On Nov 6, 3:11 am, thein han <juniper...@gmail.com> wrote:

When you said " Currently there are a few tails wagging hard and
howling, some are gleeful about their papa visit.!
As if you took the words from my mouth.

Let's say, they have no idea of what politic is all about.

They have shown that with their attitudes, their behaviours, their
potentials, their quality they have no place in Myanmar politica.
In a way , these people are helping our leaders cause, and
objectives.
These guys have no real place among the opposition or to be called
Democampers.  They are not worth anything.

Time has changed, things have to change, for the better, not for the
worse, not back to the chaos,not back to lawlessness.
Somebody will do something that is for sure.

Your advice, " Be Watchful " , is every effective.  Don't worry my
dear FD, everybody, yes I mean 'everybody' is watching.

Regards,

Mrs.mogyothwar, Mrs bamarchee,they all want to share this
gigantic find, just like their phar -yar than shwe.

for the original posting from Mrs. flying dong-lover,
a correct description is a same as what Zo Khup's
recent comment to other post
" sauk kyee sauk kyae "

“ Well I do hope that all patriots are watching carefully and taking
necessary action, I have just started organising what I can within my
reach. ”

If we are the dogs, “ Khways ” sometime she Ma Thein Han prefers to
call us. We are the dogs that bites , which don’t bark like her.
"Auk Ka Le Nay - Hardy Le Ma Shaw ", she is already down and flat so .
she will cry for anything.

In every king’s court there is at least one Court Jester . We had the
most famous U Paw Oo. He was civil , he was smooth, he was gentle, he
was wise.  And  Myin Gun , Myin Khon Daing,  also had the advisor  by
the name of U Pon Nya  when they tried against their own father
Mindon. Though they managed to kill  Hlaing Prince or Crowned Prince
Kanoung . I am seeing the Myanmar opposition has too many U Pon
Nyas..   I hope the opposition knows what I am talking about here.

You must understand and accept, the world is not without,  fools,
stupid idiots and ignorant. You have to have white , to call other
black. How many of us know, that the white itself is mad of seven
different colours.

Freedom is being abused , this freedom is being violated by not only
by Ma Thein Han but also by many others on this forum.   They are
hardly discussing anything about Myanmar.  Their lowlife , low calibre
are visible. Even their surrogate fathers around the world notice
that.

Especially Ma Thein Han and her group, was looking in the mirror when
she said ,
“ hta-mein gyone te ka let_thee htaung ” She must be mistaken or have
meant that .“ Let Thee Htaung ” under our Pasoe. She can’t
differentiate “ Let Thee ” and other
“ La Thee ” .  Sorry to use the word, that is because only she can
understand that.

If they believe that is the way to change Myanmar. What more can I
say, that is what they believe .

The result is , the opposition for twenty years , getting nowhere . It
is true that Mrs Aris is under detention , but what about others
outside , who are free to move around doing their political activities
as usual ?

What a pity, Mrs Aris has nobody to rely on , nobody to depend on, she
is all on her own.  People like Ma Thein Han and all are not helping
her at all. Besides the outside world is does not know how to help the
opposition.

The outside world also knew even in 1990 NLD got into power,  they
could not help NLD, because it has nobody with potentials, it has
nobody with talent and capability. The NLD government would collapsed
within six months of taken office. There real fear was Myanmar will
get back into chaos, Mrs Aris could not control anything. Myanmar will
be back to square one.  Mrs Aris herself would be in serious danger.
They don’t want her to be seen as a democratically elected dictator.

Ma Thein Han is not “ may be” but surely “ an ardent follower of Mrs
Aris ”. There is no doubt about it.  The way Ma Then Han in her own
words is telling us that she is a well trained  bitch which is good at
sniffing under the Hta main only. Living under it all the time.
Whether to Mrs Aris liking or not is not the question. The fact is Ma
Thein Han is not with Mrs Aris.  She must have been kicked out
recently, by Mrs Aris from coming too close to her private part .

Democracy and human rights are being violated by the opposition
members such as Ma Thein Han. What can all others Myanmars expect from
the opposition. What can outsiders who wants to help the opposition
expect from them.

Twenty years is a long time to wait. There are lots and lots of things
they could do against SPDC but they did not . Nothing will justify
them . The fact is they have nobody suitable to replace Mrs Aris. The
lay out was too much already, nothing in return , twenty years their
investments in her are sitting without any profit in return.
Economically they themselves are caught in their own trap.

