> On 8 Nov, 19:13, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 12:46 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 9:06 am, RAM <ramather...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 10:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > > > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > > > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > > > > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > > > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > > > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > > > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > > > > Books.
> > > > > Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on > > > > > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the > > > > > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, > > > > > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, > > > > > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel > > > > > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. > > > > > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain > > > > > kills Abel.
> > > > > Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the > > > > > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only > > > > > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who > > > > > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The > > > > > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's > > > > > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses > > > > > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into > > > > > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," > > > > > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that > > > > > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis > > > > > account.
> > > > > "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their > > > > > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles > > > > > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson > > > > > said.
> > > > > "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, > > > > > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying > > > > > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > > > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to > > > > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he > > > > > added.
> > > > > "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon > > > > > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the > > > > > book for special recognition during its small press celebration > > > > > throughout March.
> > > > > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. > > > > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > > > > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > > > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> > > > > The ancients do not lie.
> > > > It is very silly. Very imaginative but very silly nonetheless. It > > > > appeals to the religious fanatic who willing distorts anything to > > > > confirm his religious biases.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > Could we expect a Darwinist to say anything else?
> > > Ray
> > Of course not. Because "Evolutionist Double Standard # 45" says all > > evolutionist must refuse any evidence that does not come from their > > Gods: Darwin and Dawkins
> > They will turn a blind eye to evidence which clearly shows another > > culture outside of the Hebrew culture who knew about Kain, Adam, Seth > > and Noah.
> > Why?
> > Because that would mean the Bible = True and Evolution = false.
> Of course not. Even if the interpretation were true, it would simply > mean that the Greek depicted a foreign myth. Incorporation of foreign > myth in one's own culture is extremely frequent. see J.F. Bierlein, > Parallel Myths (Ballantine, 1994
> and that leaves alone the problem that even in this unsupported > interpretation, the bible account would be shown false, not true.
Nonsense. The greeks have the story for the exact reason outlined in the article. But you do not like that. So you went and found someone who agrees with you and then claim you are holding the truth.
> On Nov 8, 2:35 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I > > <ap...@email.com> wrote in > > <a02eb04b-899a-4957-82a0-7294c29ec...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
> > [snip]
> > >In the Book of Enoch there is a passage that tells about the fallen > > >angels and how they taught men various skills, from swords to sorcery. > > >Included in the list, it says that, "Baraqijal taught astrology, > > >Kokabel taught the constellations."
> > But don't you say that the fallen angles are actually > > extraterrestrials?
> > >Astrology is Satan's counterfeit for "life guidance". Satan's > > >counterfeits are always self-oriented. His message through astrology > > >is that your internal "clock," which began with the star alignment at > > >your birth, governs your life.
> > Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
> > >If you apply this information properly, > > >"You can "do" life on your own, you don't need God." Not needing God > > >to have all His Knowledge and Power has been Satan's tactic since > > >Eden.
> > [snip]
> That is quite a possibility. They came from "the heavens" and God is > in "heaven". How else is an ancient man to describe an ET? But this > does not mean man's version of ET like we see in the movies with space > ships and ray guns and all that.
So, now "god" is a Vorlon?
> It would also go a long way in explaining why man can see Angels and > why some have talked to God
So, you're abandoning the whole "god created the earth" thing?
All-Seeing-I wrote: > On Nov 8, 2:58 pm, Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
<snip>
>> Of course not. Even if the interpretation were true, it would simply >> mean that the Greek depicted a foreign myth. Incorporation of foreign >> myth in one's own culture is extremely frequent. see J.F. Bierlein, >> Parallel Myths (Ballantine, 1994
>> and that leaves alone the problem that even in this unsupported >> interpretation, the bible account would be shown false, not true.
> Nonsense. The greeks have the story for the exact reason outlined in > the article. But you do not like that. So you went and found someone > who agrees with you and then claim you are holding the truth.
Forgive me, but isn't that *exactly* what you did?
> All-Seeing-I wrote: > > On Nov 8, 9:50 am, wf3h <w...@vsswireless.net> wrote: > >> On Nov 8, 8:34 am, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
> >>> Any idiot can memorize a book. But to piece together the puzzle of > >>> truth takes skill, patience and dedication. You dumb asses do not show > >>> a propensity toward any of those skills. But, you do a nice job > >>> parroting from your books quite nicely- > >> and to make up what's not in the book...creationism...takes a special > >> type of delusion
> > It is not *my fault you cannot read three books and draw an > > independent conclusion from corelation.
> Tell me something, [M]adape. I know that you do not consider that > *every* book ever written is true. What standard should apply to > determine whether any specific book is true or not?
That's easy. The older the book, the more TRUE(TM) it is.
