(Prakash) Dear Shankaree! You are right. I understand it is fustrating
to have such conversations going on and I may have irratated people with
my answers to Ambrose as well.

(Ambrose) I had not irritated or frustrated (Amkhan) particularly any
single of your answers. I am a slow and steady fellow. Your irritation
character had continuosly pour out without thinking. Now it helps me to
widen the spider web and helping more people to use their common sense.

(Prakash) I am sorry as such. But as you might have noticed that I am
usually on the quiet side unless someone comes up with theories. Coming
up with theories and phislosphies is fine. Having mutual discussions are
fine. But when it comes to saying one is wrong and imposing their
thoughts on others is just as wrong and I cannot help myself but
interefere.

(Ambrose) You can't help yourself but interfere because you are Muslim
in thoughts but disguised as Hindu. Yes! everyone around you knew that
you are learned person with high knowledge of Hinduism. After noting
your non-stop replies, I knew you are real hypocrate. I don't have to
ask this to my Muniswarer. My common sense will tell me that. You had
wrongly interfered with wrong reason by supporting the Muslim ideology
with Hindus. You can't help yourself because your ern is burning?

(Prakash) I am not saying I am some great saint or something...I am just
pointing out a simple fact that be respectful to others and openly share
information. No one should be forced or criticised for sharing info.
This forum is for that.

(Ambrose) Did I critisize you in first place? Secondly you must be
learned the surrounding rather than a frog living in a well. This
internet forum is a place for spade for a spade.

(Prakash) To be humble and nice with the words and communication to
others. I really dun want to be having a debate with someone when I know
we see things from different angles of the world. It will be useless and
pointless as there is no meeting of the minds.

(Ambrose) First place if you meet the same kind of propaganda Hindus, it
was possible to be nice and humble. If you wanted to see different
angles of the world discussion, you must subscribe to some muslim groups
and must learn how the mind were meeting. Are you afraid to engage
directly with muslims with your dharmic philosophies from Holy books?
Let me give you something which some muslims wrote for your nice words.
I attached here together with email add. Kindly reply him / her
politely. Since you had claimed expertised in Hindu Holy books kindly
debate with them. They need some answers. The below muslim fellows were
irritated when I told them that I never believed any holy books. But
they insist me some answers from holy books which I have no idea. So I
exchanged with harsh words. Now, at least you can help them to
understand hinduism better from refering the scriptures from your Godly
holy books!!!

(Ambrose) Edited Attachment as below:
From:  Shannon Sultan <daysleepernightcree...@yahoo.com>
How is that a Hindu genocide?  If you knew what genocide means, you
would know it would mean the ENTIRE population.  I am speaking of the
Hindu men who are allowed to kill their wives, rape their daugters,
marry their nieces, force their wives to fuck horses and cows, have sex
with cows, and cut off pieces of their wives bodies for any reason.
Yeah, damned good reason for hindu men to be killed off.
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All hindu books are hindu books, no denying it. Then again, pagans are
all going to hell. What would a few days of providing evidence do what
could not be done for the past 2000+ years? Hindus hate god.  Good. Let
the motherfucking, rapist child molestors burn. Good riddance.
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Only child molestors, rapists, and incest lovers are hindus.
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the piss drinking daughter fucking hindus have proven anything except
that Hindus live by their scriptures while denying those very same
scriptures.
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Hindu men need to be taken off of the earth.  Hindus started the world's
problems in the first place. If they had listened to any of the 3 good
books and believed in God, none of the crap you see would be going on.
Terrorism originates in Hinduism, beastiality originates in Hinduism,
incest originates in Hinduism, and oppression of women and those with
dark skin originates in Hinduism.
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you had to go for Hinduism which allows you to rape them even younger.
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Don't you Hindus have schools over there that actually educate and teach
science and logic instead of teaching you to worship dicks?
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From: "F. Riazuddin" <r...@nerdshack.com>
Lot of fanciful imaginations. Will Ambrose provide some proof to support
his alleged Hindu practices, from his scriptures or books. I would also
appreciate if Ambrose can share with us the erotic story of Shiva, how
he disguised himself and raped a saint’s wife, and how the sage
dismembered his phallus and how Shiva’s wife Parvathi collected the
dismembered organ of his husband? Also, how Brahma, the supreme God gets
turned on by looking at the thighs of his daughter and rapes her! Hope
Ambrose will explain us in detail.
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Maybe thats why they worship phalluses and vaginas, monkeys and donkeys,
cows, snakes, rats and an endless list of gods, gods with the small g's.

