We need to begin to split tasks and look at what we can do to halt the existing proposals and buy more time, or force people to see the approach the council has taken up until this point.
We can put the council under alot of pressure.
The main task is to tell the community what is going on.
May I kick things off with the fact that Options 1, 2 & 3 all propose approximately 50 "2 bedroom family units".
Unfortunately none of the proposals include any car parking provision, so presumably the new residents will have to park in the nearby streets. As I am sure you are all aware, parking in the roads off the High Street has reached saturation point, particularly at night.
No private developer would be allowed to build 50 flats in London without providing adequate parking, yet Lambeth obviously think that because they control the planning system they can bypass this requirement.
Although the "Revitalise" document does not give details, we can assume these flats will be a combination of private and "social housing".
My guess is that without the private residential component (and the many millions of ££ it would generate), this scheme would be dead in the water.
I think this kind of detail is where tye ahve made big mistakes. the key thing now is getting the information to be as accurate as possible and then GET IT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN!
because the more info is out there the more questions will be asked.
In option 1, the costliest, much of the cost is put down to the challenge associated with a building where "The inclusion of a basement pool increases the complexity of the building" in a tight footprint. However, if we look closely at the leaflet, the area of the site where the depot and Leisure centre sit currently is MUCH bigger than MS house footprint area.
Would keeping a refurbished (and expanded) leisure centre + modern library/communal space built on depot grounds be cheaper? This is not listed as an option. The above would mean the leisure centre and current pool would remain. Also, the library would be co-located with the Leisure centre which is not really a bad idea. The funds released from the development of MS house would pay for this, no? This option would keep the character of the old building intact in a quiet location a few hundred meters away from the high street with all modern services together.
Anyway, just a tought...
The main battle to be fought here is, as other people said, to inform people about the plans. No one, but a few, know about it...
Hi I totally agree with this last point. Would be happy to do my bit by helping to write a punchy article for the local press with person or persons better informed than me. A good place to start, no?
> Hi > I totally agree with this last point. Would be happy to do my bit by > helping to write a punchy article for the local press with person or > persons better informed than me. A good place to start, no?
Hi there, good ! Matador is on board ! Please arrange a quick chat with him asap so that he can start writing ! I also need some simple text with a blurb for the PETITION from somebody, URGENTLY ! I have a chance to take it up to Tooting Bec Lido THIS SUNDAY morning. They are celebrating their centenary with a doggy paddle race. South London Swimming Club, and other open water swimmers taking part. The secretary assured they'll all sign it. A lot of them live in Lambeth and have Clapham Manor at heart. Can also design the posters ready for monday, but no photocopying from me, I am afraid ! ps If I could ask for TEXT for POSTER too by TOMORROW EVENING (saturday). And could put it together on sunday, as I am away for one week from tue 28th. back on tue 4th April.
agree with the hot potato :-) and with proposal n5, Pete which was what the stakeholder group was proposing too. Makes a lot more sense doesn't it?
> > Hi > > I totally agree with this last point. Would be > happy to do my bit by > > helping to write a punchy article for the local > press with person or > > persons better informed than me. A good place to > start, no?
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> Hi there, good ! Matador is on board ! Please arrange > a quick chat with him asap so that he can start > writing ! > I also need some simple text with a blurb for the > PETITION from somebody, URGENTLY ! > I have a chance to take it up to Tooting Bec Lido THIS > SUNDAY morning. > They are celebrating their centenary with a doggy > paddle race. South London Swimming Club, and other > open water swimmers taking part. The secretary assured > they'll all sign it. A lot of them live in Lambeth and > have Clapham Manor at heart. > Can also design the posters ready for monday, but no > photocopying from me, I am afraid ! > ps If I could ask for TEXT for POSTER too by TOMORROW > EVENING (saturday). > And could put it together on sunday, as I am away for > one week from tue 28th. back on tue 4th April.
> agree with the hot potato :-) > and with proposal n5, Pete which was what the > stakeholder group was proposing too. Makes a lot more > sense doesn't it?
> --- pete gomes <sw4peo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > i think we need to get crackingf with getting this > > thing visible.
