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Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-22T04:30:23Z

Saluton!
Yes, setup.exe. ;-]
As you said ,,I hate'': No, they don't. I want things on my
computer, not on some slow server that'll be unreachable when
I want to play.
Also, only those users will want a browser game who are able
to get DSL and/or flatrates.
Ad Astra!
JuL

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-22T01:38:51Z

Ido Yehieli <ido.yehi...@chello.at> wrote in news:4ac5b$4b2f5671$5472863d
$27...@news.chello.at:
I prefer zip files, but I am a power user.
Not all uninstalls do a proper clean-up. Garbage is often left in
the registry. Directories can be left. I've managed to get into
weird "half-uninstalled" situations under previous OSs. I don't

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T21:59:45Z

Good point. I don't think I actually care whether it's an application or
a directory or whatever.
-s

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T21:42:06Z

I don't understand this line of conversation; whether or not the
roguelike's GUI interface is used is completely orthogonal to whether
or not the game is distributed as a folder or executable with no
installer. It isn't any more difficult for a terminal user to 'mv' the
directory or binary than it is for the GUI user to drag the folder or

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T20:24:19Z

surely some people don't like their specific roguelike's gui?

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T19:08:04Z

Personally, I prefer .zip files, but that's because I put all my
roguelikes right on my desktop.

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T19:01:03Z

I never play browser based games.

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Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T17:02:57Z

Exactly. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
sherm--

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T16:02:06Z

In article <hgnlpg$9j...@oravannahka.hels inki.fi>,
timo.piet...@helsinki.fi says...
I install it in C:\Games\RPG. None of this privilege or Program Files
nonsense for me. I edit what I want when I want. (But I take care to
avoid downloading software that does that.)
- Gerry Quinn

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T15:58:45Z

In article <9fdd0ae6-586e-49da-b185-fd6d6 d859f8b@
26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, torespondisfut...@hotmail.com says...
I think roguelike users do, but they are an exception.

Most installers build an uninstaller automatically.
You can come close to that using a standard .exe installer - they can
transparently install it from the web site.

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T15:54:55Z

In article <hgmcv0$5j...@aioe.org>, sreserv...@gmail.com says...
Surely everyone has a GUI OS by now though?
- Gerry Quinn

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T15:54:24Z

In article <81533f69-e34f-4530-aa90-
60505e92a...@m33g2000pri.googl egroups.com>, penderpr...@gmail.com
says...
I agree, a zipped folder is fine for Windows also, and it's trivial for
the user to make a desktop shortcut. I wouldn't do it with most games,
but roguelike players are used to zips and possibly even prefer them.

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T15:48:11Z

In article <1ea2cf48-7df5-4811-9101-
b73f6f910...@b2g2000yqi.google groups.com>, sirl...@gmail.com says...
Non-privileged accounts are an inconvenience to most PC users, so most
don't bother. But anyway, Windows installers generally allow users to
install programs in whichever mode they want. They don't insist on you

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T15:03:18Z

Users prefer a .exe instead of an installer or a .zip. I always hate
adding a whole extra "install" set of screens and stuff to go through.
Not to mention the ambiguity about how to delete it.
That said, what users really want is just to play it in the browser
and avoid the whole download stage entirely.

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Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T11:22:22Z

Usually this is the case, but with roguelikes I'm not so sure.
However for angband msi-installer file would be rather easy to do with
all of its good features.
Only problem is that savefile -directory needs to be accessible to
everyone, which is tiny security problem. Unless of course you separate

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T11:05:20Z

Most != all.
Normally only power users prefer a zip file to an installer on windows.
-Ido.

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T10:33:45Z

I don't expect or want an installer for a roguelike, and
many roguelikes don't use installers. If someone does want
an installer I would suggest to play something else than
roguelikes.

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-21T09:16:41Z

Expectation on the mac are not the same as expectations on windows (or
linux). Windows users for the most part expect to get an executable
file, run it, and have it do all the copying while putting a shortcut in
the start menu or on the desktop.
You can argue whether this is good or bad, but this is what most windows

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-20T23:46:14Z

except, of course, that some people aren't playing gui roguelikes.

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-20T22:16:23Z

On Dec 13, 6:53 pm, Gelatinous Mutant Coconut
Yeah, this was my thought too. With my game Brogue, you just drag it
from the download folder to the Applications folder and play -- and
the first step isn't even necessary. It stores the high scores and
window size data in the user-specific Preferences file per the OS X

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Re: 7DRL idea - puzzle roguelike

2009-12-20T14:02:48Z

Take a look at HYB, my <1kbrl, it has something similar to your gameply,
but without monster (if i remember right)
[link]
Hope it helps & if you have any comment/question, feel free to ask
Bye

Re: 7DRL idea - puzzle roguelike

2009-12-20T13:57:50Z

In article <85cb1$4b2e031a$5472863d$31... @news.chello.at>,
ido.yehi...@chello.at says...
Especially with LOS, if by that you mean to imply FOV! If the player
cannot be expected to work out everything in advance, surely the
winning criterion should be a little less stringent - i.e. the player
can win by playing well though not perfectly?

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Re: 7DRL idea - puzzle roguelike

2009-12-20T10:57:30Z

I hope you are not planning permadeath for such a game... It sounds like
you'd have to die several times every level before learning how to
pass it properly.
-Ido.

Re: 7DRL idea - puzzle roguelike

2009-12-20T09:52:19Z

Sounds to me like a nice addition to another RL. Like a bonus mode if
you feel the original isn't challenging enough.

