of 'class' is inconsistent with the definition (thanks to > > > > Miriam-Webster.com) of class and common usage here in the US:
> > > > Main Entry: 1class > > > > Pronunciation: \'klas\ > > > > Function: noun > > > > Usage: often attributive > > > > Etymology: French classe, from Latin classis group called to military > > > > service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at > > > > low > > > > Date: 1602 > > > > 1 a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject b > > > > : the period during which such a body meets c : a course of > > > > instruction d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation > > > > is the same
> > > > Note the word regularly in a).
> > > > Why not use the word lecture, which is actually correct?
> > > > >> Historic records of Egypt, China and Mesopotamia showing no Noahic > > > > >> Flood occured.
> > > > >Thanks but these websites accomodate the flood, since the first > > > > >mentions Jared, and Mahalaleel, the second mentions Gilgamesh, > > > > >plus the Chinese Emperor Yao from the flood. The third mentions > > > > >the cities that Noah was from, which is Ur.
> > > > >Chinese records which I have previously produced, mention the > > > > >"border sacrifice" on the nw border of China which is the first > > > > >sacrifice from the flood of the one true God. Didn't you even read > > > > >the websites that were provided? The Chinese people are taught > > > > >that they came from the flood.
> > > > >Suzanne
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> > > The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that > > > they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to > > > hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the > > > class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming > > > to it. This was a class. The only time I attended this class was > > > when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
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> Isn't that interesting. I say something and then you insist that it > can't > be the truth. But when I say it is as I have told you, then you claim > that it is "locked in stone" and that I won't change my mind. Are you > unaware that people can see through that sort of tactic? If someone > tells you something, there is no reason why they should change it > just because you never believe anything. You are the one that is > set in stone. But you try to turn it against me, like I am the one > that > has not told the truth.
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Stick to the point. Do those records show a continuous, unbroken record of the areas having been populated through the Floode or not? Don't come with that BS that because a person or place was mentioned it proves the bible.
> On Nov 9, 2:48 pm, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:11:48 -0700, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> enriched > > this group when s/he wrote:
> > >On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:14:38 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> > > >wrote:
> > >>Due to his lack of security clearance WvB had nothing to do with > > >>anything nuclear in the USA. Due to his fame as a rocket engineer he > > >>did do a lot of promotional work for NASA, including student lectures. > > >>However, I can find no record whatsoever of him EVER lecturing on any > > >>other subject - and most certainly not on the totally ridiculous idea > > >>of "The Half Life Of U235 In A Cyclotron".
> > >There is a circumstance where half-life in a cyclotron might be > > >meaningful.
> > For short lived products, sure. For U235 no.
> > >If a radioactive particle were speeded up in a > > >partical accelerator rleativistic effects would cause the half > > >life to increase. Unfortunately, although it would work, > > >half-life is a bulk effect for many atoms taken together and it > > >would be nearly impossible to determine the new half life for a > > >singel or only a few atoms when the decay would still be a random > > >event. Not to mention that a cyclotron would be a bad choice > > >because of centripetal effects; the Stanford Linear Accelerator > > >would be better.
> > Yes, but as the half life of U235 is 703,800,000 years there would be > > no point in trying to slow down its decay :)
> > There is no way WvB lectured on the subject, it is not only a > > ridiculous subject to talk about but it is also way outside his area > > of expertise.
> > The simple conclusion is that Suzanne has been caught out in another > > of her lies. It certainly isn't the first time and I doubt it will be > > the last.
> You wish. You are the very same person that denied that > Von Braun was jailed and you didn't sound like you even > knew where it was, because you said it was something > such as in a hotel. You suddenly had a friend who had been > to the exact place. You didn't seem to know that it was in > Poland. When that was provided, you acted like you knew > that all along. Yet when you had been asked earlier, you > did not reply.
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Speaking of people not answering a question. I have asked you _repeatedly_ this: Just how long did you get to talk to vB when you went through that receiving line. I'll remind you that the first time you mentioned it you talked as if you and he had a one-on-one in private.
> > >> >> > > > You guys are confused. I originally said that I had attended a class > > >> >> > > > at the University of Texas in Austin, that was taught by Dr. WVB.
> > >> >> > > OK, there's a problem in terminology here. The thing you described > > >> >> > > in your response to me previous question -- a public lecture by a > > >> >> > > guest speaker -- is not a "class," and the thing the speaker is doing > > >> >> > > is not "teaching," as these terms are used in universities.