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:54:14 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote in <0e86d66e-2a78-4c02-b78a-816d69906...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> :
>On Nov 8, 2:35 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I >> <ap...@email.com> wrote in >> <a02eb04b-899a-4957-82a0-7294c29ec...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
>> [snip]
>> >In the Book of Enoch there is a passage that tells about the fallen >> >angels and how they taught men various skills, from swords to sorcery. >> >Included in the list, it says that, "Baraqijal taught astrology, >> >Kokabel taught the constellations."
>> But don't you say that the fallen angles are actually >> extraterrestrials?
>> >Astrology is Satan's counterfeit for "life guidance". Satan's >> >counterfeits are always self-oriented. His message through astrology >> >is that your internal "clock," which began with the star alignment at >> >your birth, governs your life.
>> Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
>> >If you apply this information properly, >> >"You can "do" life on your own, you don't need God." Not needing God >> >to have all His Knowledge and Power has been Satan's tactic since >> >Eden.
>> [snip]
>That is quite a possibility.
But you didn't say that it was a possibility, you said that "They were extraterrestrial". Were they or not? Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
>They came from "the heavens" and God is >in "heaven". How else is an ancient man to describe an ET? But this >does not mean man's version of ET like we see in the movies with space >ships and ray guns and all that.
Who said anything about ray guns?
>It would also go a long way in explaining why man can see Angels and >why some have talked to God.
> On Nov 7, 11:53 am, Reddfrogg <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 9:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > > Books.
> > snipping Woo-Woo press release.
> > > OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
> > Out of what? The "interpretations" made by the author are rather > > fanciful, and hardly credible.
> > > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
> > Which should indicate that the claims made by the author of this work > > are suspect.
> > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > > thousands of years old
> > No, like most mythologies, their stories are based on oral tradition, > > which often contains bits of facts, bits of fancy, and stuff made up > > from whole cloth.
> > > and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> > Several of the assumptions the author makes are suspect, including the > > claim that Centaurs were to represent Seth's linage, and that Noah is > > depicted as a merman. It's also interesting that according to you, > > all of Kain's race were killed off by "The Flood" but the ancient > > Greek's were supposedly trying to celebrate
> > "The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and > > to > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis,"
> > If Kain and all his descendants were killed in the "Flood", how did > > "the way of Kain" triumph over Noah?
> > > The ancients do not lie.
> > The ancients, like anyone else, liked a good story, and made up > > stories to explain things they didn't understand. There's no reason > > to think that the stories in ancient Greece had anything to do with > > the Noah story the Israelites borrowed from the Babylonians. Even > > if there is a link, it's more likely that the Greeks got it from the > > Babylonians than they got it from the much lesser known Israelites..
> > DJT
> None of you have addressed the fact that this is independent evidence > for Adam and his genealogy.
That's because it *isn't*. The Greeks were quite well connected to the Middle East. Paul of Tarsus was well known to be a Hellenized Jew. As usual, your facts are as wrong as your conclusions.
> Denial. It is not just a river in Egypt!!
No, it's a country, of which you are king.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 skyeyes nine at cox dot net
<boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >On Nov 8, 7:13 am, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote: >> You can run from the truth BoZo. But you cannot hide from it forever.
>Grow up.
I suspect he/she is as grown up as he/she will ever be.
-- ************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatu...@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
On 7 Nov, 16:56, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
It's fucking amazing what Creationists can believe.
Not only did the Greeks and the Judahites and the Israelites mix themselevs together up and down the Levant, there were Greek mercenaries ("Kittim") in the Hebrew armies at least as far back as -586 Gregorian Calendar (2,586 years ago).
Idiot.
-- http://desertphile.org Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
All-Seeing-I wrote: > On Nov 8, 2:58 pm, Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
snip
>> Of course not. Even if the interpretation were true, it would simply >> mean that the Greek depicted a foreign myth. Incorporation of foreign >> myth in one's own culture is extremely frequent. see J.F. Bierlein, >> Parallel Myths (Ballantine, 1994
>> and that leaves alone the problem that even in this unsupported >> interpretation, the bible account would be shown false, not true.
> Nonsense. The greeks have the story for the exact reason outlined in > the article.
So you say, but why should anyone believe you? Your track record is very poor when it comes to presenting actual facts. The interpretation your author gives is fanciful, and not well supported by any legitamate scholarship.
> But you do not like that. So you went and found someone > who agrees with you and then claim you are holding the truth.
Truly a moment when irony meters around the world fail......
All-Seeing-I wrote: > On Nov 7, 12:20 pm, "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
snip
>> Did you know that the word "gullible" is not in the Bible?
>> - Bob T.
> It is independent evidence for the Hebrew version not being the only > version.
Considering that the Hebrew version was pretty much stolen from the Babylonians, why isn't this 'independent evidence' for the Babylonian story? In any case, your author doesn't make a very good case for his claims. He merely asserts that such and such is so, and doesn't provide any reason to suspect he understands the issue.
