I am about to buy a house in Scotland and wish to act in person. I understand the solicitors' near monopoly hasn't been broken, as it was in England in the 1970s, so there aren't any books on DIY conveyancing.
So please could someone tell me the books used by solicitors. Many thanks!
No loan is involved.
If these books don't contain the standard forms, where do I obtain them? I.e. somewhere similar to Oyez in London, who sell the forms in England for a pound or two each.
Is Butterworth's 'Handbook of Conveyancing Practice in Scotland' the main one, or is there something better?
Would be very grateful for advice that's bang up-to-date.
John Nagelson wrote: > I am about to buy a house in Scotland and wish to act in person. I > understand the solicitors' near monopoly hasn't been broken, as it was > in England in the 1970s, so there aren't any books on DIY > conveyancing.
> So please could someone tell me the books used by solicitors. Many > thanks!
> No loan is involved.
> If these books don't contain the standard forms, where do I obtain > them? I.e. somewhere similar to Oyez in London, who sell the forms in > England for a pound or two each.
> Is Butterworth's 'Handbook of Conveyancing Practice in Scotland' the > main one, or is there something better?
> Would be very grateful for advice that's bang up-to-date.
Don't get the work done by someone that you can't sue when it goes tits-up.
> John Nagelson wrote: > > I am about to buy a house in Scotland and wish to act in person. I > > understand the solicitors' near monopoly hasn't been broken, as it was > > in England in the 1970s, so there aren't any books on DIY > > conveyancing.
> > So please could someone tell me the books used by solicitors. Many > > thanks!
> > No loan is involved.
> > If these books don't contain the standard forms, where do I obtain > > them? I.e. somewhere similar to Oyez in London, who sell the forms in > > England for a pound or two each.
> > Is Butterworth's 'Handbook of Conveyancing Practice in Scotland' the > > main one, or is there something better?
> > Would be very grateful for advice that's bang up-to-date.
> Don't get the work done by someone that you can't sue when it goes tits-up.
Did you think I hadn't thought of that? Do you mix with a lot of idiots or something? :-) John
Discussion subject changed to "DIY conveyancing in Scotland -what book do solicitors use?...its called *Fairy tales* by Noel O'Gara" by frediesm...@googlemail.com
> On Nov 3, 6:24 pm, Charles Ellson <char...@ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > John Nagelson wrote: > > > I am about to buy a house in Scotland and wish to act in person. I > > > understand the solicitors' near monopoly hasn't been broken, as it was > > > in England in the 1970s, so there aren't any books on DIY > > > conveyancing.
> > > So please could someone tell me the books used by solicitors. Many > > > thanks!
> > > No loan is involved.
> > > If these books don't contain the standard forms, where do I obtain > > > them? I.e. somewhere similar to Oyez in London, who sell the forms in > > > England for a pound or two each.
> > > Is Butterworth's 'Handbook of Conveyancing Practice in Scotland' the > > > main one, or is there something better?
> > > Would be very grateful for advice that's bang up-to-date.
> > Don't get the work done by someone that you can't sue when it goes tits-up.
> Did you think I hadn't thought of that? > Do you mix with a lot of idiots or something? > :-)
You should google for it...and read every page before making any comment
John Nagelson wrote: > On Nov 3, 6:24 pm, Charles Ellson <char...@ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> John Nagelson wrote: >>> I am about to buy a house in Scotland and wish to act in person. I >>> understand the solicitors' near monopoly hasn't been broken, as it was >>> in England in the 1970s, so there aren't any books on DIY >>> conveyancing. >>> So please could someone tell me the books used by solicitors. Many >>> thanks! >>> No loan is involved. >>> If these books don't contain the standard forms, where do I obtain >>> them? I.e. somewhere similar to Oyez in London, who sell the forms in >>> England for a pound or two each. >>> Is Butterworth's 'Handbook of Conveyancing Practice in Scotland' the >>> main one, or is there something better? >>> Would be very grateful for advice that's bang up-to-date. >> Don't get the work done by someone that you can't sue when it goes tits-up.
> Did you think I hadn't thought of that?
> Yes, but don't forget you can't sue yourself. One of the things in favour of getting someone else to worry about all the niggling little things associated with conveyancing is that there is an element of "insurance" if things go wrong. There is also less chance of them missing something obvious that a layman might miss with serious consequences.
A wander around http://www.ros.gov.uk/ [Registers of Scotland] might give you some information about the paperwork involved but there doesn't seem to be any information specifically addressed to DIY conveyancing.