> > >> >> > > When you say, "I had attended a class...that was taught by Dr. WVB," > > >> >> > > that phrase has certain implications: that it was a course (not a > > >> >> > > one-time event), that it was part of a regular curriculum, that > > >> >> > > you got (or at least could have gotten) a grade. A class and a public > > >> >> > > lecture (perhaps called a "colloquium") are two very different things.
> > >> >> > > I don't think you are being deliberately misleading, but these words > > >> >> > > have definite meanings, and your misuse has caused a lot of confusion.
> > >> >> > I have not caused any confusion here at all, Steve. I've said all > > >> >> > along that > > >> >> > this was a class that was taught by a guest lecturer. None of my > > >> >> > accusers > > >> >> > had any trouble at all understanding what had been said about the > > >> >> > guest > > >> >> > lecture class until rather recently, and that was only in the capacity > > >> >> > of just > > >> >> > messing with me.
> > >> >> > > > I said that the subject that he was teaching on
> > >> >> > > Say "lecturing on" or "talking about."
> > >> >> > They are not confused, Steve.
> > >> >> > > > was "The Half-Life of Uranium 235 in the Cyclotron."
> > >> >> > > Here there are two possibilities -- either you've remembered this wrong, > > >> >> > > or he was an idiot.
> > >> >> > I have not rememnbered this wrong and someone such as Dr. Von Braun is > > >> >> > certainly not an idiot.
> > >> >> > > It's possible that he talked about U235. He may very well have mentioned > > >> >> > > the use of cyclotron-like machines ("calutrons") to isolate that isotope > > >> >> > > -- not the best technology even at that time, but not a silly topic). But > > >> >> > > there is nothing of any interest at all about the half-life of U235 *in* a > > >> >> > > cyclotron.
> > >> >> > > The half-life of U235 is about 700 million years. While there would be > > >> >> > > some relativistic effects if it were raised to a high enough speed in a > > >> >> > > cyclotron, the half-life is far, far too long to allow an observation of > > >> >> > > those effects. If he were talking about half-lives in cyclotrons, focusing > > >> >> > > on U235 would be really stupid.
> > >> >> > > Talking about "the half-life of U235 in a cyclotron" makes about as much > > >> >> > > sense as talking about "the half-life of U235 on a mvie sound stage." > > >> >> > > The half-life of U235 in interesting, cyclotrons are interesting, but the > > >> >> > > two have nothing to do with each other.
> > >> >> > > Steve Carlip
> > >> >> > In the 50's this was very interesting to physics students at that > > >> >> > time, > > >> >> > that were in attendance.
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> > >> >> So quite saying you attended a "class" You didn't.
> > >> >I did attend a class given by a guest lecturer, exactly as I have > > >> >said from the beginning. Trying to make an issue out of this is > > >> >just plain ludicrous.
> > >> You're correct that it's no big deal and I bet everyone (finally) > > >> figured out that you meant that you attended a lecture by WVB.
> > >> Your usage of 'class' is inconsistent with the definition (thanks to > > >> Miriam-Webster.com) of class and common usage here in the US:
> > >> Main Entry: 1class > > >> Pronunciation: \'klas\ > > >> Function: noun > > >> Usage: often attributive > > >> Etymology: French classe, from Latin classis group called to military > > >> service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at > > >> low > > >> Date: 1602 > > >> 1 a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject b > > >> : the period during which such a body meets c : a course of > > >> instruction d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation > > >> is the same
> > >> Note the word regularly in a).
> > >> Why not use the word lecture, which is actually correct?
> > >> >> Historic records of Egypt, China and Mesopotamia showing no Noahic > > >> >> Flood occured.
> > >> >Thanks but these websites accomodate the flood, since the first > > >> >mentions Jared, and Mahalaleel, the second mentions Gilgamesh, > > >> >plus the Chinese Emperor Yao from the flood. The third mentions > > >> >the cities that Noah was from, which is Ur.
> > >> >Chinese records which I have previously produced, mention the > > >> >"border sacrifice" on the nw border of China which is the first > > >> >sacrifice from the flood of the one true God. Didn't you even read > > >> >the websites that were provided? The Chinese people are taught > > >> >that they came from the flood.