> THAT makes it corroboration and shows the Hebrew version is not a > single made up story.
Again, the "Hebrew version" of the flood story is taken from the Babylonians. Either the Greeks heard the same story from the Babylonians (who were a much more influential culture) or, the statues don't have anything to do with the story your author presents. Both possibilities are much more likely than your own position.
> The Greeks would not have placed the story on such a building > otherwise.
Unless they weren't telling that story at all, but another more familiar story. Again, the connections your author makes with Cain, Abel, Noah, etc, are all very sketchy, and relies on the assumption that he wasn't mistaken. Do you have any evidence to suggest that his interpretation is better than actual Greek scholars and art historians?
> On Nov 7, 9:06 am, RAM <ramather...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 10:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > > Books.
> > > Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on > > > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the > > > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, > > > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, > > > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel > > > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. > > > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain > > > kills Abel.
> > > Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the > > > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only > > > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who > > > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The > > > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's > > > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses > > > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into > > > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," > > > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that > > > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis > > > account.
> > > "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their > > > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles > > > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson > > > said.
> > > "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, > > > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying > > > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to > > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he > > > added.
> > > "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon > > > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the > > > book for special recognition during its small press celebration > > > throughout March.
> > > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. > > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> > > The ancients do not lie.
> > It is very silly. Very imaginative but very silly nonetheless. It > > appeals to the religious fanatic who willing distorts anything to > > confirm his religious biases.- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> Could we expect a Darwinist to say anything else?
Yes. And I said it in my reply to Madman. Feel free to give me your answer to the question in that reply.
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:54:14 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I > <allseei...@usa.com> wrote in > <0e86d66e-2a78-4c02-b78a-816d69906...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> :
> >On Nov 8, 2:35 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I > >> <ap...@email.com> wrote in > >> <a02eb04b-899a-4957-82a0-7294c29ec...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
> >> [snip]
> >> >In the Book of Enoch there is a passage that tells about the fallen > >> >angels and how they taught men various skills, from swords to sorcery. > >> >Included in the list, it says that, "Baraqijal taught astrology, > >> >Kokabel taught the constellations."
> >> But don't you say that the fallen angles are actually > >> extraterrestrials?
> >> >Astrology is Satan's counterfeit for "life guidance". Satan's > >> >counterfeits are always self-oriented. His message through astrology > >> >is that your internal "clock," which began with the star alignment at > >> >your birth, governs your life.
> >> Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
> >> >If you apply this information properly, > >> >"You can "do" life on your own, you don't need God." Not needing God > >> >to have all His Knowledge and Power has been Satan's tactic since > >> >Eden.
> >> [snip]
> >That is quite a possibility.
> But you didn't say that it was a possibility, you said that "They were > extraterrestrial". Were they or not? Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
> >They came from "the heavens" and God is > >in "heaven". How else is an ancient man to describe an ET? But this > >does not mean man's version of ET like we see in the movies with space > >ships and ray guns and all that.
> Who said anything about ray guns?
> >It would also go a long way in explaining why man can see Angels and > >why some have talked to God.
> On Nov 8, 2:35 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I > > <ap...@email.com> wrote in > > <a02eb04b-899a-4957-82a0-7294c29ec...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
> > [snip]
> > >In the Book of Enoch there is a passage that tells about the fallen > > >angels and how they taught men various skills, from swords to sorcery. > > >Included in the list, it says that, "Baraqijal taught astrology, > > >Kokabel taught the constellations."
> > But don't you say that the fallen angles are actually > > extraterrestrials?
> > >Astrology is Satan's counterfeit for "life guidance". Satan's > > >counterfeits are always self-oriented. His message through astrology > > >is that your internal "clock," which began with the star alignment at > > >your birth, governs your life.
> > Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
> > >If you apply this information properly, > > >"You can "do" life on your own, you don't need God." Not needing God > > >to have all His Knowledge and Power has been Satan's tactic since > > >Eden.
> > [snip]
> That is quite a possibility. They came from "the heavens" and God is > in "heaven". How else is an ancient man to describe an ET? But this > does not mean man's version of ET like we see in the movies with space > ships and ray guns and all that.
> It would also go a long way in explaining why man can see Angels and > why some have talked to God.
Oh I'm sure you have talked to him but has he ever said anything back?
And have you seen Angels?
Also have you seen any extraterrestrials?
Finally did talk to them and did they say anything back?