Besides, with the expense of the West ,  Russia and China and others
are benefiting. The west knows their economic sanctions does not pay.
Their eyes are popping out.
So they have to find ways how to make their investments pay.

For twenty years SPDC or Myanmar is not without friends . If US can do
without Myanmar ,  Myanmar can do without US, nicely. Myanmar does not
have to prove anything.

Every leader of every nation, knows exactly know what need to be done
for their people, for their nation to protect their people, to defend
their nation fo all enemies within the nation or from outside the
nation.

In nation with democratically elected civilian government, the
government assigns let the security apparatus to do their best , gives
them free hands, military, CIA, FBI , Police etc., etc.

In a military rule nations like Myanmar,  the government is the
military, military is the military, MI ( CIA)  is the military,
Special Branch ( FBI ), Bureaux of Special Investigation(BSI)  is the
military, Criminal Investigation Department and Police are military
or  under the defence ministry, which is also military.

All these are under the government what ever they do is to be answered
by the
 government, civilian or military. The government cannot deny, they
have nothing to do with anything. Everything they do is accountable by
the government, in any nation.
Whatever US tropps in Afghanistan or in  Iraq are doing Obama has to
answer.

Regarding recent visits by US ,the so called “ fact finding mission ”
is because US may have found that all vacancies in Union of Myanmar
are full .  They are too bloody late.  It is their own faults. So they
decided to re shuffle the cards. Dragging in Russia and China on their
side, because others are negligible. Their noble intent may be to
share
Because they found that , Russia and China are having big pieces.

North Pole under the glacier expedition of Russian  and its influence
on other parts of the world . Not to forget P.R China, influence in
many nations. All these made US , especially the bright brand new US
president realises many things. The leaders of EU  who most of them
are former colonisers are somewhat reluctant . They are waiting for US
signals.  \they don’t mind to eat the left over of US. They have no
choice, they themselves are at the mercy of US and UK,  who are the
Liberators of Europe, from Nazi Germany. Nazi or not Germany is
Germany it is twenty million more stronger since the Berlin Wall came
down.

Here you have to put into consideration is  Then Sein on behalf of
SPDC invited US through Jimmy Web . If some people take it as Then
Sein was surrendering , it would be totally wrong.  Among other
things, Thein Sein would not dare to take the opportunity to invite US
at the UN either.  Thein Sein or SPDC at least is in the bargaining
position . Thein Sein and SPDC is clever enough.

Or at least to show to the world that SPDC is flexible,  SPDC is
willing, SPDC is prepared and SPDC is ready , SPDC is honourable. At
the same time, to show to the world that who are not flexible, who are
not willing , who are not prepared, who are not ready.

Now we are seeing, who is “ blackmailing ” the people of Myanmar, and
the nation of Myanmar, who is holding the people and the nation of
Myanmar as hostage, asking ransom from SPDC.   The act of pirates, the
tactic of the terrorists.

They admitted that , the process will be slow. Myanmar(SPDC)  must
show the democratic changes, they said . Their main tune is Mrs Aris
again. They have to back her, there is nobody else.  With all the good
reasons SPDC is protecting Mrs Aris, with all cause.  SPDC knows about
the late civil rights leaders Rev, Martin Luther Kig Jr.  and late US
President  J. F. Kennedy.

CIA agent are not wearing horns on their foreheads or have tails
behind, but they (Spdc) can see them with their trained eyes,  who
they are,

Everybody is watching. Russia and China too . Those who are not on,
those who are  missing the Love Train of Myanmar are US and UK.  May
be they are in the last carriage, may be they want to move into first
class or even upper class, night sleeper where Russia and China are.
US and UK wants to join in together with them. Or in a way , US and UK
are calling Russia and China to join them in the last carriage.

It also shows, US or UK can do nothing without the consent and
approval of Russia and China.   These two won’t let  US or UK do what
they like either to Myanmar or to any other country , the word is
“bullying ”.

FD, you know, as well as I do the meaning of Democracy, the meaning of
Human Rights.  It is not desirable, it is unacceptable whoever misuses
or violates . We all are living in the twenty first century. Not in he
stone age with the stone age, knowledge.

Hi FD,

Do you know what you are saying and how you are condemning your (?)
people? Your people are like hostages, violently kept by severely
armed hijackers (the military government and the Tatmadaw), robbed
from their freedom. And you are saying the hostages should solve their
own miserable situation, they should liberate themselves. They,
according to you, should not call the police for help, outside and
capable mediators. No, calling the police is taboo. Well then, why
wouldn't you give weapons to the hostages, so they can negotiate at
the same level as their kidnappers? Make it possible to solve their
own problems, let them release their fellow political prisoners
themselves, make them equally powerful. Is that what you want? If not,
then what is it that you would propose, suggest the NLD, the
opposition and the people to do? Do you consider the current situation
one of equal level? Can you name one political prisoner on the side of
the junta, captured by the opposition?

