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BURT  
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 More options 3 Nov, 22:55
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:55:48 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues 3 Nov 2009 22:55
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 3, 11:19 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

> Sam Wormley wrote:
> > Inertial wrote:

> >> Who is Mike Varney, and why is Porat so obsessed with him that he
> >> keeps hoping this Varney person has returned?  Were they lovers?

> >   Mike is a PhD physicist that doesn't suffer fools gladly.
> >   It is a lot of fun when Mike pops in to visit the newsgroup
> >   now and then!

>    Maybe, just maybe, Mike is here now!

Black holes don't happen in the aether. We are seeing the extreme but
not them at all.

Mitch Raemsch


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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:01:17 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed 4 Nov 2009 00:01
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 3, 12:22 am, "Y.y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:

electrons do circle in the round atomic shells. But not all of the
time. Only durring magnetic alighnment.

Brownian motions of electrons in the shells is what they return to.
Momentum as they collide in the shell.

Mitch Raemsch


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From: "Y.y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:45:06 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri 6 Nov 2009 07:45
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 3, 8:27 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

--------------------
Hi orchestra conductor miserable parrot:

TELL ME WHO ARE YOUR HEROES
AND I WILL TELL YOU **WHO ARE YOU !!**
btw
you have some greetings from your
Higgs Bosons

Y.P
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From: "Y.y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:50:13 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri 6 Nov 2009 07:50
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 3, 9:19 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

> Sam Wormley wrote:
> > Inertial wrote:

> >> Who is Mike Varney, and why is Porat so obsessed with him that he
> >> keeps hoping this Varney person has returned?  Were they lovers?

> >   Mike is a PhD physicist that doesn't suffer fools gladly.
> >   It is a lot of fun when Mike pops in to visit the newsgroup
> >   now and then!

>    Maybe, just maybe, Mike is here now!

----------------
and his   new   name is
Alpha
9though he is not intelligent enough to know
what is the origin of that name he chose for himself
that fucken PHd of yours
never talks physics !! only personal abuse
2
he as well as you
has some greetings from your
Higges Bosons
and you dont deserve more than that !!
Y.P
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From: Aleph <Usenet....@gishpuppy.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:55:13 +0000
Local: Sun 8 Nov 2009 15:55
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Friday 06 November 2009 07:45, in <27ad32de-9590-43da-
bc15-19e83c1f6...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Y.y.Porat sat down and
wrote:

> Hi orchestra conductor miserable parrot:

> TELL ME WHO ARE YOUR HEROES
> AND I WILL TELL YOU **WHO ARE YOU !!**

They certainly dont include you.

> btw
> you have some greetings from your
> Higgs Bosons

Wow, was this an attempt at a joke? Bravo.

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 More options 8 Nov, 15:57
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From: Aleph <Usenet....@gishpuppy.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:57:50 +0000
Local: Sun 8 Nov 2009 15:57
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Friday 06 November 2009 07:50, in <8de65ecb-8b62-4876-
a1b9-04f1838c7...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>, Y.y.Porat sat down and
wrote:

You are quite wrong. Even if you are accusing me (Aleph) of being this Mike
Varney person.

Having said that, you are wrong so often I suspect you are no longer capable
of telling.

> 9though he is not intelligent enough to know
> what is the origin of that name he chose for himself

Ah, I fully know the origin of the name *I* chose for myself and the reason
*I* chose it.

The fact it has no meaning to you, and I have no intention of telling you my
reason, is irrelevant.

> that fucken PHd of yours
> never talks physics !! only personal abuse

*yawn*

> 2
> he as well as you
> has some greetings from your
> Higges Bosons
> and you dont deserve more than that !!

Yeah, Happy Easter right back at you.

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Aleph

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 More options 8 Nov, 22:10
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:10:10 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun 8 Nov 2009 22:10
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 1, 12:45 pm, Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...@gmail.com> wrote:

GR violates SR in the case of black holes. The extreme of theory
reveals the contradiction between the two.

Mitch Raemsch


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 More options 9 Nov, 02:23
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From: Nunemica <tinabarbarar...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:23:38 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 02:23
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Oct 30, 6:26 pm, Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A year or two later, it was Hilbert who realized that there are indeed
> an infinite solutions to the field equations and presented the
> Schwarzschild metric which predicts black holes.  Realizing the whole
> thing was total crap, he walked away and allowed Einstein the nitwit,
> the plagiarist, and the liar to claim full credit.  Needless to say
> that Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar had absolutely
> nothing to do with the nonsense of GR from the very beginning to the
> very end.  

Have you read any of Stephen Crothers papers on Einstein, GR, Black
Holes and the Schwarzschild space-time metric

http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/papers.html

The site is really worth looking at.