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:19:20 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote in <e7c350cf-7020-4e59-ab4d-3bd01d3a7...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> :
>On Nov 8, 4:00 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:54:14 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I >> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote in >> <0e86d66e-2a78-4c02-b78a-816d69906...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> :
>> >On Nov 8, 2:35 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I >> >> <ap...@email.com> wrote in >> >> <a02eb04b-899a-4957-82a0-7294c29ec...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
>> >> [snip]
>> >> >In the Book of Enoch there is a passage that tells about the fallen >> >> >angels and how they taught men various skills, from swords to sorcery. >> >> >Included in the list, it says that, "Baraqijal taught astrology, >> >> >Kokabel taught the constellations."
>> >> But don't you say that the fallen angles are actually >> >> extraterrestrials?
>> >> >Astrology is Satan's counterfeit for "life guidance". Satan's >> >> >counterfeits are always self-oriented. His message through astrology >> >> >is that your internal "clock," which began with the star alignment at >> >> >your birth, governs your life.
>> >> Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
>> >> >If you apply this information properly, >> >> >"You can "do" life on your own, you don't need God." Not needing God >> >> >to have all His Knowledge and Power has been Satan's tactic since >> >> >Eden.
>> >> [snip]
>> >That is quite a possibility.
>> But you didn't say that it was a possibility, you said that "They were >> extraterrestrial". Were they or not? Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
>> >They came from "the heavens" and God is >> >in "heaven". How else is an ancient man to describe an ET? But this >> >does not mean man's version of ET like we see in the movies with space >> >ships and ray guns and all that.
>> Who said anything about ray guns?
>> >It would also go a long way in explaining why man can see Angels and >> >why some have talked to God.
>> Is God an extraterrestrial?
>Read and make your own conclusions.
I'm asking what *you* believe. Are you afraid to answer?
>On Nov 8, 2:35 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I >> <ap...@email.com> wrote in >> <a02eb04b-899a-4957-82a0-7294c29ec...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
>> [snip]
>> >In the Book of Enoch there is a passage that tells about the fallen >> >angels and how they taught men various skills, from swords to sorcery. >> >Included in the list, it says that, "Baraqijal taught astrology, >> >Kokabel taught the constellations."
>> But don't you say that the fallen angles are actually >> extraterrestrials?
>> >Astrology is Satan's counterfeit for "life guidance". Satan's >> >counterfeits are always self-oriented. His message through astrology >> >is that your internal "clock," which began with the star alignment at >> >your birth, governs your life.
>> Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
>> >If you apply this information properly, >> >"You can "do" life on your own, you don't need God." Not needing God >> >to have all His Knowledge and Power has been Satan's tactic since >> >Eden.
>> [snip]
>That is quite a possibility. They came from "the heavens" and God is >in "heaven". How else is an ancient man to describe an ET? But this >does not mean man's version of ET like we see in the movies with space >ships and ray guns and all that.
>It would also go a long way in explaining why man can see Angels and >why some have talked to God.
Since gods, angels, demons and all the rest are just fiction....
-- Bob.
If brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose.
>On Nov 8, 2:58 pm, Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk> wrote: >> On 8 Nov, 19:13, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 7, 12:46 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > On Nov 7, 9:06 am, RAM <ramather...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > On Nov 7, 10:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> > > > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT >> > > > > Edited by Debra Tone
>> > > > > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists >> > > > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the >> > > > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The >> > > > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light >> > > > > Books.
>> > > > > Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on >> > > > > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the >> > > > > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, >> > > > > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, >> > > > > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel >> > > > > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. >> > > > > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain >> > > > > kills Abel.
>> > > > > Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the >> > > > > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only >> > > > > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who >> > > > > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The >> > > > > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's >> > > > > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses >> > > > > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into >> > > > > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," >> > > > > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that >> > > > > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis >> > > > > account.
>> > > > > "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their >> > > > > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles >> > > > > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson >> > > > > said.
>> > > > > "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, >> > > > > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying >> > > > > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to >> > > > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to >> > > > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he >> > > > > added.
>> > > > > "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon >> > > > > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the >> > > > > book for special recognition during its small press celebration >> > > > > throughout March.
>> > > > > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. >> > > > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are >> > > > > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy >> > > > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
>> > > > > The ancients do not lie.
>> > > > It is very silly. Very imaginative but very silly nonetheless. It >> > > > appeals to the religious fanatic who willing distorts anything to >> > > > confirm his religious biases.- Hide quoted text -
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>> > > Could we expect a Darwinist to say anything else?
>> > > Ray
>> > Of course not. Because "Evolutionist Double Standard # 45" says all >> > evolutionist must refuse any evidence that does not come from their >> > Gods: Darwin and Dawkins
>> > They will turn a blind eye to evidence which clearly shows another >> > culture outside of the Hebrew culture who knew about Kain, Adam, Seth >> > and Noah.
>> > Why?
>> > Because that would mean the Bible = True and Evolution = false.