If I were a Burmese national I would feel very much ashamed of fellow
nationals like you and S/M telling us what to do, to follow the
junta's orders and to keep our mouths shut. I can only hope that there
is just a small minority of Burmese people (whether inside or outside
Burma) thinking like you and your comrades, wanting to keep dominating
the majority. Your fascist, nazi-like views are a disgrace to your
people, to the world and civilisation in general. Your own children
may turn away from you, repudiating your views. Why don't you listen
to the desires and needs of your people? Or aren't you Burmese? Are
you Chinese, Malaysian or North Korean perhaps? Yes, we are watchful,
especially to people with views like yours, dangerous and destructive
to the society. You seem to be even more extreme than the generals,
who are prepared to talk to the West.

Do you really think you are needed by Burma, by the Burmese, now and
in the future? Do you serve any useful purpose? A pathetic, imaginary
thought. Your views can only be contempted. History is full of
fascists like you, finally getting the worst of it. Maybe you are the
ones who should be pitied for such maladjusted minds.

Regards,
JRB

James Russell Brownwood
James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com
Justice Reforms Burma
http://jrburma.int.tf (@NLM archives, PGP public key)

Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my
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independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events
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On Nov 9, 3:50 pm, flyingdragon <flyingdrag...@yahoo.com> wrote:

What else you-guys-pathetic expect from coffee stuffs of a fcukin mad
dog?

a criminal = a stranger (coffee version)

offering hospitality = hiding a criminal, pussyfootingly (coffee
version)

Hi FD and S/M and BS/BG as well,

I must have touched a sensitive chord. Good, I wanted to arouse you,
but not to upset you. All right, you don't want to accept my
challenges, you considered them at least and you and everyone else
know what I mean I assume. Whether you value me low, lower or lowest
is irrelevant. What is relevant are my views, your views, everyone's
views.

Exactly the dominance and repression that you support and promote
under the pretext of 'law and order, peace and stability', is the
issue that is disgustable. Whether it comes from devils like Hitler,
Mugabe, Kim Jong Il, Than Shwe, Mao, Stalin, Napoleon, Ceasar, elected
or self-appointed, doesn't matter so much. What matters is their
disdain for human values and norms, for humanitarian rights, for
individual and collective needs and desires, for human life, for
humanity, for freedom. What also matters is their violent rule at the
point of their gun or their sword. Standing up for yourself or your
friends or fellow countrymen, disobeying or criticising the rulers,
can mean the end of your life or your (relative) freedom. All
dictators have at least this common trait: they don't accept
opposition, contradiction and criticism.

You are one of the tagalongs of one of those dictators, making up
their own rules, laws and orders, their own constitution, their own
policy and their own internal war, (ab)using their 400K size Tatmadaw
occupation army. Like your comrades you are a traitor to the real
patriots, the miserable people in Burma. I support and represent the
views of that majority of Burmese, my sources inside Burma confirm
that. I don't support the West, I don't fawn the US or the UK, I
support the military inferior Burma, the Burmese citizens in their
struggle against the occupation force, against neo-slavery, neo-
colonialism, in their request for help, for interference from the
West. I support the Burmese wanting to negotiate with the West
themselves about lifting economic sanctions and so on, not exclusively
negotiated by the junta if done at all.

Who are you or who is your comrade in combat, S/M, to deny the Burmese
their rights to ask for or demand anything that they want? Who are you
pretending to know what is good for the people? From what authority do
you ignore the objections of the NLD's/opposition's/people's against
the SPDC? Who are you and who is the junta to deny the people their
rights on flourishing progress, exploiting them? Are you the Emperor
of Japan, S/M the Emperor of China and BS/BG the King of Siam? ADA,
anti-democratic attitude? You and your comrade S/M are glorfying a
system too much and the people living under it too less. Both of you
should at least present a balanced view of the positive and negative
sides of your government during the past 20 years, especially the fact
that the junta was/is self-appointed and that the people massively
elected other representatives, who now are largely behind bars or have
died. That would be fair and educative.