> > >> >Suzanne
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> > >The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that > > >they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to > > >hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the > > >class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming > > >to it. This was a class.
> > But you did not attend the class, you attended the lecture. Your > > understanding of the English language is very poor.
> > > The only time I attended this class was > > >when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
> > >Suzanne
> > Now. Back to the important part.
> > Due to his lack of security clearance WvB had nothing to do with > > anything nuclear in the USA. Due to his fame as a rocket engineer he > > did do a lot of promotional work for NASA, including student lectures. > > However, I can find no record whatsoever of him EVER lecturing on any > > other subject - and most certainly not on the totally ridiculous idea > > of "The Half Life Of U235 In A Cyclotron".
> > As pointed out to you by several people, the whole idea of such a > > lecture would be totally mad. I'm positive that this is another of > > your inventions - like seeing Nikita Khrushchev live at the UN banging > > his shoe and saying he will "bury you" to the USA.
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> I went to a physics class that had a guest lecturer. The class was > held > in a larger classroom, not in an auditorium, it was a gallery > classroom, > if you know what that is. If you do not like that, that's just plain > too bad. > I'm not going to change what happened just to accomodate your very > strange mischief. If you go back in the thread, you can read that I > said > that it was a gallery classroom in the very beginning of this > subject. > You appear to just be up to mischief. I have told you what the > lecture > was about. For you to go dredge up Nikita Krushchev's banging his > shoe incident, which is something that did happen for real, shows that > you are really desparate, since that is simply not relative to a > physics > class in which a guest lecturer came to teach.
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I believe my comment about "locked in stone" not only applies here, it is printed in flaming letters across the sky.
Every time we challenge you on this point, you add more detail trying to justify "class". We are now down to a bunch of students attending a guest lecture...that is a class. The people who wandered in an listened, did not sign up, did not get a grade, did not get credit were at a lecture.
But don't let us stop you from butchering the English language just so you don't have to (once again) admit you were wrong to say "I attended a class".
To repeates. The STUDENTS attended a class. YOU attended a lecture.
> > > > >> > > > You guys are confused. I originally said that I had attended a class > > > > >> > > > at the University of Texas in Austin, that was taught by Dr. WVB.
> > > > >> > > OK, there's a problem in terminology here. The thing you described > > > > >> > > in your response to me previous question -- a public lecture by a > > > > >> > > guest speaker -- is not a "class," and the thing the speaker is doing > > > > >> > > is not "teaching," as these terms are used in universities.
> > > > >> > > When you say, "I had attended a class...that was taught by Dr. WVB," > > > > >> > > that phrase has certain implications: that it was a course (not a > > > > >> > > one-time event), that it was part of a regular curriculum, that > > > > >> > > you got (or at least could have gotten) a grade. A class and a public > > > > >> > > lecture (perhaps called a "colloquium") are two very different things.
> > > > >> > > I don't think you are being deliberately misleading, but these words > > > > >> > > have definite meanings, and your misuse has caused a lot of confusion.
> > > > >> > I have not caused any confusion here at all, Steve. I've said all > > > > >> > along that > > > > >> > this was a class that was taught by a guest lecturer. None of my > > > > >> > accusers > > > > >> > had any trouble at all understanding what had been said about the > > > > >> > guest > > > > >> > lecture class until rather recently, and that was only in the capacity > > > > >> > of just > > > > >> > messing with me.
> > > > >> > > > I said that the subject that he was teaching on
> > > > >> > > Say "lecturing on" or "talking about."
> > > > >> > They are not confused, Steve.
> > > > >> > > > was "The Half-Life of Uranium 235 in the Cyclotron."
> > > > >> > > Here there are two possibilities -- either you've remembered this wrong, > > > > >> > > or he was an idiot.
> > > > >> > I have not rememnbered this wrong and someone such as Dr. Von Braun is > > > > >> > certainly not an idiot.
> > > > >> > > It's possible that he talked about U235. He may very well have mentioned > > > > >> > > the use of cyclotron-like machines ("calutrons") to isolate that isotope > > > > >> > > -- not the best technology even at that time, but not a silly topic). But > > > > >> > > there is nothing of any interest at all about the half-life of U235 *in* a > > > > >> > > cyclotron.