>> Of course not. Even if the interpretation were true, it would simply >> mean that the Greek depicted a foreign myth. Incorporation of foreign >> myth in one's own culture is extremely frequent. see J.F. Bierlein, >> Parallel Myths (Ballantine, 1994
>> and that leaves alone the problem that even in this unsupported >> interpretation, the bible account would be shown false, not true.
>Nonsense. The greeks have the story for the exact reason outlined in >the article. But you do not like that. So you went and found someone >who agrees with you and then claim you are holding the truth.
Well, one thing we can be really certain of - you don't hold the truth.
Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
That 3.5% actually means 25%...
That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...
That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
That wars have been fought because some scientific finding discredited some facet of some religion...
To have a "higher education" than most posters to this news group...
To understand how geologists determine the age of any given sample of rock...
That trilobites were Cambrian mammals... [that one still makes me laugh]
And that he has "created genes" and not evolved ape genes...
That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah and his sons rebuilt mankind.
Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
Claimed cigarettes do not cause cancer.
Now, I ask you, is this the sort of guy you would give an credence to? Certainly I don't.
>On Nov 8, 4:00 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:54:14 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I >> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote in >> <0e86d66e-2a78-4c02-b78a-816d69906...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> :
>> >On Nov 8, 2:35 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I >> >> <ap...@email.com> wrote in >> >> <a02eb04b-899a-4957-82a0-7294c29ec...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
>> >> [snip]
>> >> >In the Book of Enoch there is a passage that tells about the fallen >> >> >angels and how they taught men various skills, from swords to sorcery. >> >> >Included in the list, it says that, "Baraqijal taught astrology, >> >> >Kokabel taught the constellations."
>> >> But don't you say that the fallen angles are actually >> >> extraterrestrials?
>> >> >Astrology is Satan's counterfeit for "life guidance". Satan's >> >> >counterfeits are always self-oriented. His message through astrology >> >> >is that your internal "clock," which began with the star alignment at >> >> >your birth, governs your life.
>> >> Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
>> >> >If you apply this information properly, >> >> >"You can "do" life on your own, you don't need God." Not needing God >> >> >to have all His Knowledge and Power has been Satan's tactic since >> >> >Eden.
>> >> [snip]
>> >That is quite a possibility.
>> But you didn't say that it was a possibility, you said that "They were >> extraterrestrial". Were they or not? Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
>> >They came from "the heavens" and God is >> >in "heaven". How else is an ancient man to describe an ET? But this >> >does not mean man's version of ET like we see in the movies with space >> >ships and ray guns and all that.
>> Who said anything about ray guns?
>> >It would also go a long way in explaining why man can see Angels and >> >why some have talked to God.
>> Is God an extraterrestrial?- Hide quoted text -
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>Read and make your own conclusions.
My conclusion is that you are totally nuts.
Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
That 3.5% actually means 25%...
That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...
That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
That wars have been fought because some scientific finding discredited some facet of some religion...
To have a "higher education" than most posters to this news group...
To understand how geologists determine the age of any given sample of rock...
That trilobites were Cambrian mammals... [that one still makes me laugh]
And that he has "created genes" and not evolved ape genes...
That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah and his sons rebuilt mankind.
Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
Claimed cigarettes do not cause cancer.
Now, I ask you, is this the sort of guy you would give an credence to? Certainly I don't.
<allseei...@usa.com> wrote: >On Nov 7, 2:36 pm, heekster <heeks...@ifiwxtc.net> wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:31:57 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I
>> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote: >> >On Nov 7, 12:09 pm, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> >> >wrote: >> >> On Nov 7, 11:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> >> [...]
>> >> > The ancients do not lie.
>> >> That being the case, we can assume you also worship Zeus, Hera, >> >> Apollo, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Athena, Diana, Ares, and Hades? That >> >> you believe in naiads, dryads, nereids, and muses?
>> >> Chris
>> >Only if i want to follow the way of "Kain"
>> >For everything on Earth that God has done, Satan has made a >> >counterfit.
>> Counterfeit, perhaps, illiterate one?
>> So to balance you out, somewhere, there is someone with courage, an >> education, a strong sense of ethics, a healthy dose of common sense, >> and a willingness to learn new things, and to question dogma.
>> And who does not tell lies.
>> >The Greek religion isthe counterfit story of Adam's family.
>> You failed to show this, in any way shape or form.
>> All you did was put forth an imbecilic unsubstantiated allegation, >> which is unremarkably stupid, on its face.- Hide quoted text -
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>The evidence, (and the story), is ON the building.Can't you read?
Since the metopes were destroyed in 1687 by an explosion, no. Read your own cite, imbecile.
>If you had bothered to RTFA you would see the Greeks sought the >"reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood".
I did not see that. Where is it? is there any corroborating evidence, other than the say-so in the article? If so, why don't you post it?
>They did just that; right down to the pervasive homosexuality.
Where is this, in the Bible? Where are the centaurs in the Bible?
