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Re: need some ex-(holy|divine) being beside fallen angel

paul-donne...@sbcglobal.net (Paul Donnelly) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:21:49 UT

A "blessed" X, where X is a creature that drank holy water/slept on an
altar, or whatever. Not necessary that these events or locations
actually occur in-game, of course.

Re: Considerations for isnear code

gelatinousmutantcoco...@gmail.com (Gelatinous Mutant Coconut) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:17:09 UT

I feel like the lack of a shared 'obvious' multiplication operator
across use cases is a strong argument in favor of not conflating
positionVector, offsetVector and colorVector as a single 'vector'
type.
Maybe you could have an abstractVector class that implements dot
product, cross product, and component-wise product, and then have the

Re: need some ex-(holy|divine) being beside fallen angel

gelatinousmutantcoco...@gmail.com (Gelatinous Mutant Coconut) — Tue, 11 Nov 2009 23:13:26 UT

"Divine Sparks", fragments of concentrated divine energy that became
entangled with earthly matter at the time of creation. Acts like a gas
spore, but explodes with a blast of holy energy.
"Zealous Missionary", a wandering priest that attempts to smite
undead, purify the wicked and entice good adventurers to join the holy

Re: need some ex-(holy|divine) being beside fallen angel

ger...@indigo.ie (Gerry Quinn) — Tue, 11 Nov 2009 19:34:05 UT

In article <heghqi$6h...@aioe.org>, konstantin.stup...@gmail.com
says...
WHAT??? YOU DARE TO MAKE A HERETICAL ROGUELIKE??? YOU MUST BURN!!!
Seriously, seems fine to me - the theotechnology of your game is up to
you after all. And many games include some evil creatures that can
still use holy magic. (One of the Four Horsemen in WoW for example.)

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Re: Considerations for isnear code

torespondisfut...@hotmail.com (Jeff Lait) — Tue, 11 Nov 2009 17:26:30 UT

Cross product anti-generalizes. If you have (x,y) vectors, it is
really a scalar. If you have triples (x,y,z) you might think you are
happy until you add homogenous cooridinates (x,y,z,w) and decide
foolishly they should also use (x,y,z) cross product.
Component-wise is unsurprising, works with division, and works with

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Re: need some ex-(holy|divine) being beside fallen angel

kon...@gmail.com (konijn_) — Tue, 11 Nov 2009 13:43:32 UT

On Nov 24, 6:59 am, Konstantin Stupnik <konstantin.stup...@gmail.com>
wrote:
* Dante writes of 'old gods' ( egyptian, greek, roman gods ) that
were banished to Hell to make place for the one true God.
So you could use Elder Gods or Fallen Gods in your game, they could be
end bosses.
*You could introduce Zealots, they're always good to unthinkingly

need some ex-(holy|divine) being beside fallen angel

konstantin.stup...@gmail.com (Konstantin Stupnik) — Tue, 11 Nov 2009 11:59:50 UT

subj :)
And is it ok if fallen angel will deal 'divine' damage?
It's not true angel anymore, but still have divine roots, right?
It's not about theology or something.
I have divine damage, which is very effective against undead.
But I think I need some creatures that are inflicting divine damage.

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Re: Getting bored with developing my RL, what to do?

johndoe64...@yahoo.com (keith) — Tue, 11 Nov 2009 09:08:58 UT

Even though it's bad, try to make it multiplayer. If you see some users
using your game, it should motivate to develop it further

Re: Considerations for isnear code

jyn...@gmx.de (Jürgen Lerch) — Tue, 11 Nov 2009 08:35:50 UT

Saluton!
(I find length(c1-c2) more readable, too.)

Uh? Why?
Probably there are occasions in Maths where you use a
component wise multiplication of vectors, but, uh, I
don't remember any. Usually you use multipliation with
a scalar value, the scalar multipliation of vectors,
and the cross product.

Re: XONG 7DRL 1.0 Release for Win, Mac, Linux

freikse...@gmail.com (Freiksenet) — Tue, 11 Nov 2009 08:28:52 UT

It is not yet ready for any kind of production, so I have not released
it yet. I have not worked on yet for several weeks now, and I guess I
will rewrite half of it now :) I will send you a link when it's ready
for public :)

Re: Returned damage.

konstantin.stup...@gmail.com (Konstantin Stupnik) — Tue, 11 Nov 2009 07:11:23 UT

Ray wrote:
From game timer point of view troll died at the same moment he did
the damage. But technically it's split of a second earlier.
No. Players and monsters can deal multiple types of damage
with one blow. Player can wield orb of fire in one hand
and orb of lightning in other and deal both types of damage

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chris.ham...@gmail.com (chris.hamons@gmail.com) — Tue, 11 Nov 2009 01:32:59 UT

I've been working on my own roguelike for about 2 months now, and
since I'm hopefully past vaporware, I figured I'd let the community
know about my efforts. Magecrawl, as it is called, hopes to be a game
that draws much inspiration from games like Crawl.
I currently have the basics like inventory, equipment, spellcasting,

Re: 7DRL: The spirit of fighting

jota...@hotmail.com (Jotaf) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 19:53:05 UT