> > i propose some simple photocopied posters that we > > get shops in the > > area to put in windows and quickly raise the level > > of local awareness
> > cheap easy and an instant effect
> > but
> > we have to have
> > 1. something people can do after they have read it
> > 2. some kind of aim - petition something
> > 3. getting to become THE central issue in the local > > elections.
> > Making it into a HOT POTATO
> > Operation Hot potato! :-)
> > pete
> > On 3/24/06, matador <n...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> > > Hi > > > I totally agree with this last point. Would be > > happy to do my bit by > > > helping to write a punchy article for the local > > press with person or > > > persons better informed than me. A good place to > > start, no?
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I am a bit confused - why is it so bad to have a new swimming pool - wouldn't it be a good idea to try and pressure them for a really good replacement pool? I personally love swimming at Clapham Manor pool but I have to admit to myself that it is not comfortable in the changing rooms and very cold in the winter. Sometimes on a Saturday morning, I have been almost the only person there, which is lovely for me, but not good for revenue.
I do think that maximum number of people should be involved to give their views and make sure that if a new leisure centre is built, it is a really good one and not some large paddling pool with wave machines, so will support the campaign to raise awareness.
-----Original Message----- From: sw4people@googlegroups.com [mailto:sw4people@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Gomes Sent: 24 March 2006 20:06 To: sw4people@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Petition + Posters
whos that
On 3/24/06, Marghie Gianni <marghiegia...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi there, good ! Matador is on board ! Please arrange > a quick chat with him asap so that he can start > writing ! > I also need some simple text with a blurb for the > PETITION from somebody, URGENTLY ! > I have a chance to take it up to Tooting Bec Lido THIS > SUNDAY morning. > They are celebrating their centenary with a doggy > paddle race. South London Swimming Club, and other > open water swimmers taking part. The secretary assured > they'll all sign it. A lot of them live in Lambeth and > have Clapham Manor at heart. > Can also design the posters ready for monday, but no > photocopying from me, I am afraid ! > ps If I could ask for TEXT for POSTER too by TOMORROW > EVENING (saturday). > And could put it together on sunday, as I am away for > one week from tue 28th. back on tue 4th April.
> agree with the hot potato :-) > and with proposal n5, Pete which was what the > stakeholder group was proposing too. Makes a lot more > sense doesn't it?
> --- pete gomes <sw4peo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > i think we need to get crackingf with getting this > > thing visible.
> > i propose some simple photocopied posters that we > > get shops in the > > area to put in windows and quickly raise the level > > of local awareness
> > cheap easy and an instant effect
> > but
> > we have to have
> > 1. something people can do after they have read it
> > 2. some kind of aim - petition something
> > 3. getting to become THE central issue in the local > > elections.
> > Making it into a HOT POTATO
> > Operation Hot potato! :-)
> > pete
> > On 3/24/06, matador <n...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> > > Hi > > > I totally agree with this last point. Would be > > happy to do my bit by > > > helping to write a punchy article for the local > > press with person or > > > persons better informed than me. A good place to > > start, no?
> ___________________________________________________________ > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry
The issue for me is that they are NOT intending to replace like with like.
If they were going to, or intended to build an equivalent new facility then I would be the first to support it.
One example of their total lack of research and consultationwas the fact that no one even knew the depth of the proposed pool - they had not considered scuba diving - which needs a particular depth of water.
As far as changing rooms and facilities, they have to invest in the existing pool which they have not for a decade. They have left it.
You need to look at place like Ironmonger Row in Old Street. A similar period building, which has been transformed and refurbed in the past 5 years - with good showers and clean facilities.
The bottom line is that they out to essentially cut corners, and save money. This will, and make no bones about it, mean a reduction in existing facilities.
I have just found out that the council have ALREADY included the sale of the site in their proposed budget for the coming year... as if it is a forgone conclusion.
It isnt.
pg
On 3/24/06, Clare Rooth <clarero...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> I am a bit confused - why is it so bad to have a new swimming pool - > wouldn't it be a good idea to try and pressure them for a really good > replacement pool? I personally love swimming at Clapham Manor pool but I > have to admit to myself that it is not comfortable in the changing rooms and > very cold in the winter. Sometimes on a Saturday morning, I have been > almost the only person there, which is lovely for me, but not good for > revenue.