>Why do you think a >specific sex act between men is referred to as "Greek".
You would know much more about that than I would. You can let go of your ankles, now.
> In addition, >Sex between married men and underage boys was a matter of routine in >Greece.
What has this to do with the Cain of the Bible?
>The entire Greek life style was hedonistic, overindulgent and >sinful.
Who are you to judge them?
>If you had bothered to RTF Bible you would know that Satan has always >sought to be like God and duplicate everything God has done. Even the >tower of Babble was built so man could climb to the heaves and be like >God.
You are a nimrod and a poltroon.
>Type "Satan seeks to counterfeit God's creation" into Google and learn >something.
Get an education, and stop making a complete fool of yourself, everytime you find some unsubstantiated imbecility on the net.
>You have to be the dumbest responder on Talk Origins; probably on the >entire Internet. But the good news is you are a retard too.
You're in the midst of several mirrors, aren't you, ament?
<allseei...@usa.com> wrote: >On Nov 8, 2:35 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I >> <ap...@email.com> wrote in >> <a02eb04b-899a-4957-82a0-7294c29ec...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
>> [snip]
>> >In the Book of Enoch there is a passage that tells about the fallen >> >angels and how they taught men various skills, from swords to sorcery. >> >Included in the list, it says that, "Baraqijal taught astrology, >> >Kokabel taught the constellations."
>> But don't you say that the fallen angles are actually >> extraterrestrials?
>> >Astrology is Satan's counterfeit for "life guidance". Satan's >> >counterfeits are always self-oriented. His message through astrology >> >is that your internal "clock," which began with the star alignment at >> >your birth, governs your life.
>> Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
>> >If you apply this information properly, >> >"You can "do" life on your own, you don't need God." Not needing God >> >to have all His Knowledge and Power has been Satan's tactic since >> >Eden.
>> [snip]
>That is quite a possibility. They came from "the heavens" and God is >in "heaven". How else is an ancient man to describe an ET? But this >does not mean man's version of ET like we see in the movies with space >ships and ray guns and all that.
Sucker. You never met an imbecility that you didn't buy, right away.
>It would also go a long way in explaining why man can see Angels and >why some have talked to God.
<allseei...@usa.com> wrote: >On Nov 7, 7:26 pm, VoiceOfReason <papa_...@cybertown.com> wrote: >> On Nov 7, 2:40 pm, DJT <mousede...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > On Nov 7, 12:32 pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
>> > > On Nov 7, 1:20 pm, VoiceOfReason <papa_...@cybertown.com> wrote:
>> > > > On Nov 7, 11:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> > > > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT >> > > > > Edited by Debra Tone
>> > > > > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists >> > > > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the >> > > > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The >> > > > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light >> > > > > Books.
>> > > > > Johnson's book relates that the story of Kain killing Abel appeared on >> > > > > four square sculpted panels in the center of the south side of the >> > > > > Parthenon. While these were destroyed in the explosion of 1687, >> > > > > accurate drawings of them from 1674 by French artist, Jacques Carrey, >> > > > > survive. On the first panel, according to the book, Kain and Abel >> > > > > talk. On the second, Kain argues with his own wife over a sacrifice. >> > > > > On the third, Kain startles Abel in the field. On the fourth, Kain >> > > > > kills Abel.
>> > > > > Kain was the eldest son of Adam and Eve; Seth, who replaced the >> > > > > murdered Abel, was their youngest son. Genesis asserts that only >> > > > > Noah's family of the line of Seth survived the Flood; all others who >> > > > > practiced the anti-God way of Kain drowned. According to "The >> > > > > Parthenon Code," the Greeks depicted their recollection of Noah's >> > > > > Flood often on vases as Kentaurs (or Centaurs, half-men/half-horses >> > > > > who represented the line of Seth), pounding a man named Kaineus into >> > > > > the earth with rocks. Kaineus in Greek means "pertaining to Kain," >> > > > > thus Greek artists conveyed the historical message that all that >> > > > > pertained to Kain had disappeared into the earth, matching the Genesis >> > > > > account.
>> > > > > "The evidence shows that the Greeks knew exactly who Kain was. Their >> > > > > entire religious system, what we erroneously call 'myth,' chronicles >> > > > > the reestablishment of the way of Kain after the Flood," Mr. Johnson >> > > > > said.
>> > > > > "The Greeks also knew exactly who Noah was: they called him Nereus, >> > > > > the 'Wet One' often depicting his bottom half as a fish signifying >> > > > > that he had come through the Flood. The Greeks built the Parthenon to >> > > > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and to >> > > > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis," he >> > > > > added.
>> > > > > "The Parthenon Code" is already the best-selling book on the Parthenon >> > > > > at amazon.com and bn.com. Barnes & Noble (Bookstores) has chosen the >> > > > > book for special recognition during its small press celebration >> > > > > throughout March.
>> > > > > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east. >> > > > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are >> > > > > thousands of years old and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy >> > > > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
>> > Evolution is a well established scientific theory, that is massively >> > supported by the evidence. Your quoted material above is the >> > ramblings of a religious nut.
>> > Why is it wrong to accept science, but right to grasp at this thin >> > straw you've found?
>> He doesn't understand science, and never will. Pseudoscience is >> simple enough for any twit to understand -- that's part of its >> popularity.- Hide quoted text -
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>You have that backward. Which is not at all surprising.
>Any idiot can memorize a book.
Untrue. you're an idiot, and you can't do it. Hell, you contradict yourself from one post to the next. You post evidence, which rebuts what you claim.
>But to piece together the puzzle of >truth takes skill, patience and dedication.
That rules you out, too.
>I'm a dumb ass, who does not show >any propensity toward any of those skills.
I fixed your incorrect use of person, and some other irregularities.
> But, you do a nice job >parroting from your books quite nicely
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:31:29 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:19:20 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I >>Read and make your own conclusions.
>My conclusion is that you are totally nuts.
>Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
[...]
>That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
This isn't the Kent Hovind currently spending ten years in a federal prison, is it?
[...]
>That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle >East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah >and his sons rebuilt mankind.
I expect he has the source of all the world's languages confused with the Indo-European languages, and is unaware that there are many languages that are not Indo-European.
>Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
There's a moderator? Must be a bot.
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> On Nov 8, 1:50 pm, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 12:20 pm, "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 7, 10:08 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 7, 11:53 am, Reddfrogg <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 7, 9:56 am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Mon, 17 Jan 2005, 17:10:00 EDT > > > > > > Edited by Debra Tone
> > > > > > ANNAPOLIS, MD /Send2Press Newswire/ -- Did ancient Greek artists > > > > > > depict Kain (Cain) killing Abel on their most glorious temple, the > > > > > > Parthenon? Yes, according to Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr., author of 'The > > > > > > Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble,' new from Solving Light > > > > > > Books.
> > > > > snipping Woo-Woo press release.
> > > > > > OK Kooks. Worm your way outta this.
> > > > > Out of what? The "interpretations" made by the author are rather > > > > > fanciful, and hardly credible.
> > > > > > The Greeks have ZERO connection to religion or to the middle east.
> > > > > Which should indicate that the claims made by the author of this work > > > > > are suspect.
> > > > > > Their stories (mythologies) are based on the actual stories that are > > > > > > thousands of years old
> > > > > No, like most mythologies, their stories are based on oral tradition, > > > > > which often contains bits of facts, bits of fancy, and stuff made up > > > > > from whole cloth.
> > > > > > and clearly show that Adam and his genealogy > > > > > > are well known. This included Noah's generations.
> > > > > Several of the assumptions the author makes are suspect, including the > > > > > claim that Centaurs were to represent Seth's linage, and that Noah is > > > > > depicted as a merman. It's also interesting that according to you, > > > > > all of Kain's race were killed off by "The Flood" but the ancient > > > > > Greek's were supposedly trying to celebrate
> > > > > "The Greeks built the Parthenon to > > > > > celebrate the triumph of the way of Kain over Noah and his God, and > > > > > to > > > > > glorify Athena, a picture of the serpent-friendly Eve of Genesis,"
> > > > > If Kain and all his descendants were killed in the "Flood", how did > > > > > "the way of Kain" triumph over Noah?
> > > > > > The ancients do not lie.
> > > > > The ancients, like anyone else, liked a good story, and made up > > > > > stories to explain things they didn't understand. There's no reason > > > > > to think that the stories in ancient Greece had anything to do with > > > > > the Noah story the Israelites borrowed from the Babylonians. Even > > > > > if there is a link, it's more likely that the Greeks got it from the > > > > > Babylonians than they got it from the much lesser known Israelites..
> > > > > DJT
> > > > None of you have addressed the fact that this is independent evidence > > > > for Adam and his genealogy.
> > > Yes, we have: we have pointed out that this is _not_ independent > > > evidence for Adam and his geneology at all. In fact, one would have > > > to be quite stupid and naive to believe this is "evidence" at all.
> > > > Denial. It is not just a river in Egypt!!
> > > Did you know that the word "gullible" is not in the Bible?
> > > - Bob T.
> > It is independent evidence for the Hebrew version not being the only > > version.
> > THAT makes it corroboration and shows the Hebrew version is not a > > single made up story.
> > The Greeks would not have placed the story on such a building > > otherwise.-
> As I posted in another reply:
> Just think. Five or Six thousand years from now, some archaeologist > will be sifting through the ruins of a city that used to exist on the > eastern shores of the Old U S of A, and find this....