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 More options 9 Nov, 02:53
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From: BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:53:49 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 02:53
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 8, 6:23 pm, Nunemica <tinabarbarar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Pound Rebka revealed gravities effect on the energy of light. At the
surface of a black hole light becomes infinitely energetic. This is
taking Pound Rebka with GR to their extremes.

Mitch Raemsch


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Discussion subject changed to "I think Aleph is either Art Deco or T. Wake... maybe both." by _...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
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 More options 9 Nov, 03:35
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From: _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 03:35:06 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 03:35
Subject: I think Aleph is either Art Deco or T. Wake... maybe both.

I think you (Aleph) are either Art Deco or T. Wake... maybe both.


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 More options 9 Nov, 03:59
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From: jdawe <mrjd...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:59:20 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 03:59
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 9, 12:53 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Black holes are created when there is more energy\matter 'In Motion'
than there is energy\matter 'At Rest'.

In our solar system:

There is more energy\matter 'At Rest' ( the sun ) than there is energy
\matter 'In Motion' ( the planets ).

So negative gravity is at its greatest. Therefore the planets will be
inverted into matter before the star gets inverted into energy.

In a galaxy:

There is more energy\matter 'In Motion' ( the planetary systems ) than
there is energy\matter 'At Rest' ( the galactic centre ).

So positive gravity is at its greatest. Therefore the galactic centre
will be inverted into energy before the planetary systems get inverted
into matter.

Because the positive gravity of all the planetary systems 'In Motion'
on the galactic centre is so great any energy\matter in the galactic
centre gets inverted almost instantly into energy. Giving the false
image of a 'black hole'.

-Josh.


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 More options 9 Nov, 04:22
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From: Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:22:36 +0000
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 04:22
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes

Nunemica wrote:
> Have you read any of Stephen Crothers papers on Einstein, GR, Black
> Holes and the Schwarzschild space-time metric
> http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/papers.html

Hmmm. I just looked at the opening paragraphs of "24. Fundamental Errors
in the General Theory of Relativity". It first four paragraphs are full
of polemic and contain numerous errors of fact. The author's approach
seems to be to take a few incorrect statements by non-experts and
consider them to be somehow representative of GR.

> The site is really worth looking at.

Not really.

Tom Roberts


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 More options 9 Nov, 04:44
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From: Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:44:19 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 04:44
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
Hmmm...  Mr. Crother has discovered another solution that is also
static, spherically symmetric, and asymptotically flat other than
Schwarzschild's original metric and the Schwarzschild metric.  It does
not make Mr. Crother's solution more correct than either
Schwarzschild's original solution or the Schwarzschild metric, and
vice versa.  <shrug>

You can always find a solution to the field equations to describe your
observations whatever, whenever, and wherever they were, are, and will
be.  Some nitwits would call the field equations the best human
discovery since sliced cheese.  True scholars of physics would call
that super abstract concept visually and vividly illustrated by the
following pictorial representation.  <shrug>

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3362/3196671424_70f7766063.jpg


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 More options 9 Nov, 04:54
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From: eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:54:26 -0800
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 04:54
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes

As a comedy, yeah. Roy Kerr's response to chucklefuck's insane rants were
the absolute best parts.

As a serious resource? Are you fucking kidding?


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 More options 9 Nov, 04:55
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From: eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:55:05 -0800
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 04:55
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes

Tom Roberts wrote:

[...]

>> The site is really worth looking at.

> Not really.

Read the correspondence between him and Roy Kerr.


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 More options 9 Nov, 04:56
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From: eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:56:40 -0800
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 04:56
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes

That's a long way of explaining that you do not understand covariance.

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From: Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:01:08 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 05:01
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 8, 7:59 pm, jdawe <mrjd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Black holes are created when there is more energy\matter 'In Motion'
> than there is energy\matter 'At Rest'.

According to one of the infinite numbers of solutions to the field
equations known as the Schwarzschild metric, a black hole can only
exit in any observer's infinite future.

For years, self-styled physicists have been taunting how an object
falling into a black hole would do so its finite lifetime.  Yet, there
is no such mathematics to support so.  GR is a mathematical model
describing the observed as a third person.  GR is not a mathematical
model describing a first person account.

Newton was able to write down the law of gravity through observation
of a falling apple under gravitational influence.  Einstein the
nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar failed miserably to describe
gravity by picturing himself as that falling apple.  The field
equations describe the observed.  GR described the observed not the
experienced.

> In our solar system:

> There is more energy\matter 'At Rest' ( the sun ) than there is energy
> \matter 'In Motion' ( the planets ).

<shrug>

> So negative gravity is at its greatest. Therefore the planets will be
> inverted into matter before the star gets inverted into energy.