Re: 7DRL idea - puzzle roguelike

2009-12-20T09:46:40Z

I think that Furai No Shinren I on the Game Boy had something like this.
It was an optional side-game, and each puzzle was designed to teach you
another aspect of the game mechanics -- you had to use it in order to
finish the puzzle. So it worked a little like a tutorial.

7DRL idea - puzzle roguelike

2009-12-20T07:13:59Z

So here's the idea, what do you reckon.
Puzzle game roguelike - You have a fixed number of moves to complete
each (pre-designed) maze. Only just enough to finish the level with
optimal play. If you run out of moves the ceiling falls in. Monsters
move deterministically (in predictable patterns), all monsters hit for

Re: Roguelike Developers, it's time to join the Assemblee!

2009-12-20T04:17:25Z

Cool, but I still think it would look better with pre-rendered
corridor views, composited together! Okay, with a depth of only 1 tile
it's simple to look at the first row of tiles in the player's viewing
direction and choose the appropriate view segments from images like
the ones Oryx provided. But what about when resizing for the next row,

Re: Battlement - a mutltiplayer graphical real-time roguelike

2009-12-20T04:10:51Z

It's pretty cool actually. And FTIW many 7drls aren't really
roguelikes at all :)
(doesn't make them any less appropriate for this group too)
Jotaf

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Re: Sanctuary, a small roguelike for Win/Mac/Linux

2009-12-19T10:03:22Z

I'd like to improve this, yes. Right now the trees and water are
placed using a midpoint displacement algorithm (i.e. "plasma").
However, there is a lot of noise, and also i have to remove many trees
to prevent an annoying maze forest. So it looks a little random.

Re: Sanctuary, a small roguelike for Win/Mac/Linux

2009-12-19T10:01:46Z

Hi Konstantin. Thanks for playing and commenting. Yes the game is slow
on some computers, I am working on optimizing the engine more.
Indeed the water tile situation is a problem, so in the dev version I
changed the image to an intriguing symbol, so that people will want to
click on it :)
It was supposed to represent the river that it goes to, so I drew

Request for votes: 'Ascii Dreams Roguelike of the Year 2009'.

2009-12-19T01:06:58Z

Voting is open for 'Ascii Dreams Roguelike of the Year 2009'.
To vote go to [link]
How did the roguelikes qualify?
The list was taken from the roguelike releases announced on the Rogue
Basin news section between January 1st and December 19th 2009 and from
the list of Actively Developing Roguelikes maintained by Jeff Lait.

Re: holiday 7drl

2009-12-19T00:02:58Z

Officially starting my 7drl. Fri Dec 18 18:59:06 2009 EST.
github repo at [link] , I'm going to try
keeping it up to date throughout the process, though don't expect
anything working until posted here.

Re: filesystem hierarchy standard for game developers

2009-12-18T19:56:01Z

Developers not listening to Microsoft's advice concerning installers
is the main reason why getting people to use non-privileged accounts
in windows has been so hard for Microsoft to do. It is _highly_
suggested that any windows developer do the responsible thing follow
Microsoft's advice, and stop programming like it is still 1995.

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Re: Battlement - a mutltiplayer graphical real-time roguelike

2009-12-18T16:14:27Z

Battlement is based on two games. One of those - Archon - isn't
particularly Rogue-like, but the other - Castle of the Winds (
[link] ) - is a roguelike.
That makes Battlement a relative of the RL genre. Yes, it's very
different, but isn't that what this group is for? If you want the same

Re: [announce] Sanctuary, a small roguelike for Win/Mac/Linux

2009-12-18T12:00:17Z

It's barely playable on my mac mini :(
Very slow.
It took me quite some time and three character to figure out
that water tile is some kind of entrance...
In help it's clearly stated to avoid getting soaked...
The last thing I tried is walking into water tile...
Got killed by skeletons really quickly...

Re: Sanctuary, a small roguelike for Win/Mac/Linux

2009-12-18T11:04:24Z

Didn't try it yet, but from videos I noticed that you have
scatteres terrain features quite randomly. Maybe create more
natural looking terrain areas?

Re: Roguelike Developers, it's time to join the Assemblee!

2009-12-18T00:42:08Z

Gerry Quinn <ger...@indigo.ie> wrote in
I would LOVE a modernized Moraff's World. I wish it was open source. A
few years ago I experimented with a quick & dirty Python/OpenGL mockup of
one:
[link]
Alan

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[announce] Sanctuary, a small roguelike for Win/Mac/Linux

2009-12-17T09:09:12Z

Homepage is at [link]
Feedback and bug reports much appreciated.

Re: Roguelike Developers, it's time to join the Assemblee!

2009-12-17T01:42:02Z

In article <2d72deb3-ca17-4a28-a076-
8fb2aab3d...@m26g2000yqb.googl egroups.com>, jota...@hotmail.com says...
You could even resize them in a graphics utility and include a series
of sets at different distances (no need to be exact about every
possible distance, closest integer distance would do, especially as

Re: Roguelike Developers, it's time to join the Assemblee!

2009-12-17T00:33:14Z

On 16 Dez, 23:38, Numeron <irunsofastineedafinonmyh...@h otmail.com>
wrote:
Nice, I didn't expect a simple 3D render of an existing RL to look so
good, even the tiles that were supposed to convey some sense of depth
work when viewing from the right angle. Anyway, Dungeonmaster-style 3D
doesn't really require the usual 3D machinery (OpenGL, etc), it can be