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:19:20 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I > <allseei...@usa.com> wrote in > <e7c350cf-7020-4e59-ab4d-3bd01d3a7...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> :
> >On Nov 8, 4:00 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:54:14 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I > >> <allseei...@usa.com> wrote in > >> <0e86d66e-2a78-4c02-b78a-816d69906...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> :
> >> >On Nov 8, 2:35 pm, Augray <aug...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I > >> >> <ap...@email.com> wrote in > >> >> <a02eb04b-899a-4957-82a0-7294c29ec...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> :
> >> >> [snip]
> >> >> >In the Book of Enoch there is a passage that tells about the fallen > >> >> >angels and how they taught men various skills, from swords to sorcery. > >> >> >Included in the list, it says that, "Baraqijal taught astrology, > >> >> >Kokabel taught the constellations."
> >> >> But don't you say that the fallen angles are actually > >> >> extraterrestrials?
> >> >> >Astrology is Satan's counterfeit for "life guidance". Satan's > >> >> >counterfeits are always self-oriented. His message through astrology > >> >> >is that your internal "clock," which began with the star alignment at > >> >> >your birth, governs your life.
> >> >> Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
> >> >> >If you apply this information properly, > >> >> >"You can "do" life on your own, you don't need God." Not needing God > >> >> >to have all His Knowledge and Power has been Satan's tactic since > >> >> >Eden.
> >> >> [snip]
> >> >That is quite a possibility.
> >> But you didn't say that it was a possibility, you said that "They were > >> extraterrestrial". Were they or not? Is Satan an extraterrestrial?
> >> >They came from "the heavens" and God is > >> >in "heaven". How else is an ancient man to describe an ET? But this > >> >does not mean man's version of ET like we see in the movies with space > >> >ships and ray guns and all that.
> >> Who said anything about ray guns?
> >> >It would also go a long way in explaining why man can see Angels and > >> >why some have talked to God.
> >> Is God an extraterrestrial?
> >Read and make your own conclusions.
> I'm asking what *you* believe. Are you afraid to answer?- Hide quoted text -
> On Nov 8, 3:04 pm, Caranx latus <kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > All-Seeing-I wrote: > > > On Nov 8, 9:50 am, wf3h <w...@vsswireless.net> wrote: > > >> On Nov 8, 8:34 am, All-Seeing-I <allseei...@usa.com> wrote:
> > >>> Any idiot can memorize a book. But to piece together the puzzle of > > >>> truth takes skill, patience and dedication. You dumb asses do not show > > >>> a propensity toward any of those skills. But, you do a nice job > > >>> parroting from your books quite nicely- > > >> and to make up what's not in the book...creationism...takes a special > > >> type of delusion
> > > It is not *my fault you cannot read three books and draw an > > > independent conclusion from corelation.
> > Tell me something, [M]adape. I know that you do not consider that > > *every* book ever written is true. What standard should apply to > > determine whether any specific book is true or not?
> That's easy. The older the book, the more TRUE(TM) it is.
> Boikat
You are nothing short of brain damaged.
I'll explain this --again. For the last time.
If you are reading two books on a topic such as a "tradition" that is handed down within a population then, generally speaking, the book with the older version of the tradition will be more accurate because that version will be closer to the origin of when the original event that gave rise to the tradition took place. So there is less chance that the information was embellished or skewed over time.
Now, instead of being able to understand that, some of you have chosen to twist the truth, as usual, and make the claim that I said just the oldest book is more valid.
Well, sometimes it is the oldest book that more valid. Why? Because the information in the book is the oldest version of the information. But sometimes it is the newer book that is more valid because the information in the newest book is older.
Case in point. The bible that is in use today is relatively new when compared to the information that is in the bible. The book itself may be 1800 years old while some of the information in the bible, such as the book of Job, is considered to be 3600 years old by many scollars.
Therefore, if you were reading two books about the story of Job, the bible's version would be considered more accurate since it is the closest version to the original time the events took place.
The same holds true for the four gospels in the bible. There are many other gospels that are probably just as valid. However. the reason the four gospels we have are in the bible is because they were verified to be the oldest and closest versions to the actual events that took place and therefore considered more reliable.
This is not difficult to understand. You just like being obtuse and combative.
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:31:29 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> > wrote:
> >On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:19:20 -0800 (PST), All-Seeing-I > >>Read and make your own conclusions.
> >My conclusion is that you are totally nuts.
> >Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
> [...]
> >That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
> This isn't the Kent Hovind currently spending ten years in a > federal prison, is it?
> [...]
> >That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle > >East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah > >and his sons rebuilt mankind.
> I expect he has the source of all the world's languages confused > with the Indo-European languages, and is unaware that there are > many languages that are not Indo-European.
> >Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
> There's a moderator? Must be a bot.
You believe that spamming crap from usenet's largest net kook?
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