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Ambrose, you said you are a "converted" Hindu. Please answer me a few
simple questions.
1. Please explain the meaning of a Hindu?
2. Please translate and explain the meaning of "Hinduism" ?
3. Can you say if the word Hindu exists in any of the Hindu sacred
books?
4. Does the word Hindu has any basis, recognition or meaning in Hindu
scriptures/religion?
5. How does one become a Hindu?
6. Does Hinduism allow conversion?
7. If Yes, which caste will you assign the new convert, namely, Brahmin
(higher caste), Shudra (lower caste), etc.
8.  How many gods are there in the Hindu religion? Do you remember their
names and numbers?
Hope those were very simple questions. Looking forward to your answer.
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Ajay, Choose your stand. You say you don't believe in anything other
than vedas and Gita. Now you run to defend Ram and Ramayana! Can you
tell us clealry what your stand is instead of jumping like a monkey from
one tree to another? By your own Ramayana, Ram was a bastard. His
father, King Dasarath was a pimp, who supplied Ram's mother to the
saints to get screwed and conceive. Are you denying this? READ your own
Ramayana with eyes and brain open. You worship a mongrel Ajay. Accept
it.
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Sorry, I have no plans of marrying a dick worshipping, piss drinking,
dung spraying Hindu girl, who, like you, mght have had lot of
pre-marital sex.
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Did you read it in Hindu scriptures? Maybe your scriptures say “drink
too much of piss, cow piss”!
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It is said, that some of those poses are so complex, difficult and
impossible to be performed by two partners WITHOUT ASSISTANCE FROM
OTHERS. That reveals these pervert Hindus' practised group sex and
orgies.
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Hindus screwing an idol of horse!! You Hindus are really crazy, but I am
eager to know how Hindus screw IDOLS! Does that include idols of female
goddesses? !!!
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Panchali is the common wife of the 5 Pandava brothers, shared sexually
by those 5 brothers, either in group sex or one at a time. Shittttt !!!
This whore woman is also a goddess of the Hindus in the endless Hindu
pantheon! Screwing brother's wives !!!How disgusting
Ajay/Ambrose/Mehreen !!Hope you folks don't practice your scriptures !
You know where all that incest come from for these Hindus! Right from
their gods/goddeses and
their scriptures. I haven't seen such a mean, disgusting, lusty and
pornographic religion like Hinduism where the Hindu gods have nothing
else than raping or molesting the wives of other gods and saints! Not
only Ajay, but Ajay's religion too stinks (more than him)!
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Dear Ajay and other Hindus, Read below what YOUR Vedas and Gita teach
YOU about IDOL worship and TELL ME WHY YOU DON'T FOLLOW VEDAS AND GITA !
You LIED you only follow the Vedas and Bhagvad Gita.  Tell me why go
against your scriptures and worship lingams and yonis and bulls and cows
and monkeys and donkeys and snakes and, and, and...everything... READ
AND REFLECT ! You are NOT A HINDU IF YOU GO AGAINST THE VEDAS AND
SCRIPTURES ! READ ON...
***
Hindu Scriptural evidence against making and worshipping idols
Purport from the Bhagavat Gita - As it Is, translated and commented on
by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)
*
Bhagavat Gita 7:19-21: "All those who do idol worship, All those who
worship demigods are
materialistic people."
*
Yajur Veda 32:3: "God is formless and bodiless"
*
Yajur Veda 40:8: "All those who worship the uncreated things, they are
in darkness, and you'll enter more into darkness if you worship the
created things."
*
Rig Veda, Vol.6,45:16: "There is only One God, worship Him." (Note :
This is the central message of the Quran, that there is only ONE God.
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE GOD)
*
Yajur Veda 3:32: " ...Of that God you cannot make any images."
*
Bhagavat Gita 7-22  : Endowed with such a faith, he endevours to worship
a particular demigod and obtains his desires. But in actuality these
benefits are bestowed by Me alone.
*
Purport: The demigods cannot award benedictions to their devotees
without the permission of the Supreme Lord. The less intelligent living
entity does not know this, and therefore he foolishly goes to the
demigods for some benefit. But the pure devotee, when in need of
someting, pray only to the Supreme Lord. A living entity goes to the
demigods usually because he is mad to fulfill his lust [for material
things]. Devotional service to the Supreme Lord and the worship of a
demigod cannot be on the same platform, because worship of a demigod is
material and devotional service to the Supreme Lord is completely
spiritual.
*
Bhagavat Gita 7-23 : Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and
their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods
go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My
supreme planet.
*
Purport: Some commentators on the BG say that one who worships a demigod
can reach the Supreme Lord, but here it is clearly stated that the
worshipers of demigods go to the different planetary systerms where
various demigods are situated, just as a worshiper of the sun achieves
the sun or a worshiper of the demigod of the moon achieves the moon. It
is not that everyone, regardless of whatever demigod is worshipped, will
reach the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is denied here, for it is
clearly stated that the worshipers of demigods go to different planets
in the material world but the devotee of the Supreme Lord goes directly
to the supreme planet of the Personality of Godhead.
*
Bhagavat Gita 7-24: "The ignorant believe that un-manifest Para Brahma
(One God) incarnates or takes manifestations, because they do not
completely understand My highest, immutable, incomparable, and
transcendental existence."
* Rig Veda, Vol.8,1:1: "All Praise are to Him alone"
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How will they ! The Hindu gods are so lusty that they screw anything in
their sight.
The Vedic Ritual of Ashwamedha
The Vedic Ashwamedha sacrifice was, even in the later post-Vedic period,