Energy is an observed phenomenon.  It is observer dependent, and it is
relative.  <shrug>

> In a galaxy:

> There is more energy\matter 'In Motion' ( the planetary systems ) than
> there is energy\matter 'At Rest' ( the galactic centre ).

<shrug>

> So positive gravity is at its greatest. Therefore the galactic centre
> will be inverted into energy before the planetary systems get inverted
> into matter.

It does not compute.  <shrug>

> Because the positive gravity of all the planetary systems 'In Motion'
> on the galactic centre is so great any energy\matter in the galactic
> centre gets inverted almost instantly into energy. Giving the false
> image of a 'black hole'.

It is impossible to see a black hole.  Its existence can only be
inferred through observations.  Interpretations to the observations
depend heavily on the mathematical model employed.  If it is fvcked up
in the first place such as GR, the interpretations can be thoroughly
deceiving.  <shrug>

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From: Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:06:13 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 05:06
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 8, 8:56 pm, eric gisse < wrote:

Hmmm...  That is a very convinving way of introducing yourself as a
college dropout.  <shrug>

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From: Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:11:33 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 05:11
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 8, 8:54 pm, eric gisse wrote:

> Nunemica wrote:
> > Have you read any of Stephen Crothers papers on Einstein, GR, Black
> > Holes and the Schwarzschild space-time metric

> > http://www.sjcrothers.plasmaresources.com/papers.html

> > The site is really worth looking at.

> As a comedy, yeah.

That is totally expected.  A college dropout equates what he is
absolutely incapable of understanding as comical.  <shrug>

> Roy Kerr's response to chucklefuck's insane rants were
> the absolute best parts.

Roy who?  Is that the one who has been spoon-feeding fermented
diarrhea of Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar to
college dropouts?

> As a serious resource? Are you fucking kidding?

It looks like the college dropout is having another hormone imbalance
throwing a fit.  <shrug>

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Discussion subject changed to " I think Aleph is either Art Deco or T. Wake... maybe both." by Inertial
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:15:00 +1100
Subject: Re:  I think Aleph is either Art Deco or T. Wake... maybe both.
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid> wrote in message

news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov8.7.37pm.RH...

> I think you (Aleph) are either Art Deco or T. Wake... maybe both.

Why would it make any difference what name he may or may not have used in
the past?  Was that really worth posting about?

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From: Aleph <Usenet....@gishpuppy.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:42:54 +0000
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 12:42
Subject: Re: I think Aleph is either Art Deco or T. Wake... maybe both.
On Monday 09 November 2009 03:35, in
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov8.7.37pm.RH>, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid sat

down and wrote:

> I think you (Aleph) are either Art Deco or T. Wake... maybe both.

You are wrong. For a change.

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From: Aleph <Usenet....@gishpuppy.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:43:44 +0000
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 12:43
Subject: Re: I think Aleph is either Art Deco or T. Wake... maybe both.
On Monday 09 November 2009 08:15, in
<008153cb$0$26946$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, Inertial sat down and wrote:

> <_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid> wrote in message
> news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov8.7.37pm.RH...

>> I think you (Aleph) are either Art Deco or T. Wake... maybe both.

> Why would it make any difference what name he may or may not have used in
> the past?  Was that really worth posting about?

Jeff (like most k00ks) thinks that a Sockpuppet accusation instantly proves
every crazy idea they have ever said is correct.

As in most things, Jeff is wrong.

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Discussion subject changed to "GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes" by eric gisse
eric gisse  
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 More options 9 Nov, 14:29
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, sci.math
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From: eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:29:17 -0800
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 14:29
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes

*plonk*

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 More options 9 Nov, 19:22
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From: Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:22:57 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 19:22
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 9, 6:29 am, eric gisse wrote:

> Koobee Wublee wrote:
> > That is totally expected.  A college dropout equates what he is
> > absolutely incapable of understanding as comical.  <shrug>

> > It looks like the college dropout is having another hormone imbalance
> > throwing a fit.  <shrug>

> *plonk*

Well, go to hell.

This is indeed good news.  So, I don’t have to worry about the college
dropout’s irrational ranting.

Let’s see if Gisse the college dropout, the troll, and the liar really
keeps his rotten words topped with fermented diarrhea from Einstein
the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar.  In the meantime, there is
one fewer such virulent idiots to deal with.

Ahahaha...


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From: PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:26:44 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon 9 Nov 2009 19:26
Subject: Re: GR -> Schwarzschild Metric -> Black Holes
On Nov 9, 1:22 pm, Koobee Wublee <koobee.wub...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yup. Pretty soon you'll be talking to yourself, which is probably just
fine by you. MPC seems to enjoy that, too. Maybe you two should talk
together.

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