> I do think that maximum number of people should be involved to give their > views and make sure that if a new leisure centre is built, it is a really > good one and not some large paddling pool with wave machines, so will > support the campaign to raise awareness.
> Clare
> -----Original Message----- > From: sw4people@googlegroups.com [mailto:sw4people@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Peter Gomes > Sent: 24 March 2006 20:06 > To: sw4people@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Petition + Posters
> whos that
> On 3/24/06, Marghie Gianni <marghiegia...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi there, good ! Matador is on board ! Please arrange > > a quick chat with him asap so that he can start > > writing ! > > I also need some simple text with a blurb for the > > PETITION from somebody, URGENTLY ! > > I have a chance to take it up to Tooting Bec Lido THIS > > SUNDAY morning. > > They are celebrating their centenary with a doggy > > paddle race. South London Swimming Club, and other > > open water swimmers taking part. The secretary assured > > they'll all sign it. A lot of them live in Lambeth and > > have Clapham Manor at heart. > > Can also design the posters ready for monday, but no > > photocopying from me, I am afraid ! > > ps If I could ask for TEXT for POSTER too by TOMORROW > > EVENING (saturday). > > And could put it together on sunday, as I am away for > > one week from tue 28th. back on tue 4th April.
> > agree with the hot potato :-) > > and with proposal n5, Pete which was what the > > stakeholder group was proposing too. Makes a lot more > > sense doesn't it?
> > --- pete gomes <sw4peo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > i think we need to get crackingf with getting this > > > thing visible.
> > > i propose some simple photocopied posters that we > > > get shops in the > > > area to put in windows and quickly raise the level > > > of local awareness
> > > cheap easy and an instant effect
> > > but
> > > we have to have
> > > 1. something people can do after they have read it
> > > 2. some kind of aim - petition something
> > > 3. getting to become THE central issue in the local > > > elections.
> > > Making it into a HOT POTATO
> > > Operation Hot potato! :-)
> > > pete
> > > On 3/24/06, matador <n...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> > > > Hi > > > > I totally agree with this last point. Would be > > > happy to do my bit by > > > > helping to write a punchy article for the local > > > press with person or > > > > persons better informed than me. A good place to > > > start, no?
> > ___________________________________________________________ > > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. > http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry
The issue is not a new swimming pool but what kind of a pool. If you go to Chelsea Baths, you can see what they have done with a 'old' pool. The refurbished it and made it great. The revenue is coming in fast. The actual pools at Clapham Baths is excellent but it needs updating. The changing rooms are crap but most people can see that with a little money they can be made great. Once the word gets around you will have problems stopping people using it.
Go to Latchmare Swimming pool in Battersea, and you an see that a new pool. And it is horrible, you simply cannot swim. Kids cannot learn. And it is never empty The changing rooms are new, look great but are impossible to use as they are cramped. And with a few kids and families it is very difficult to use.
But what they are proposing at Mary Secole House is something worse than the existing pool.
They also want to give over the Clapham Manor Baths site to developers. Once it goes to them a public site is lost forever. There is more I can say but I will leave it at that.
The council are trying to hoodwink us.
Rahul Patel
PS Libraries and Pools just do not go together. Please see MORI Poll on views expressed on both pools and Libraries.
On Mar 24, 2006, at 22:25, Clare Rooth wrote:
I am a bit confused - why is it so bad to have a new swimming pool - wouldn't it be a good idea to try and pressure them for a really good replacement pool? I personally love swimming at Clapham Manor pool but I have to admit to myself that it is not comfortable in the changing rooms and very cold in the winter. Sometimes on a Saturday morning, I have been almost the only person there, which is lovely for me, but not good for revenue.
I do think that maximum number of people should be involved to give their views and make sure that if a new leisure centre is built, it is a really good one and not some large paddling pool with wave machines, so will support the campaign to raise awareness.
-----Original Message----- From: sw4people@googlegroups.com [mailto:sw4people@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Gomes Sent: 24 March 2006 20:06 To: sw4people@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Petition + Posters
whos that
On 3/24/06, Marghie Gianni <marghiegia...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi there, good ! Matador is on board ! Please arrange > a quick chat with him asap so that he can start > writing ! > I also need some simple text with a blurb for the > PETITION from somebody,