Good luck! If you get the chance to post some progress here it would
be awesome. But it's understandable if you don't wana waste any time
during this week ;)
Jotaf

Re: Returned damage.

b...@sonic.net (Ray) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 18:05:08 UT

All I can say is that if the troll is alive when it deals the damage,
and your message says a dead troll is dealing the damage, then either
the call that generates that message is being processed at the wrong
instant, or your code is making things (like the troll's death) happen
out of order.
If it's the first, you can move the message-generating call earlier

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Re: Considerations for isnear code

gelatinousmutantcoco...@gmail.com (Gelatinous Mutant Coconut) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 16:19:54 UT

In fact, in roguelikes you probably do want several distinct distance
functions: In addition to the Euclidian metric, it's nice to have the
King's Move metric and the Taxi Cab metric. And whatever movement
penalty metric you use for pathfinding.

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Re: Considerations for isnear code

steph...@planet.nl (Stephan Houben) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 12:01:52 UT

Or a good vector? ;-)
I think you mean "point" here.
For that reason I would slightly prefer d(c1,c2) since it
is somewhat more abstract.
Not every metric space is a normed vector space.
If you arrange your tiles in an arbitrarily connected graph structure
(perhaps in order to produce NonEuclidianGeometryRL),

Re: XONG 7DRL 1.0 Release for Win, Mac, Linux

dto1...@gmail.com (dto1138) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 11:26:11 UT

On Nov 23, 1:07 am, Konstantin Stupnik <konstantin.stup...@gmail.com>
wrote:
The behavior of that enemy (Monitor) has been tweaked a bit in the new
one to make situations like that more solvable. also, there is a new
defensive weapon that you can use against it (freeze puck). However,
these improvements are in XONG 1.2 which is coming out in a few days

Re: XONG 7DRL 1.0 Release for Win, Mac, Linux

dto1...@gmail.com (dto1138) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 11:25:01 UT

Hi Mikhail,
Sounds great! Do you have a link to your project? You should visit
irc.freenode.net#lispgames on irc and join the fun :)

Re: Considerations for isnear code

konstantin.stup...@gmail.com (Konstantin Stupnik) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 10:09:21 UT

while it is possible and will work in my case, I still prefer:
if(c1.distanceTo(c2) <2 )
but I use (c1-c2) too. Mostly like this:
direction=(dst-src).normalize( );
But since integer diagonal distance is definitely <2,
and in some cases by "is near" you mean "immediately adjacent",
I have utility method for objects:

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Re: Considerations for isnear code

pau...@mbnet.fi (Krice) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 09:22:15 UT

If member function notation is something you know then
c1.distance(c2) doesn't look odd. Although I think it
would be better to rename it c1.get_distance_to(c2).

Re: Considerations for isnear code

pl...@mi.fu-berlin.de (David Ploog) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 09:02:49 UT

vs
This is a good point:
d(c1,c2) is the concept of metric (distance between vectors)
l(c1-c2) is the concept of norm (length of difference of vectors)
Both of them are completely conceptual. I only find the notation
(c1-c2).length() to be a bit odd, but that is just a matter of experience,
I guess.

Re: Considerations for isnear code

torespondisfut...@hotmail.com (Jeff Lait) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 08:50:05 UT

Agreed. But...
is a lot easier to translate formulas into.
No, that is not what it does.
"points" and "vectors" are being conflated here (but the above idiom
would have worked even if they were the same)
c1-c2 returns a tuple by doing coordinate wise subtraction. length()
is defined on tuples and does sqrt(x^2+y^2).

Re: Returned damage.

konstantin.stup...@gmail.com (Konstantin Stupnik) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 07:47:11 UT

Ray wrote:
I can't simply remove it. Already dead creature can kill player with
'damage over time' effect.
And message isn't formatted right there.
It looks like this:
el.addEvent(new DealDamageEvent(source,this,di ));
Later on it will call source->getName() and it will return 'dead cave
troll'.

Re: Considerations for isnear code

b...@sonic.net (Ray) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 06:09:52 UT

Um, me too. I almost posted that same opinion yesterday in fact. I
think "distance" is a concept in its own right, and not an aspect
or property of a point. So 'distance(c1, c2)' definitely matches
the way I think of it better than 'c1.distance(c2)' or the overloaded
(c1-c2).length() you've written above.

Re: XONG 7DRL 1.0 Release for Win, Mac, Linux

konstantin.stup...@gmail.com (Konstantin Stupnik) — Mon, 11 Nov 2009 06:07:25 UT

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But I don't know what to do if that proximity thingy
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Can't do a thing about it.
Whenever I try to enter and place arrow - I'm dead.
Visually there is some distance, but it kills me anyway.

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Re: Considerations for isnear code

sameli...@gmail.com (Luchino alias Samel) — Sun, 11 Nov 2009 19:46:28 UT

[Class getDistanceFromPoint:c1 toPoint:c2];
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Re: Considerations for isnear code

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I don't know, maybe I have a strange taste, but the C version looks much
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Re: XONG 7DRL 1.0 Release for Win, Mac, Linux

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Re: Considerations for isnear code

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