> > > > >> > > The half-life of U235 is about 700 million years. While there would be > > > > >> > > some relativistic effects if it were raised to a high enough speed in a > > > > >> > > cyclotron, the half-life is far, far too long to allow an observation of > > > > >> > > those effects. If he were talking about half-lives in cyclotrons, focusing > > > > >> > > on U235 would be really stupid.
> > > > >> > > Talking about "the half-life of U235 in a cyclotron" makes about as much > > > > >> > > sense as talking about "the half-life of U235 on a mvie sound stage." > > > > >> > > The half-life of U235 in interesting, cyclotrons are interesting, but the > > > > >> > > two have nothing to do with each other.
> > > > >> > > Steve Carlip
> > > > >> > In the 50's this was very interesting to physics students at that > > > > >> > time, > > > > >> > that were in attendance.
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> > > > >> So quite saying you attended a "class" You didn't.
> > > > >I did attend a class given by a guest lecturer, exactly as I have > > > > >said from the beginning. Trying to make an issue out of this is > > > > >just plain ludicrous.
> > > > You're correct that it's no big deal and I bet everyone (finally) > > > > figured out that you meant that you attended a lecture by WVB.
> > > > Your usage of 'class' is inconsistent with the definition (thanks to > > > > Miriam-Webster.com) of class and common usage here in the US:
> > > > Main Entry: 1class > > > > Pronunciation: \'klas\ > > > > Function: noun > > > > Usage: often attributive > > > > Etymology: French classe, from Latin classis group called to military > > > > service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at > > > > low > > > > Date: 1602 > > > > 1 a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject b > > > > : the period during which such a body meets c : a course of > > > > instruction d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation > > > > is the same
> > > > Note the word regularly in a).
> > > > Why not use the word lecture, which is actually correct?
> > > > >> Historic records of Egypt, China and Mesopotamia showing no Noahic > > > > >> Flood occured.
> > > > >Thanks but these websites accomodate the flood, since the first > > > > >mentions Jared, and Mahalaleel, the second mentions Gilgamesh, > > > > >plus the Chinese Emperor Yao from the flood. The third mentions > > > > >the cities that Noah was from, which is Ur.
> > > > >Chinese records which I have previously produced, mention the > > > > >"border sacrifice" on the nw border of China which is the first > > > > >sacrifice from the flood of the one true God. Didn't you even read > > > > >the websites that were provided? The Chinese people are taught > > > > >that they came from the flood.
> > > > >Suzanne
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> > > The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that > > > they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to > > > hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the > > > class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming > > > to it. This was a class. The only time I attended this class was > > > when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
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> > And here you have Suzanne at her best. Once she says something it is > > locked in stone, never to be changed, no matter how wrong she is.
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> Isn't that interesting. I say something and then you insist that it > can't > be the truth. But when I say it is as I have told you, then you claim > that it is "locked in stone" and that I won't change my mind. Are you > unaware that people can see through that sort of tactic? If someone > tells you something, there is no reason why they should change it > just because you never believe anything. You are the one that is > set in stone. But you try to turn it against me, like I am the one > that > has not told the truth.
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Ignore my prior, I got out of sequence.
You _are_ the one who is telling a lie. It has been repeatedly explained to you and only obstinate stubborness is keepign you from admitting it.
>> > The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that >> > they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to >> > hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the >> > class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming >> > to it. This was a class. The only time I attended this class was >> > when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
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>> And here you have Suzanne at her best. Once she says something it is >> locked in stone, never to be changed, no matter how wrong she is.
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>Isn't that interesting. I say something and then you insist that it >can't >be the truth.
And he is correct. The claims you have made cannot be true.
>But when I say it is as I have told you, then you claim >that it is "locked in stone" and that I won't change my mind. Are you >unaware that people can see through that sort of tactic? If someone >tells you something, there is no reason why they should change it
Oh there is very good reason to change it - to avoid being seen as a liar.
If, when your error was first point out, you had said something like "Oh sorry, looks like I got that wrong, it was a long time ago." Then maybe you would look like an honest person.
>just because you never believe anything.
It is very hard to believe anything you post. We know you have a very active imagination AND a great propensity to lying.
> You are the one that is >set in stone. But you try to turn it against me, like I am the one >that >has not told the truth.
That is correct, you are the one that lied.
>Suzanne
-- Bob.
People may not always remember exactly what you said, but they will always remember just how bright you made them feel.