Does it occur to you that people may disagree with you, not only in
SCB, but even in Burma? Don't decide for them, let them decide
themselves. About democratic principles, about whether or not to
prosecute the generals, about whether or not to decrease the size of
the Tatmadaw army, about which countries to establish relations with,
about whether or not to split the country up, about whether or not to
revise the constitution and so on. I think you don't have the right to
deny that freedom of self-determination to anyone. The difference
between you and me seems to be that you always say "it must go this
way" while I don't say "it must go the other way" as you claim, but
"nothing is a must, people can decide themselves" instead.

Don't come with personal threats like "but all know how to take care
of destructive elements and their handlers" or "spare room in ASSK's
coffin" (by BS/BG) and the like. I neither appreciate reverse threads
like "swinging with the generals" (by GO, NS and similar ones). I want
no threats, no violence, no force at all, not to each other in SCB,
not to the people in Burma. I want the relief of those undesired
issues for the Burmese people, for you and me, for everyone. I only
want justice, reformed, impartial justice in Burma. I merely want the
immediate release of all (2300) political, conscientious prisoners. I
just want the responsible generals to justify and possibly pay for
their humanitarian crimes in a court of law, e.g. the ICC.

Together with all of the Burmese people I want real peace and
democracy for Burma the way the people want it, without obstruction
from any dictators or you. Don't sabotage that. Choose the side of the
people and don't command them, but follow them, listen to them and
join them. Make peace, not war. Fight for peace and justice, freedom
and democracy. Help the meek and weak, stand up for the hunted.
Promote equality, pursue righteousness. Improve the quality of life,
influence and persuade the responsible (political) leaders. Serve
yourself and your fellow humans, change the future today, in the
interest of the Burmese people and their country. Progress will result
from the right mentality and behaviour.

According to S/M Buddhism says that every individual is responsible
for his own actions, not for those of others. Christianity says the
same, when judged by God everyone only bears responsibility for
himself and no one bears responsibility for you, whether or not your
responsibility, thoughts, intentions and deeds extend towards the
well-being of other people and independent of your individual
capabilities and means. The parable if the talents in the Bible is a
good illustration of that. (Yet in the Christian faith doing good
deeds is an important virtue and stimulated, but they don't count to
be saved. The only thing that counts is men's individual acceptance of
God's mercy and sacrifice.) One doesn't need to be ashamed of doing
good to others from conviction; during our life here "what you sow is
what you reap" applies to both good and bad deeds. Loving and caring
for your fellow people is as important as loving and caring for
yourself.

BS/BG, my stimulating, provocative and possibly irritating quote below
sadly is still very much applicable and true. Well, irritating quotes
may even be intended to be irritating; they are at least stimulating
and provocative and will be memorised best. The junta knows that too
and publishes its quotes or slogans in its daily newspaper the New
Light of Myanmar (NLM) for days, weeks, months, years and decenniums
already. So, it still can take a while......................

Regards,
JRB

James Russell Brownwood
James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com
Justice Reforms Burma
http://jrburma.int.tf (@NLM archives, PGP public key)

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On Nov 9, 8:40 pm, flyingdragon <flyingdrag...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dose demo lies better? Does demo lies kill more? What a sick mad
dog . . you were!

You have no capacity to see, just being mad about mrs aris.
What a sick mad dog . . you were!

What a sickening funniest terminology, I believe.

Just another weird terminology, an animated sound of a brainwash who
was watching too much fox, bbc, cnn, etc etc I believe.
Thousands of pro-democratic attitude Americans ‘cheated’ and
‘suffered’ now by democratically elected dubya.
When pro-demo-craptic (democratic?) attitude Myanmars are cheated,
Myanmar to be many broken pieces. We have no second chance.
Did you really think that pro-democratic attitude is better??? Do you
still belive in democratic fraud, and being a fraud activist yourself.
Anti-democratic attitude or pro, it doesn’t make me sense et al.
For YOU, a perfect example of a brainwash who’s eating demo-craptic
fries more than you can digest and being surrendered your way of
independent thinking. Were your parents initiate watching main stream
media as young as you were 5, 6 years old? and still watching all
time? Get time off, it’s rather my kind advice!
Dubya – call him pro-democratic attitude
Saddam – call him anti-democratic attitude
Who killed more innocents? Is that pro-democratic attitude better?
Under the mask of your fake activist life, knu’s killings and kokant’s
killing innocents were better for you than greens?

You’ve chosen to be fake human right activist, right? You were!

Can't see reality?

What a sick mad dog . . you were!

What a fcukin brainwash!