> Do you mix with a lot of idiots or something? > :-)
frediesm...@googlemail.com wrote: > You should google for it...and read every page before making any comment
I do feel I'm going to lash out, the next time some character who's been on the internet for a few years and thinks they're Linus or Bill advises me to 'google' for something. Did you think I wasn't aware of meta search engines? And why would I want to "read every word" e.g. about registering previously unregistered properties, or joint purchase, or other matters completely irrelevant to my intended actions? Your best advice, by the way, would be to shut up unless you've got something useful to say!
On Nov 4, 12:50 am, Charles Ellson <char...@ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> John Nagelson wrote: > > On Nov 3, 6:24 pm, Charles Ellson <char...@ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> John Nagelson wrote: > >> Don't get the work done by someone that you can't sue when it goes tits-up.
> > Did you think I hadn't thought of that? > Yes,
Well I had. I realise that doing conveyancing requires considerably more care than e.g. filling in a betting slip down the dogs.
> but don't forget you can't sue yourself. One of the things in > favour of getting someone else to worry about all the niggling little > things associated with conveyancing is that there is an element of > "insurance" if things go wrong.
This is true. But it isn't difficult, and in most cases is thoroughly routine, which is why it's done by the kid in the office. Unless it does become excessively difficult, of course, in which case one can always hire someone.
>There is also less chance of them > missing something obvious that a layman might miss with serious > consequences.
In the normal course of property transactions handled by solicitors on both sides, frequent numbers of errors are made, but the clients don't get to hear about any of it, and the solicitors gloss it all over between themselves, because at the end of the day they want their money.
> A wander aroundhttp://www.ros.gov.uk/[Registers of Scotland] might > give you some information about the paperwork involved but there > doesn't seem to be any information specifically addressed to DIY > conveyancing.
Thanks. The Scottish govt websites on such matters tend to be very unhelpful. I have ordered the Butterworths book - they are a big legal publisher, and I'm sure they only do one book on the subject and that it will be reasonably comprehensive and certainly up-to-date. (I once read an older law book on Scottish conveyancing law and the one really hilarious statement that sticks in the memory is that at such-and-such a stage the author advised solicitors to make sure they used a first- class stamp, because there's no point in spoiling the ship for a ha'penceworth of tar. Quite a "you couldn't make it up" type of moment! Maybe any Scottish solicitors reading this might be able to recognise themselves?
Then there was the time I requested some very straightforward information about a property from a Scottish solicitor, and she sent it to me by second-class post. It took several days, by which time the owner had decided to accept an offer from someone else, which was considerably lower than what I would have been willing to pay. I had a word with the solicitor's secretary on the phone, and pointed out how much she had lost her client. Explaining their policy of using second- class stamps, she explained sagely that "it all mounts up". Her client could have made £15000 more if the solicitor had forked out a few extra pence, but of course the client didn't know anything about any of this.
Twice in the past I've used Scottish solicitors to do conveyancing for me. Both times, I ensured that they quoted me for their services in writing before I hired them. (I know what they're like). And both times they tried to charge me 0.5% more than they quoted, representing an overcharge of over £1000 on both occasions. Immediately I wrote to them telling them of their "error", and referring to their letters, they coughed up cheques in return. Most of them are as bent as arseholes and like nothing more than to swindle old dears out of their money. Just like in England of course!
In message <3ed8a001-4aa4-4dff-a1b8-fa7bec7a6...@f37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, at 11:28:46 on Fri, 7 Nov 2008, John Nagelson <johnnagel...@yahoo.co.uk> wibbled [..]
>Twice in the past I've used Scottish solicitors to do conveyancing for >me. Both times, I ensured that they quoted me for their services in >writing before I hired them. (I know what they're like). And both >times they tried to charge me 0.5% more than they quoted, representing >an overcharge of over £1000 on both occasions.
You're buying properties where the solicitors costs alone were more than a fifth of a million quid twice in the past and now you want to DIY???
On Nov 10, 6:07 pm, Pedt <"\"@ @\""@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk> wrote:
> In message > <3ed8a001-4aa4-4dff-a1b8-fa7bec7a6...@f37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, at > 11:28:46 on Fri, 7 Nov 2008, John Nagelson <johnnagel...@yahoo.co.uk> > wibbled > [..]
> >Twice in the past I've used Scottish solicitors to doconveyancingfor > >me. Both times, I ensured that they quoted me for their services in > >writing before I hired them. (I know what they're like). And both > >times they tried to charge me 0.5% more than they quoted, representing > >an overcharge of over £1000 on both occasions.
> You're buying properties where the solicitors costs alone were more than > a fifth of a million quid twice in the past and now you want to DIY???
0.5% more of what they raked a percentage off of, i.e. of the sale price. It was the sale prices that were about a fifth of a million quid.
I can imagine you scratching your head when you typed those ?s :-)
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