>On Nov 9, 2:48 pm, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote: >> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:11:48 -0700, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> enriched >> this group when s/he wrote:
>> >On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:14:38 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> >> >wrote:
>> >>Due to his lack of security clearance WvB had nothing to do with >> >>anything nuclear in the USA. Due to his fame as a rocket engineer he >> >>did do a lot of promotional work for NASA, including student lectures. >> >>However, I can find no record whatsoever of him EVER lecturing on any >> >>other subject - and most certainly not on the totally ridiculous idea >> >>of "The Half Life Of U235 In A Cyclotron".
>> >There is a circumstance where half-life in a cyclotron might be >> >meaningful.
>> For short lived products, sure. For U235 no.
>> >If a radioactive particle were speeded up in a >> >partical accelerator rleativistic effects would cause the half >> >life to increase. Unfortunately, although it would work, >> >half-life is a bulk effect for many atoms taken together and it >> >would be nearly impossible to determine the new half life for a >> >singel or only a few atoms when the decay would still be a random >> >event. Not to mention that a cyclotron would be a bad choice >> >because of centripetal effects; the Stanford Linear Accelerator >> >would be better.
>> Yes, but as the half life of U235 is 703,800,000 years there would be >> no point in trying to slow down its decay :)
>> There is no way WvB lectured on the subject, it is not only a >> ridiculous subject to talk about but it is also way outside his area >> of expertise.
>> The simple conclusion is that Suzanne has been caught out in another >> of her lies. It certainly isn't the first time and I doubt it will be >> the last.
>You wish.
No.
> You are the very same person that denied that >Von Braun was jailed
He was not.
>and you didn't sound like you even >knew where it was, because you said it was something >such as in a hotel.
The room was in the Gestapo headquarters, it was used to house important visitors. As such it was a "guest" room.
>You suddenly had a friend who had been >to the exact place.
When I started asking around I did find someone who has been there.
> You didn't seem to know that it was in >Poland.
Liar!
>When that was provided, you acted like you knew >that all along.
Stupid woman.
>Yet when you had been asked earlier, you >did not reply.
Is it possible to get a post out of you that does not contain a lie?
>Suzanne
-- Bob.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid but you're abusing the privilege.
>On Nov 9, 4:14 am, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:23:31 -0800 (PST), Suzanne >> <leila...@hotmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>> >On Nov 8, 2:12 pm, Ralph Page <r...@PANTSralphpage.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:14:41 -0800 (PST), Suzanne
>> >> <leila...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On Nov 6, 11:00 pm, Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Nov 6, 6:53 pm, Suzanne <leila...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Oct 30, 7:01 pm, carlip-nos...@physics.ucdavis.edu wrote:
>> >> >> > > > You guys are confused. I originally said that I had attended a class >> >> >> > > > at the University of Texas in Austin, that was taught by Dr. WVB.
>> >> >> > > OK, there's a problem in terminology here. The thing you described >> >> >> > > in your response to me previous question -- a public lecture by a >> >> >> > > guest speaker -- is not a "class," and the thing the speaker is doing >> >> >> > > is not "teaching," as these terms are used in universities.
>> >> >> > > When you say, "I had attended a class...that was taught by Dr. WVB," >> >> >> > > that phrase has certain implications: that it was a course (not a >> >> >> > > one-time event), that it was part of a regular curriculum, that >> >> >> > > you got (or at least could have gotten) a grade. A class and a public >> >> >> > > lecture (perhaps called a "colloquium") are two very different things.
>> >> >> > > I don't think you are being deliberately misleading, but these words >> >> >> > > have definite meanings, and your misuse has caused a lot of confusion.
>> >> >> > I have not caused any confusion here at all, Steve. I've said all >> >> >> > along that >> >> >> > this was a class that was taught by a guest lecturer. None of my >> >> >> > accusers >> >> >> > had any trouble at all understanding what had been said about the >> >> >> > guest >> >> >> > lecture class until rather recently, and that was only in the capacity >> >> >> > of just >> >> >> > messing with me.
>> >> >> > > > I said that the subject that he was teaching on
>> >> >> > > Say "lecturing on" or "talking about."
>> >> >> > They are not confused, Steve.
>> >> >> > > > was "The Half-Life of Uranium 235 in the Cyclotron."
>> >> >> > > Here there are two possibilities -- either you've remembered this wrong, >> >> >> > > or he was an idiot.