Hi BS/BG,

You still don't listen, do you? You are assuming things without any
justification. First of all leaving out the unfounded and personally
discrediting qualifications there is not much left of your posting.
What's left is for the largest part some number of allegations without
any attempted substantiation, like those of people shouting with long
subjects and even longer names in many newsgroup at a time. Only a one
or two really relevant remarks remain, which even are incorrect.

1. I don't recall having ever said to support or deny Bush's policies
or to be American or not. Yet you attack my views by assuming that I
support all kinds of alleged atrocities committed by the US, while
condemning those of Myanmar. You even seem to hold me responsible for
supporting for example the Iraq war. Finally you suggest me to keep my
mouth shut about Burma while assenting to the US policy or to clean
the own house firstly.

Well, this attitude and assumption of yours is entirely undue, my
private attitudes and opinions are not in any way related to any
country as my disclaimer clearly states. I never have fed such
assumptions, you are just making them up, you don't know anything
about my views on US policy. I only express my own, independent
opinions about the human rights violations in Burma and that's it. I
don't compare them to those of the US, China or North Korea if
comparable at all, I judge them in the absolute sense as indecent and
evil.

2. You justify the crimes committed by the government and the army in
Burma by saying that such crimes occur everywhere in the world,
committed by many countries, including the US. So, from the standpoint
of equally balanced injustice, you suggest to let continue the crimes
in Burma, they are part of normal life and victims are everywhere,
don't make a fuzz.

Well, that is inhumane of course, accepting all human rights
violations as normal, not fighting any violation. I would say, if you
were really concerned about the Burmese people you would not maintain
that. But you actually don't care for the people, only for a Myanmar
system with eternal, physical power to the military, hoping you can
someway profit from that power too.

You said I would support "break-away armed insurgents[...] to make
myanmar a war torn country". Nonsense, that's being supported and
realised by the dictatorial government and the insurgent Tatmadaw
already. You said "Myanmar needs her identity as one country forever,
soveriengity, more importantly it needs those patriots who support
these life and death issue of national security - period!".

You are thinking in systems, ideologies and obedience too much, in
people, freedom and diversity too less. Burma, or rather the Burmese
people, need freedom of expression in the first place without being
imprisoned for the rest of their life. They need to decide about their
own future in a democracy without military politicians, living and
governing together. They don't need a rigged referendum to spoil their
future.

You don't know about democracy, what it means. Are you living in a
democracy? What example do you have? Tell me, is a fixed and
unconditional percentage of 25% military presence in the elected
government usual in democratic countries? Does rigging contribute to
becoming a democracy or is it actually intended to avoid a real
democracy? Does a democracy have political prisoners?

You still don't know what discussing really is. If you knew you would
engage me disputing my accusations of crimes of the junta that I many
times challenged you to , instead of fixating to ASSK's potential
presidency. Yet you have nothing else to discuss, because it actually
is like I said or there's nothing to gain for you.

You are not looking with your eyes, but with junta controlled cameras.
You are not listening with your ears, but with your mouth. You are not
thinking with your brains, but with the weapons in your hands.

I am challenging, stimulating and stirring you up to come out of your
ivory tower and to face me in a verbal duel about (y)our views on
Burma if you dare.

Regards,
JRB

James Russell Brownwood
James.Russell.Brownw...@Gmail.com
Justice Reforms Burma
http://jrburma.int.tf (@NLM archives, PGP public key)

Disclaimer: these views are entirely my own and unrelated to my
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independent of and not contrary to my views on other similar events
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Your explaination was rather pathetic, let alone saying ‘not enough’

Trying hard but You failed to save all, so sad euh!

You failed to save -  your profile of fcukin fake human rights
activist
You failed to save – fcukin mad-dog-hood
You failed to save – your fcukin cunning genocide planner to make a
war torn country
You failed to save – your profile of a fcukin rosy dreamer
You failed to save – fcukin madness about forgotten sukyi’s presidency
in 1990
You failed to save – fuckin moral authority of yours as second chance
– no guts to offer ‘apology’
You failed to save – your fuckin profile of hypocrite

Many people here did not know how to title you up, simply because you
got several different fcukin personalities

However, I got one title most suitable for you to cover for all these
fcukin personalities, that is

MATHAFCUKER – JAMES - MATHAFCUKER

James, a mathafcuker who’s fuckin own mum: every single coffee stuff
is equivalent to one fcuk that will also be credited to his mum
account, still counting . . . . .

MATHAFCUKER

You don't have to listen to me, you have your fcukin freedom of
selling your fcukin lies - MATHAFCUKER

Hiding a criminal, pussyfootingly = offering hospitality to a stranger
(Coffee)