an act of great pride for Aryan kings. It signified the acceptance of a
king in the circle of greater kings. This ritual involved the sacrifice
of a horse as well as beastiality, and is hence a true depiction of
ancient Hindu Aryan manners. The following    description of the
Asvamedha, [ Bar ] as given in the Shatapatha Brahmana 13.5.2.1-10
(translation from [ Text ]) fully describes the filthy acts that the
Hindu Chief Queen had to perform with the horse - "A cloth, an upper
cloth, and gold is what they spread out for the horse, and on that they
'quiet' him. When the sacrificial animal has been quieted, the (king's)
wives come up with water for washing the feet - four wives and a maiden
as the fifth, and four hundred women attendants. When the water for
washing the feet is ready, they make the chief queen (Mahishi) lie down
next to the horse, and they cover the two of them up with the upper
cloth as they say the verse, 'Let the two of us cover ourselves in the
world of heaven', for the world of heaven is where they 'quiet' the
sacrificial animal. Then they draw out the penis of the horse and place
it in the vagina of the chief queen, while she says, 'May the vigorous
virile male, the layer of seed, lay the seed'; this she says for sexual
intercourse. "While they are lying there, the sacrificer insults the
horse by saying, 'Lift up her thighs and put it in her rectum.' No one
insults the sacrificer back, lest there should be someone to act
as a rival against the sacrificer. "The officiant (Adhvaryu) then
insults the maiden: 'Hey, maiden, hey maiden, the little female bird
....' and she insults him back: 'Hey, officiant, he officiant, that
.little bird..' "And then the overseer (Brahman) insults the chief
queen: 'Hey, chief queen, her chief queen, your mother and father climb
to the top of the tree ...' She has as her attendants a hundred
daughters of the kings; they insult the overseer in return: 'Hey
overseer, her overseer, your mother and your father play in the top of
the tree ...'  "Then the cantor (Udgatri) insults the king's favourite
wife: 'Hey, favourite, hey, favourite, raise her up erect...' She has as
her attendants a hundred royal women; they insult the cantor in turn:
'Hey ,cantor, her, cantor, raise him up erect...'
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Whether drinking urine aborted your foetus or not, IT HAS DEFINITELY
ABORTED YOUR BRAINS FOR SURE. Better start eating shit or as you do, cow
dung. Hindus claims it is very beneficial.
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From:   Ali <pk4...@yahoo.com>
Responding to Ajay's posts is a big waste of time.  His posts have no
sense, no logic, no background and no value, his posts are full of shit.
He is just here to disrespect our religion and our Prophet (pbuh) and
trying to provoke us and to market
his monkey faced stone gods and sexy naked godesses.  The best reply to
his posts is "No reply" btw, I am convinced that hindu surgeons invented
the "boob job" for sure. Look at the boobs of their stone godesses and
you will know what I mean  ;-)
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More details at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/in9.html
Ramayana also recounts the "story of King Dasharatha", who in order to
have a baby son, made a big sacrrifice (yaham) of sheep, cattles,
horses, birds and snakes. He then delivered his three wives Kaushaliya,
Sumatirai and Kaikeyi to three priests. These holy men, having fully
satisfied their carnal desire, returned the ladies to the King. By this
means, the king was able to have three sons - Ram, Lakshman and Bharat
(Bala kandam, Chapter 14. For more details on yaham, refer to the book
"Gnana Surian", published by Kudi Arasu Press). The Ramayan tells us
much about the unlawful relationship of incest but we do not feel it
appropriate or decent for us to go into ! details. (Please refer to
Aranya Kandam, Chapter 45, Verses 122, 123, 124 and 125).
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On the contrary, your gods Ram, Lakshman and Bharat were bastards.  Read
this
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/in9.html
Ajay, how does it feel to know that you've been worshipping bastard gods
all your life ?? must be very painfull...  Your religion treats women as
sex objects, like others your hindu history is also full of murders for
power and women but we still respect hindus as human beings because a
large number of hindus have realized that thier religion is useless crap
so they converted which is why you are so scared.
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Hinduism allows to have bastard children and it also allows to have sex
with daughters....  and the people who do all this become gods ?? Are
people supposed to respect this religion... ?? Is it even a religion...
?? who made this religion ... some porn film producer ???
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You can keep on doing whatever you do in your daily life, like drinking
cow urine and eating cow shit or whatever it is you do with your monkey
and pig faced stone gods or sexy big boobs naked Las Vegas style
godesses.
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Muslims only worship Allah. We have no idea who this motherfucker Shiva
Langa is, and we dont want to know either.
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Your posts are usually nonsense useless crap about your useless monkey
and pig faced stone penis gods or yoni pussy godesses.
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sex with horses ??? is this hindu religion really for humans ?  their
gods are mostly animals, they have sex with horses, they drink cow
urine.... its disgusting yet holy for them.
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(Ambrose) Have more to read, if the members wish I can post it. Now the
members have to advise me how I should be nice and humble in writing to
Muslim?

(Prakash) But you are right....this forum is for Muneeswaran and hence
such topics should be about HIM. But I also hope that it is realised
that without realising Hinduism well one would not be able to understand
the concept of Muneeswarn that well. HIS origin is such.

(Ambrose) When you had learned one has to understand Lord Muniswarer
better by knowing the surrounding? Who had quote this before?