>> >> >> > I have not rememnbered this wrong and someone such as Dr. Von Braun is >> >> >> > certainly not an idiot.
>> >> >> > > It's possible that he talked about U235. He may very well have mentioned >> >> >> > > the use of cyclotron-like machines ("calutrons") to isolate that isotope >> >> >> > > -- not the best technology even at that time, but not a silly topic). But >> >> >> > > there is nothing of any interest at all about the half-life of U235 *in* a >> >> >> > > cyclotron.
>> >> >> > > The half-life of U235 is about 700 million years. While there would be >> >> >> > > some relativistic effects if it were raised to a high enough speed in a >> >> >> > > cyclotron, the half-life is far, far too long to allow an observation of >> >> >> > > those effects. If he were talking about half-lives in cyclotrons, focusing >> >> >> > > on U235 would be really stupid.
>> >> >> > > Talking about "the half-life of U235 in a cyclotron" makes about as much >> >> >> > > sense as talking about "the half-life of U235 on a mvie sound stage." >> >> >> > > The half-life of U235 in interesting, cyclotrons are interesting, but the >> >> >> > > two have nothing to do with each other.
>> >> >> > > Steve Carlip
>> >> >> > In the 50's this was very interesting to physics students at that >> >> >> > time, >> >> >> > that were in attendance.
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>> >> >> So quite saying you attended a "class" You didn't.
>> >> >I did attend a class given by a guest lecturer, exactly as I have >> >> >said from the beginning. Trying to make an issue out of this is >> >> >just plain ludicrous.
>> >> You're correct that it's no big deal and I bet everyone (finally) >> >> figured out that you meant that you attended a lecture by WVB.
>> >> Your usage of 'class' is inconsistent with the definition (thanks to >> >> Miriam-Webster.com) of class and common usage here in the US:
>> >> Main Entry: 1class >> >> Pronunciation: \'klas\ >> >> Function: noun >> >> Usage: often attributive >> >> Etymology: French classe, from Latin classis group called to military >> >> service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at >> >> low >> >> Date: 1602 >> >> 1 a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject b >> >> : the period during which such a body meets c : a course of >> >> instruction d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation >> >> is the same
>> >> Note the word regularly in a).
>> >> Why not use the word lecture, which is actually correct?
>> >> >> Historic records of Egypt, China and Mesopotamia showing no Noahic >> >> >> Flood occured.
>> >> >Thanks but these websites accomodate the flood, since the first >> >> >mentions Jared, and Mahalaleel, the second mentions Gilgamesh, >> >> >plus the Chinese Emperor Yao from the flood. The third mentions >> >> >the cities that Noah was from, which is Ur.
>> >> >Chinese records which I have previously produced, mention the >> >> >"border sacrifice" on the nw border of China which is the first >> >> >sacrifice from the flood of the one true God. Didn't you even read >> >> >the websites that were provided? The Chinese people are taught >> >> >that they came from the flood.
>> >> >Suzanne
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>> >The physics class invited a guest lecturer but the class room that >> >they usually met in would not accomodate all that would want to >> >hear this man speak so a larger room was obtained in which the >> >class could meet, but they would not prevent others from coming >> >to it. This was a class.
>> But you did not attend the class, you attended the lecture. Your >> understanding of the English language is very poor.
>> > The only time I attended this class was >> >when this man spoke. Now, get over it already.
>> >Suzanne
>> Now. Back to the important part.
>> Due to his lack of security clearance WvB had nothing to do with >> anything nuclear in the USA. Due to his fame as a rocket engineer he >> did do a lot of promotional work for NASA, including student lectures. >> However, I can find no record whatsoever of him EVER lecturing on any >> other subject - and most certainly not on the totally ridiculous idea >> of "The Half Life Of U235 In A Cyclotron".
>> As pointed out to you by several people, the whole idea of such a >> lecture would be totally mad. I'm positive that this is another of >> your inventions - like seeing Nikita Khrushchev live at the UN banging >> his shoe and saying he will "bury you" to the USA.
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>I went to a physics class
That was not a class at all.
> that had a guest lecturer. The class was >held >in a larger classroom, not in an auditorium, it was a gallery >classroom, >if you know what that is.
Sounds like a lecture hall to me.
> If you do not like that, that's just plain >too bad. >I'm not going to change what happened just to accomodate your very >strange mischief.
No mischief at all.
>If you go back in the thread, you can read that I >said >that it was a gallery classroom
Sure, as you were pressed more and more you invented an extra detail.
>in the very beginning of this >subject.
You lying little cretin - it wasn't until late October that the word "gallery" appears in any of your posts. Now how many months has your stupidity over this mythical lecture been going on?
>You appear to just be up to mischief. I have told you what the >lecture
So now you accept it was a lecture and not a class. Progress at last.
>was about.
Yes, and that part is almost as impossible to believe as you claims to have got WvB's whole life story on the day.
> For you to go dredge up Nikita Krushchev's banging his >shoe incident, which is something that did happen for real,
It did. However, your claims to have seen it live on TV were exposed as a lie. Just as your claim that WvB lectured on "The Half Life Of U235 In The Cyclotron" now also stands exposed as a lie.
>shows that >you are really desparate, since that is simply not relative to a >physics >class
FFS you stupid woman - it was NOT a class. How many more times do you need to be corrected on that?
> in which a guest lecturer came to teach.
Something I am now confident did not actually happen.
>Suzanne
-- Bob.
You have not been charged for this lesson - learn from it rather than continuing to make a fool of yourself.
On Nov 9, 8:30 pm, "Mike Painter" <md.pain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Burkhard wrote:
> >> to read about in a URL that I already have given. The pigeon was>> in the nosecone of a rocket.
> > As you can see from Skinner's own biography (that I cited), the letter > > from the MoD and and the other articles, they never got as far as > > firing one of these rockets,
If you "can't find" anything else, that's just too bad. The time that I was referring to was way back 50 years ago and I doubt if you will find a lecture online from that long ago. The fact that you can't find anything is hardly impressive.
> > This was not a submarine and the rockets were provided to you > > to read about in a URL that I already have given. The pigeon was > > in the nosecone of a rocket.
> He did not say it was a submarine. > You DID NOT give a URL to a story about pigeons in the nosecone of a rocket. > You did not even give a reference to a valid article. > The pigeons *may* have been put into the nose cone of something that at > some future date might have been attached to the front of a gliding bomb > (The Pelican to be exact) but there does not seem to be any report of that. > They never actually tested the device and it did not have any power. > It was not a rocket.
You are just trying to mess with what someone says, Mike. Your words are fodder for trolls.
> >> >> So quite saying you attended a "class" You didn't.
> >> >I did attend a class given by a guest lecturer, exactly as I have > >> >said from the beginning. Trying to make an issue out of this is > >> >just plain ludicrous.
> >> You're correct that it's no big deal and I bet everyone (finally) > >> figured out that you meant that you attended a lecture by WVB.
> >> Your usage of 'class' is inconsistent with the definition (thanks to > >> Miriam-Webster.com) of class and common usage here in the US:
> >> Main Entry: 1class > >> Pronunciation: \'klas\ > >> Function: noun > >> Usage: often attributive > >> Etymology: French classe, from Latin classis group called to military > >> service, fleet, class; perhaps akin to Latin calare to call — more at > >> low > >> Date: 1602 > >> 1 a : a body of students meeting regularly to study the same subject b > >> : the period during which such a body meets c : a course of > >> instruction d : a body of students or alumni whose year of graduation > >> is the same
> >> Note the word regularly in a).
> >> Why not use the word lecture, which is actually correct?
> <snipping links and history references>
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> >Suzanne
> Yes, as I mentioned above, it's not a big deal, I now know that you > attended a single lecture rather than a course of instruction by WVB.
No, this is not correct and that is not what I have said. It was a class that was taught by a guest lecturer. We were doing more than just getting our ears tickled, we were being taught.
> I was just pointing out that a single lecture by someone is not a > class, it's a lecture. The fact that this lecture was integrated with > a physics class is not relevant. > Your dogged refusal to acknowledge this error is not a ringing > endorsement of your capacity to learn. What have you gained by > refusing to use the proper terminology? It makes you look stubborn > and incapable of accepting the most trivial correction.
> -Ralph Page
I am not the one with some kind of "dogged refusal to acknowledge" something. It is you and the other trolls that are trying to play havoc with a Christian who has told you something. It is the few of you that are the ones who have the determination to refuse to quit your nonsense. You are not ruffling my feathers, just frustrating your own efforts.
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